Heavyweight Boxing

blade1 · 04-12-2019 5:30pm

selectamatic wrote: »

This.

out of all the current HW's AJ has transcended the sport in terms of recognition in the wider population.

Massive social media presence, big sponsorship deals huge fight purses and sold out arenas and stadiums etc.

6000 attended wilder vs brezeale

And wilder ortiz ii didn't sell out.

Wilder needs to flatten Fury before he gets the recognition he deserves imo.

It's kinda puzzling that he isn't bigger at this stage but I feel its down to the extremely slow career progression for his first 30 fights.

An Aj loss this weekend would see things start to fall apart alright but at the minute things are pretty much as they have been.

Carl Froch fought in front of 80'000

robwen · 04-12-2019 5:45pm

https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1201887961740120064?s=19

AJ $85m AR $10m

The Nal · 04-12-2019 5:48pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sounds cliche but one pucnh can change the landscape

Oh no doubt yeah. AJ is talking trilogy assuming hes going to win. But if he doesn't the landscape looks very very different. I really hope he does. Wilder vs Fury in Feb and the winner faces AJ in the summer/early autumn.

blade1 · 04-12-2019 5:54pm

robwen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1201887961740120064?s=19

AJ $85m AR $10m

In terms of ratio that's seems about right.
AJ is still the draw and I'd guess this fight will be watched by a lot more than the first fight.
For the most part people like a comeback story so if AJ does win he'll probably be a bigger star.
Another loss would be detrimental though.

normanoffside · 04-12-2019 6:02pm

The Nal wrote: »

Joshua has become the B Team. Real money is in Wilder, Fury and America.

Amazing a year ago, Hearn was slagging off Wilder and how he only fights in small casinos and that any fight would be on AJs terms etc.

Twat.

Joshua is getting £50m for this fight before PPV
Ruiz is getting £10m

That’s big bucks for the B side

yourdeadwright · 04-12-2019 6:14pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Joshua is getting £50m for this fight before PPV
Ruiz is getting £10m

That’s big bucks for the B side

To be fair the contract for this fight was in the original contract,

So Ruiz had to take the terms to get the first fight,

Ruiz is in a no lose financial situation now , if he wins he can make his own terms going forward but even if he loses, im sure AJ will at some stage want a 3rd fight and not want to leave it 50/50 .

squinn2912 · 04-12-2019 9:07pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Joshua is getting £50m for this fight before PPV
Ruiz is getting £10m

That’s big bucks for the B side

As much as I dislike him AJ is the financial Triple A fighter of the division. The audiences and fees he draws are streets above the rest, possibly combined

murphyebass · 05-12-2019 7:11am

robwen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1201887961740120064?s=19

AJ $85m AR $10m

Considering Ruiz was earning about a fiver a fight up to now I’m sure he’ll take the $10m and run. Happy as Larry I’d say he is. No wonder he smiles so much.

In other news Hunter is favourite in his match with Povetkin. I know Povetkin is getting on but I still see him winning this one. 13/8 though are short odds on him to make any rash betting decisions.

walshb · 05-12-2019 10:53am

The purse disparity is crazy...

Sure, I expected AJ to get more, but an 85 million dollars purse is absurd....

Ruiz getting a career high here, so he has to be somewhat happy, even if the lad he TKO'd in fight 1 absolute dwarfs his pay!

Sebastian Dangerfield · 05-12-2019 11:04am

Despite the speculation about AJ boxing from distance, hes like Amir Khan... First time he gets tagged he'll get drawn into a fight and I think, will get ko'd again

PEACEBROTHER · 05-12-2019 11:17am

murphyebass wrote: »

Considering Ruiz was earning about a fiver a fight up to now I’m sure he’ll take the $10m and run. Happy as Larry I’d say he is. No wonder he smiles so much.

In other news Hunter is favourite in his match with Povetkin. I know Povetkin is getting on but I still see him winning this one. 13/8 though are short odds on him to make any rash betting decisions.

Can hunter take a shot ? Cause povetkin will be looking for The knockout as I’m not sure at his age he go the full distance
Povetkin 5/1 to win via ko / tko - might have small but on that

Scoundrel · 05-12-2019 11:24am

The Nal wrote: »

Joshua has become the B Team. Real money is in Wilder, Fury and America.

Amazing a year ago, Hearn was slagging off Wilder and how he only fights in small casinos and that any fight would be on AJs terms etc.

Twat.

What planet are you on Joshua is the B side??? Wilder Ortiz 2 didn't even sell out ffs You'd get more at a Shamrock Rovers game than was at Wilder Breazeale. Joshua is the biggest draw in boxing at the moment.

squinn2912 · 05-12-2019 2:53pm

PEACEBROTHER wrote: »

Can hunter take a shot ? Cause povetkin will be looking for The knockout as I’m not sure at his age he go the full distance
Povetkin 5/1 to win via ko / tko - might have small but on that

Didn’t he go the full 12 against Hughie? It’s an attractive bet though. I like hunter he’s tidy and throws nice shots. This is a big test.

normanoffside · 05-12-2019 3:57pm

PEACEBROTHER wrote: »

Can hunter take a shot ? Cause povetkin will be looking for The knockout as I’m not sure at his age he go the full distance
Povetkin 5/1 to win via ko / tko - might have small but on that

He was down in the 12th round against Usyk but I think it was more tiredness than anything- Edit, he was actually given a standing 8 but was fairly wobbled.

That said I think Povetkin can hurt him if he catches him clean.

I am surprised to see Hunter a clear favourite, I think it is more of a 50/50 fight with maybe Povetkin a slight favourite.

murphyebass · 05-12-2019 5:53pm

normanoffside wrote: »

He was down in the 12th round against Usyk but I think it was more tiredness than anything- Edit, he was actually given a standing 8 but was fairly wobbled.

That said I think Povetkin can hurt him if he catches him clean.

I am surprised to see Hunter a clear favourite, I think it is more of a 50/50 fight with maybe Povetkin a slight favourite.

I’m gonna back Povetkin ko. He can still hit hard. He’ll want this over I less than 12 I reckon.

blade1 · 05-12-2019 6:25pm

murphyebass wrote: »

I’m gonna back Povetkin ko. He can still hit hard. He’ll want this over I less than 12 I reckon.

I put 20 on it.

PEACEBROTHER · 05-12-2019 7:55pm

Just did Povetkin ko/tko myself for 20e

Love watching povetkin fights he really puts everything into his shots -

SHOVELLER · 06-12-2019 3:29am

Scoundrel wrote: »

What planet are you on Joshua is the B side??? Wilder Ortiz 2 didn't even sell out ffs You'd get more at a Shamrock Rovers game than was at Wilder Breazeale. Joshua is the biggest draw in boxing at the moment.

As a Rovers fan I wish we did get more games but too many at home prefer shouting at a tv in a pub.

13,000 at Wilder v Breazeale for one of the all time best knockouts I have seen live!

Of course Joshua is the biggest draw. Brand Joshua is enormous as every conceivable industry sponsors him. A marketing dream for his humility, look and until recently his belts.

Both Wilder and Fury need Joshua to win Saturday.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 06-12-2019 7:45am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

As a Rovers fan I wish we did get more games but too many at home prefer shouting at a tv in a pub.

13,000 at Wilder v Breazeale for one of the all time best knockouts I have seen live!

Of course Joshua is the biggest draw. Brand Joshua is enormous as every conceivable industry sponsors him. A marketing dream for his humility, look and until recently his belts.

Both Wilder and Fury need Joshua to win Saturday.

Agree with most of the views on AJ. Maybe not globally, but Ruiz v Wilder would still be pretty huge in the states I think.

The Nal · 06-12-2019 10:36am

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Agree with most of the views on AJ. Maybe not globally, but Ruiz v Wilder would still be pretty huge in the states I think.

Doubt it, its on at lunch time tomorrow Pacific time.

Mantis Toboggan · 06-12-2019 11:07am

You'd have to imagine that AJ will have figured out a way to get the win. 8 inch reach advantage. He's got a good jab he just needs to jab and move and not get drawn in. Similar to Fury vs Chisora 2. He's tailored his sparring and knows what to expect so there can be no excuses.

Losing the weight has been a good idea imo as he was so robotic in the first fight. Will that take from his power though? Maybe he's thinking about possibly doing enough to win on points.

yourdeadwright · 06-12-2019 11:23am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

You'd have to imagine that AJ will have figured out a way to get the win. 8 inch reach advantage. He's got a good jab he just needs to jab and move and not get drawn in. Similar to Fury vs Chisora 2. He's tailored his sparring and knows what to expect so there can be no excuses.

Losing the weight has been a good idea imo as he was so robotic in the first fight. Will that take from his power though? Maybe he's thinking about possibly doing enough to win on points.

Is he good enough to change it up so quickly is the question ,

He boxed Parker at range but Parker was afraid to get hit a few rounds in he was content to go the 12 rounds and lose rather than be hit ,

Ruiz won't be he knows its his only chance of wining and he knows he CAN hurt AJ ,

AJ plan will go out the window if he is clipped but he also does have the power to stop Ruiz,

Very very interesting fight,

Also very funny how Ruiz said yesterday he will be slightly heavier this time as he wants more power after all the nonsense fron people saying he looked like he lost weight because of a photo shopped picture ,

The Nal · 06-12-2019 11:35am

Got to be honest I've absolutely no idea how tomorrow will go. Huge test but its HW boxing, one punch. Ill try not to blink

yourdeadwright · 06-12-2019 12:08pm

The Nal wrote: »

Got to be honest I've absolutely no idea how tomorrow will go. Huge test but its HW boxing, one punch. Ill try not to blink

I think everyone is in the same boat, Its such an interesting fight,
Even in the likes of Fury v Wilder we know its Fury on points or Wilder by Ko in this we literally have no idea , So many different things could happen,

walshb · 06-12-2019 12:36pm

Tactics will play a part, but ultimately this type fight boils down to the big question: how will AJ take, react, manage when he gets hit clean? If he can both take a good shot, or manage its effects, then he should win on points or by KO..

I’d be surprised if it goes 12 rds with AJ not getting hit hard and clean...

So, the situation should be there. How he copes is the question..

The Nal · 06-12-2019 12:41pm

walshb wrote: »

Tactics will play a part, but ultimately this type fight boils down to the big question: how will AJ take, react, manage when he gets hit clean? If he can both take a good shot, or manage its effects, then he should win on points or by KO..

I’d be surprised if it goes 12 rds with AJ not getting hit hard and clean...

So, the situation should be there. How he copes is the question..

Yeah. Basically how will his questionable chin hold up

yourdeadwright · 06-12-2019 12:54pm

The Nal wrote: »

Yeah. Basically how will his questionable chin hold up

Strangely enough im not sure if its chin that's the problem , I think its how he reacts to getting , to me he folded last time not as in gave up but lost his cool and panicked ,Maybe the pressure of his first US fight was on him, hence why he was smiling and nodding at the crowd when the ref was counting , Maybe that caused him to feel embarrassed and panicked

You could hear him on the stool in the corner asking McCracken how to stop him , what to do , in a panicked state,
Instead of having confidence he good come through it ,

Lots hate or dislike Karl Froch but when Groves had him in trouble Karl stayed calm and just continued with his game plan and had to sheer will to impose himself , there was no panic,

Cyrus · 06-12-2019 1:03pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Strangely enough im not sure if its chin that's the problem , I think its how he reacts to getting , to me he folded last time not as in gave up but lost his cool and panicked ,Maybe the pressure of his first US fight was on him, hence why he was smiling and nodding at the crowd when the ref was counting , Maybe that caused him to feel embarrassed and panicked

You could hear him on the stool in the corner asking McCracken how to stop him , what to do , in a panicked state,
Instead of having confidence he good come through it ,

Lots hate or dislike Karl Froch but when Groves had him in trouble Karl stayed calm and just continued with his game plan and had to sheer will to impose himself , there was no panic,

AJ does have shades of Bruno when he gets tagged.

squinn2912 · 06-12-2019 1:31pm

Lot of questions posed about how AJ will react to being tagged. He's as prepared for it now as he ever will be. It's important to consider how Ruiz reacts. Last time out he came through at least two huge shots. I don't know if he will do that again. AJ is a huge man with massive reach and power. I think he will keep it long for 3/4 rounds and if he hasn't already then a big hit or two will come in. I think AJ ko in 8 or earlier. I'm so sure of it this time round.

He didn't panic either when he got hit. He didn't expect it and it took away all of his equilibrium. He never regained his senses and that's why he was ragged and wobbly and talking weirdly in the corner. He couldn't snap out of it. I don't think it's a mindset thing. The bruno comparison.. I dunno if that's fair. He was in big trouble against Wlad and didn't wilt. Povetkin too got a few digs in and he grinded it out. I never, ever thought I'd be on here bigging up AJ!

selectamatic · 06-12-2019 1:40pm

Good points on the wlad and povetkin fights. I'd add the whyte fight to the mix too.

It all boils down to mindset.

Whyte tagged him with a peach of a shot but Aj regrouped and then had the look of a killer about him. He genuinely enjoyed hurting whyte and slowly breaking him down he needs some of this mindset again on Saturday.

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