Heavyweight Boxing

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940646#Comment_117940646

Not at all..

I sensed jest..hence my point about it..

squinn2912

115 to 113 was some card I think that was Howard Foster’s? Going by that it was all to play for going into the 12th. Nonsense.

walshb

I didn’t score rd by rd, but it looked about 9-3 to me for Usyk

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940666#Comment_117940666

Maybe not. Could have been 106-103 after 11

But yes. A big 12th round for a 10-7 could have a draw.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940673#Comment_117940673

I think I had it 8-4 but not sure which rounds.

Joshua round 2 but could have went either way.

He won 2 rounds together.. were they 9 and 10.

And there was one round I gave him in between, can't remember if it was 5,6 or 7.

I'll need to watch it again.

It did enter my head at the end that a robbery might take place so glad justice prevailed.

iebamm2580

https://twitter.com/champfasteddie/status/931360182449426433

If fury had same the same ****, the media and public would have got him cancelled, since it was aj, was swept under the carpet. Plays the nice guy, pretty clear from his words and past, hes not.

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940682#Comment_117940682

Now you’d need your head examined to not be giving Usyk the 12th so it must have been 105-104

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940721#Comment_117940721

Yea round 6 I think he won clearly. I think 8-4 as well and as Eddie himself said 7-5 being very generous.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940751#Comment_117940751

Am I missing something or what?

A bit of shîte talk with some other guy.

Is that it?

Has fury not said worse things and is still here.

Like I said I might be missing something.

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940771#Comment_117940771

Read it, he says superior black race, if fury had said superior white race, what do you reckon the media would do? Same **** when wilder was fighting fury, race brought into and fury quickly shut commentators down. That type of talk has no place anywhere not to mind sports.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940771#Comment_117940771

Fury’s antics on another level to AJ..

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940784#Comment_117940784

What do you think of Joshua's superior black race comment? Fury has said alot of ****, nothing as fucked up as that though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940751#Comment_117940751

A 4 year old Twitter rant? I don't see it as anything to get offended by. The Maud Flanders cancel culture crowd might be up in arms though.

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940826#Comment_117940826

You dont think anything to be offended by a a guy, a supposed role model talking about a superior race?

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940765#Comment_117940765

Hey no need for that!

Leave him alone!

I won't stand for a bad word said about the man! 🤭🤭

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940829#Comment_117940829

If I started getting offended by what boxers say I'd never watch it.

Love watching the sport but the majority of them talk absolute garbage.

Also, role model? I'd hope most kids have better role models than celebrity sports people..

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940845#Comment_117940845

Thats more then garbage, its a messed up mindset, and like it or no, joshua is a huge role model especially to young kids, so his words have more meaning than the ordinary street joe so he should keep divisive crap like that out of his mouth.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940765#Comment_117940765

Correct. Rd 12 was Usyk’s…

I miscalculated my point…the point I was trying to make..

Foster surely had it a 10-9 Usyk rd 12, which meant a 105-104 after 11

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940858#Comment_117940858

He tries to come off smart in interviews and how he studies boxing, last night proved his boxing iq.

walshb

I think last night’s showing from AJ was as much about a lack of effort and desire and commitment as it was about ring IQ. After 4 rds he looked like he wanted to go home. There was just no urgency or fire..he was poking and swiping and pushing shots all night..seemed terrified to give it a proper go..

The Ruiz loss has seemed to pretty much change AJ for the worse!

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940870#Comment_117940870

Dont buy any of that, he looked like he lacked effort as he was a rabbit in headlights and didn't know what to do with a much better boxer, not going to change your opinion so wont argue with over it, i just think you built Joshua up to something he is not and i don't know why as you are one of the most knowledgeable posters on here.

Esse85

AJ is an athlete first, boxer second.

Fury, Ruiz and Usyk are boxers first.

To be at the very top, you have to be a boxer first.

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940844#Comment_117940844

Hahaha brilliant!!!

You were waiting there in the long grass with that one. I stand by what I said though

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940877#Comment_117940877

I never built him up. I was never sold on him as an historic great. Never. Saying he’s a top HW today is not building him up. It’s stating facts. He is.

I have just as much criticised him as praised him, so this vibe that I have him on some pedestal is completely inaccurate. Taking a few posts here and there out of so many, where I praise him is what some are clinging to.

Watch last night again. I don’t think he once even really stepped up off his left lead and unleashed the most basic combination (and one that he is very good at,) the 1-2 power combination. In 12 rds he did not really try this. It was the whole night spent poking and prodding, and the odd swipe here and there.

Anytime in close, instead of trying to use his size to do damage, he froze and hugged. AJ has an ok inside game. Last night it was nowhere to be seen

His overall effort last night was desperate from what my eyes saw.

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940854#Comment_117940854

Hmm this was 4 years ago and it’s questionable whether or not it was actually Joshua who wrote it. I don’t trust screenshots very much.

Elite boxers are rarely squeaky clean angels anyhow

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940897#Comment_117940897

They said his phone was hacked, if you believe e that, bless your naivety. Nobody expects boxers to be squeaky clean but that type of mindset has no place anywhere. Just pointing out if fury had said it, it would have been front page news and he would have to come out with an apology and statement.

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940893#Comment_117940893

He didnt step in as he was unsure, hes not sure of his chin which if fair enough as its glassy, but to blame the loss on lack of desire, im not having it.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940916#Comment_117940916

Unsure, cautious, scared…throw whatever word you like..

The desire and fire were sorely lacking…

You’re the HW champion of the world for chrissske…give it a poxy proper go…

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940930#Comment_117940930

I think saying lacking desire is unfair to usyks performance, showed nice chin to be fair to the smaller man. Also to not tire and being on toes for 12 rounds at 34 is v impressive, joshua looked gassed compared to him and wasn't moving nearly as much.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940854#Comment_117940854

We have different opinions on role models, and also 4 year old tweets to get all upset about.

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940960#Comment_117940960

I said he is a role model to young kids, not that he should be. 4years ago he was what 25/26, not as if he was in his teens so yeah its an abhorrent mindset he has and was delighted he lost for many reasons.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940950#Comment_117940950

You’re choosing to interpret it that way.

Usyk performed very well, and did what he had to do.

AJ performed like a man scared and timid, and no matter what Usyk was doing, it doesn’t change that.

It’s not like Usyk was pummelling him. He wasn’t. AJ simply was content to be very cautious and timid. There was next to no fire there.

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940969#Comment_117940969

He pummeled him in the 12th.

yourdeadwright

Strangely i still think Whyte could do Usyk or at least give it a good go, AJ and his team made a huge error they tried to Box Usyk,

Fury said last week that the way to beat Usyk is to go put it on him and he also said he didn't think AJ had the balls to go do it and he was right

Also id love to hear from Eddie Hesrn on why the bell in the 12th round went 5 seconds early? What the **** was that about

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940969#Comment_117940969

It looked like the Ruiz fight is still in AJ mind,

He looked afraid to get in a fire fight when it was probably his best chance of victory

Stunning from Usyk but AJ weaknesses where very apparent

normanoffside

Howard Foster gave AJ the first round. otherwise the scorecards were fairly similar

Coneygree

Usyk renders guys average when he gets going and is on a good night. Made Gasssiev look like a puppy. Made Joshua look like a scarecrow stuck in porridge. There's levels to Boxing and Usyk showed Joshua that. I won't hear anything about Joshua not showing heart or desire. He actually rallied well after a blistering start from Usyk. He didn't just fold over. There was an argument it was level after 8 rounds. People need to give credit to Usyk for what he has done and get it out of their heads that there's more to Boxing than just taking someone's head off.

If you go back through this forum down the years there were very few if any who would have given Usyk a chance against Joshua. Some who've commented here in this thread who scoffed at those who felt Usyk even had a shot. He's the older man and not in his preferred weight class and he schools the guy with the best names on his resume of current HWs to some the top dog in the division. What he has done it a rare feat, the fact he's done it against Joshua is incredible.

yourdeadwright

Usyk seems to be a bit like Fury as in he does wgat he needs to do to win,

Looked crap in his first two heavy weight fights & still won but then stepped it up big time when he had to,

Delighted with the result even though i thought AJ would win, Usyk always seems like agood bloke and im sick of AJ being so vanilla and boring,

Even last night he couldn't resist with his trying to be wise about the loss, Its a great experience learning on the job....... Bollox you lost your undisputed titles your supposed to be the baddest man on the palent,

On that note anyone see the BT clip of Wilder & Fury sending each other a message, Fury is comedy gold even if he doesn't mean it

https://twitter.com/cjcheesecake/status/1442029004173848580?s=08

iebamm2580

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941363#Comment_117941363

He has a personality and is unfiltered, brilliant, blowing kisses to him before the last fight when cameras came on in the dressing rooms.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941363#Comment_117941363

Each to their own, but effing smash your face in you effing prick…comes across scum talk to me. Far from funny…

Supposed to be mr look after each other and be kind and mind your mental health

not really great messages to be putting out there.

who ya got, btw? Fury favorite, but still very dangerous fight

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941447#Comment_117941447

Hardly any worse than what wilder is saying? And isnt that the name of the game anyway?

You really can't stand Fury at all 😁

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941453#Comment_117941453

I meant to add. Wilder’s a prick as well

iebamm2580

At least you know what you get with fury, not fake and manufactured.

banie01

AJ was totally outboxed last night. It was an object lesson in skills. Usyk was busy, mobile and accurate. AJ's sole advantages were his size and power yet he never let his hands go. Then to top it off from I think the 5th? (Could be the wrong wrong round) but mid fight, Usyk clipped him a good left and it honestly seemed that AJ's heart for the fight left him.

If I was AJ and in his corner, I'd be embarrassed at the performance and effort put in tbh.

Usyk may not have traditional heavyweight power but he is perhaps one of the very best boxers active and he tailors his approach to the opponent.

AJ doesn't seem to have that capability, and his strategy last night compounds my thinking on that.

Unless AJ goes hard and fast I don't ever see him beating Usyk in a fight that goes the distance.

iebamm2580

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOIgoSYYIc0

Wilders girlfriend was enjoying it.

walshb

If AJ has any pride, character, championship class he should be enacting the rematch clause quick fast. If he looks back at the tape, he should feel an embarrassment, and least try to turn it around in the rematch.

He was thoroughly beaten and hurt v Ruiz and he got back in to reverse. That showed character and guts. Btw, not comparing Ruiz to Usyk here.

He needs to show this urgency and desire to try avenge this defeat.

Whether fight fans think he can avenge doesn’t matter. It’s for him to try!

squinn2912

I don’t think Joshua can do very much except to enact the rematch clause. He’s a fool and he’s been given terrible advice the plan was horrendous. They should have been unleashing him last night. I thought the chess was a pile of dung in the buildup but it turns out its for real. Usyk was in his head that much (without really trying) that he took up chess to try to get more intelligent.

It’s like the reverse of the Ruiz fight. In that he couldn’t afford to go toe to toe and if he were to fight Usyk again then I think that’s his only route to victory save a Wilder like worldie. But he won’t throw like wilder with some abandon. He won;t even commit to throwing real combos. This ‘I love a fight’ bs he spouts every day... where was that last night. He mummied around the ring and any time he made inroads he failed to even attempt to build on that.

I think he knew that if he fought at a pace and tried to take a chance he would gas if he failed to ko Usyk. So then he fought Usyk’s fight and guess what’s gonna happen if you let your opponent dictate the terms to you? Rounds 9&10 he looked tired and gave them away, I was waiting on a never give up leave it all in there in the 11th and Usyk brilliantly put it right on him - that’s when I said he’s gonna win this now. It was for me the best moment of the fight when one guy showed the balls to go for it and the other was full of self doubt. Joshua had and has more than enough attributes to have won that fight but he didn;t call on them and his corner were worse than useless.

That’s been working on me all morning, forgive the length of it.

walshb

Fighters and teams always need to try see a silver lining..

Seems AJs is that he was unable to see out of his eye from rd 9 onwards, and Hearn thinks he could have broken eye socket.

At least he didn’t do a BJS on it and give up

Saw foto of AJ earlier and eye looks not that bad at all.

And it seems he is enacting the rematch clause.

iebamm2580

Did any of ye think aj looked too relaxed on his ring walk, stopping to interact with the crowd, all smiles. Complete opposite to usyk.

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941545#Comment_117941545

He said last night he already watched it back and saw the mistakes and then started on about learning on the job

cant wait for the rematch