Heavyweight Boxing

StringerBell

I would have said Haye in the original fight, and I'll be saying Haye for this one too. Bellew had enough trouble getting him out of there on one leg last time, barring injury I can't see him winning.

walshb

If Haye/Bellew goes the distance and both are injury free it will be a toss up. Neither is great or close to it as regards boxing. There won’t be a clean/clear and decisive points victor..

normanoffside

Wilder now saying he has just offered AJ $50m to fight him.....

Edit, minimum $50m.....http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40019962-4

Morrison J

I'll delete my account if it happens next. Neither side wants it yet. All PR.

AJ v Miller
Wilder v Breazeale

Be absolutely stunned if it's anything other than those two fights next.

yourdeadwright

Morrison J wrote: »

I'll delete my account if it happens next. Neither side wants it yet. All PR.

AJ v Miller
Wilder v Breazeale

Be absolutely stunned if it's anything other than those two fights next.

I seen an interview with Hearn that  Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

Larsso30

Wilder offer is complete embarrassmednt. he the fighter emailed that offer to hearn, no details and no contract.

jesus christ

dinorebel

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen an interview with Hearn that Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

It makes sense for AJ to fight Miller next as long as it's in the US that way his profile will increase making the Wilder fight more likely at the end of this year.

yourdeadwright

dinorebel wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen an interview with Hearn that  Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

It makes sense for AJ to fight Miller next as long as it's in the US that way his profile will increase making the Wilder fight more likely at the end of this year.

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

normanoffside

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

yourdeadwright

normanoffside wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

He was never convicted , I think he got away without a charge due to being am Olympic prospect .

yourdeadwright

normanoffside wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

No you are correct he was convicted I just checked it out,

walshb

AJ was convicted.....

He has a conviction on his name/record.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

AJ was convicted.....

He has a conviction on his name/record.

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

I am sure the powers that be can arrange something. I am not up on U.S. law, but maybe somewhere there are some exceptions to the travel rule for persons who have criminal convictions.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

I am sure the powers that be can arrange something. I am not up on U.S. law, but maybe somewhere there are some exceptions to the travel rule for persons who have criminal convictions.

I'm sure the crime its self come into consideration , Like yourself I wouldn't know the ins and outs ,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm sure the crime its self come into consideration , Like yourself I wouldn't know the ins and outs ,

Just the Irish "rules" via the U.S. Embassy in Ireland....not even a conviction can hamper one's chances.

If you have ever been arrested, cautioned and/or convicted of an offense anywhere in the world, you are required to declare it when applying for a visa. In cases where an arrest resulted in a conviction, you may be permanently ineligible to receive a visa and will require a waiver ineligibility to travel to the United States.

squinn2912

That could well be his reason for not traveling to the States. I believe that he was in Rio for the Olympics in 2016? It obviously didn't prevent him from traveling to Europe anyhow. During the build up to the Wlad fight did they not to a presser or something in USA?

Larsso30

Heres AJ and Wald in Times Sq together

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-test-is-coming-for-anthony-joshua-but-it-isnt-the-one-you-think/


Visa not an issue, to be fair hes sold 250k plus tickets in a year in UK, hard to see why he needs to go to the states.

yourdeadwright

Larsso30 wrote: »

Heres AJ and Wald in Times Sq together

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-test-is-coming-for-anthony-joshua-but-it-isnt-the-one-you-think/


Visa not an issue, to be fair hes sold 250k plus tickets in a year in UK, hard to see why he needs to go to the states.

Ye I agree he won't sell out a stadium in the state like he does in England ,

Morrison J

The money Vegas puts up for these kind of fights will always trump a stadium fight. Same reason GGG-Canelo happened in Vegas instead of the 100k stadium in Dallas.

Larsso30

yeah but GGG- Canelo is a HUGE fight. with two established PPV stars (although GGG on stand alone hasnt been big ppv numbers. )

WIlder Joshua is massive, but both fighters not exactly household or ppv names in america.

walshb

I'd argue that Wilder-AJ are every bit as big name-wise as Canelo-GGG.

Two big unbeaten HWs who can punch....

Anyway,

As a boxing fan I'd much rather pay for AJ-Wilder......

Larsso30

hard to argue, neither guy has huge viewing figures in america and neither has fought on PPV there. Wilder not a big name in america at all.

AJ is biggest star in world boxing but Canelo has mexico which means big $$$$ in america which is why the casinos will pay mega bucks.

my preference would always be for HW fight, cannot be beaten. but think in america anyway canelo and GGG are proven names at the moment

ThunderCat

Larsso30 wrote: »

hard to argue, neither guy has huge viewing figures in america and neither has fought on PPV there. Wilder not a big name in america at all.

AJ is biggest star in world boxing but Canelo has mexico which means big $$$$ in america which is why the casinos will pay mega bucks.

my preference would always be for HW fight, cannot be beaten. but think in america anyway canelo and GGG are proven names at the moment

I was at the Wilder v Ortiz fight in the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn and the entire top tier was closed off. Had big curtains draped down over it so you couldn't see all the empty seats but they were there.

squinn2912

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

walshb

ThunderCat wrote: »

I was at the Wilder v Ortiz fight in the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn and the entire top tier was closed off. Had big curtains draped down over it so you couldn't see all the empty seats but they were there.

Yes, but throw AJ into the dance and the place will sell out.....

Once one is a big name with appeal, the other, who may not be so appealing doesn't matter too much. Once he is somewhat known.

In this case he is a big HW, a big puncher, a champion, undefeated, and KO machine......that all counts...as well as being a U.S. citizen....

Larsso30

squinn2912 wrote: »

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

thank you Al Haymon

squinn2912

Larsso30 wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

thank you Al Haymon

No worries, Julia Roberts.

Larsso30

squinn2912 wrote: »

No worries, Julia Roberts.

:pac: sorry it was my stupid way of saying the reason hes not widley known is because of the piss poor job haymon has done promoting him.

all his fighters always got to thank him after they win, sometimes before even thanking god :eek::pac:

squinn2912

Larsso30 wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

No worries, Julia Roberts.

:pac: sorry it was my stupid way of saying the reason hes not widley known is because of the piss poor job haymon has done promoting him.

all his fighters always got to thank him after they win, sometimes before even thanking god :eek::pac:

Haha I'm just being an ass. I totally agree with you. With the KO rate and a belt he should be selling out everywhere he goes.
I can't decide whether or not he really wants that fight. Saw David Haye talking about it today. I'm surprised he didn't bring up sparring Wilder before to try to get into the frame.

Larsso30

i think wilder wants it defo, not so sure about haymon

squinn2912

I agree with haymon. Like Eddie, he doesn't want to risk the cash cow if he can milk away another while. But if Wilder isn't put in against the best guys then the iron will turn cold.

Eircom_Sucks

Personally hearn should tell them to piss off , joshua has 3 of the belts while wilder has 1 so joshua is the a side so to speak , so if anything joshua should get a 75/25 split as he has alot more to lose plus he is a bigger name worldwide

normanoffside

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Personally hearn should tell them to piss off , joshua has 3 of the belts while wilder has 1 so joshua is the a side so to speak , so if anything joshua should get a 75/25 split as he has alot more to lose plus he is a bigger name worldwide

Hearn offered Wilder $12.5m which is likely to be at lot less than 25%.
The point about belts is silly in the extreme. AJ got the IBF off a nobody who had it handed to him. The WBA and WBO were a little more hard earned but the fact is that Wilder has held his a lot longer than AJ has had any and the WBC is the most prestigious belt. 75-25 is not a fair split. 60-40 would be fair IMO I am sure they could negotiate a 65-35 if they were inclined to fight.

Eircom_Sucks

normanoffside wrote: »

Hearn offered Wilder $12.5m which is likely to be at lot less than 25%.
The point about belts is silly in the extreme. AJ got the IBF off a nobody who had it handed to him. The WBA and WBO were a little more hard earned but the fact is that Wilder has held his a lot longer than AJ has had any and the WBC is the most prestigious belt. 75-25 is not a fair split. 60-40 would be fair IMO I am sure they could negotiate a 65-35 if they were inclined to fight.

Doesn’t matter how long or how he obtained them , he has them and is much more the A fighter than a bum who faced bums

normanoffside

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Doesn’t matter how long or how he obtained them , he has them and is much more the A fighter than a bum who faced bums

Oh right. No point engaging with you in that case.

walshb

Wilder a bum......

Yeh, pointless engaging that....

eliterank

The whole $50 million offer was embarrassing, Eddie Hearn wanted proof they could pay the money and Wilder responded saying "the moneys in the bag" lol Wilders team wouldn't even send a contract.

squinn2912

It’s all posing. I think wilders team are handing over the initiative but it wouldn’t in the slightest surprise me if this charade has been planned and discussed by both camps. Neither seem to have that much interest in making this fight immediate

normanoffside

What did everyone make of Miller last night?
For a 300lb guy he has a good engine, movement and fast hands but he doesn’t seem to have any pop in his punches at all.

walshb

normanoffside wrote: »

What did everyone make of Miller last night?
For a 300lb guy he has a good engine, movement and fast hands but he doesn’t seem to have any pop in his punches at all.

Agreed...

Hulk of a man with a huge head and huge frame...

How you KO that?....

Offensively he is only decent...

squinn2912

walshb wrote: »

normanoffside wrote: »

What did everyone make of Miller last night?
For a 300lb guy he has a good engine, movement and fast hands but he doesn’t seem to have any pop in his punches at all.

Agreed...

Hulk of a man with a huge head and huge frame...

How you KO that?....

Offensively he is only decent...

I agree too. I think he’s far too heavy and don’t see the stamina showing in a title fight when he gets one. Strange to see such little power behind such a massive man. I think he’d have an entertaining fight with Whyte

Larsso30

normanoffside wrote: »

Hearn offered Wilder $12.5m which is likely to be at lot less than 25%.
The point about belts is silly in the extreme. AJ got the IBF off a nobody who had it handed to him. The WBA and WBO were a little more hard earned but the fact is that Wilder has held his a lot longer than AJ has had any and the WBC is the most prestigious belt. 75-25 is not a fair split. 60-40 would be fair IMO I am sure they could negotiate a 65-35 if they were inclined to fight.

all that is very romantic but irrelvevant.

One is the aside who sells out stadiums and the other is a dude from alabama and sells **** all and has boxed a succession of nobodies for his first 40 fights.

yourdeadwright

Larsso30 wrote: »

normanoffside wrote: »

Hearn offered Wilder $12.5m which is likely to be at lot less than 25%.
The point about belts is silly in the extreme. AJ got the IBF off a nobody who had it handed to him. The WBA and WBO were a little more hard earned but the fact is that Wilder has held his a lot longer than AJ has had any and the WBC is the most prestigious belt. 75-25 is not a fair split. 60-40 would be fair IMO I am sure they could negotiate a 65-35 if they were inclined to fight.

all that is very romantic but irrelvevant.

One is the aside who sells out stadiums and the other is a dude from alabama and sells **** all and has boxed a succession of nobodies for his first 40 fights.

But that dude from Alabama has the one thing left that Aj and Hearn want, he is not stupid they need to fight him to unfi, So of course he will demand a crazy fee,
Good example around Liverpool's football club they bought up all the house around the stadium to extend but one guys is holding out and the longer he holds out the bigger the offers get , If its something they want they will pay over the odds,

walshb

I am not buying all this nonsense of AJ being the A side....

Ok, he is. But it's not like he's a mega global star. It's not as if he is so far ahead of Wilder as regards talent and skills and global appeal. He is not

He still needs to earn his stripes on a global scale. Plenty out there don't even rate him all that highly in terms of how good he really is at HW.

If they are splitting it it has to be 60-40 at best for AJ......

akelly02

i just want to see hit happen.

and so i can say i told you so when ive been telling my friends for about 3 years that Wilder will beat AJ as AJ was all hype

selectamatic

walshb wrote: »

I am not buying all this nonsense of AJ being the A side....

Ok, he is. But it's not like he's a mega global star. It's not as if he is so far ahead of Wilder as regards talent and skills and global appeal. He is not

He still needs to earn his stripes on a global scale. Plenty out there don't even rate him all that highly in terms of how good he really is at HW.

If they are splitting it it has to be 60-40 at best for AJ......

Na AJ is light years ahead of wilder in terms of marketability and the amount of money he can bring in (at the moment.)

I had a few friends at the last wilder stiverne fight. There was feck all at it and tickets were going for peanuts. By all accounts even the Ortiz fight was a pretty low-key affair.

Now sure all this can change instantly should wilder win spectacularly however at this moment in time AJ is the a-side simple as.


And as a result of this a 60-40 split while I'd view as fair it's certainly not the best AJ and Hearn could hope for.

And I'm not saying they should but they certainly could push for more.

squinn2912

The talk of little interest in Stiverne or Ortiz vs Wilder... one was a late stand in in terrible condition and the other never attracted big interest. If Povetkin has been coming to USA it would’ve sold out. That’s not Wilder’s fault.
They can push all they want but he holds the belt and being the undisputed champ is a huge carrot

walshb

AJ is known big in the UK...bigger than Wilder, of course..

Hardly a huge U.S. name. Has never even boxed there...

It’s the standard UK hype with him..we are talking about UK hype. You know, the same hype that saw Frankie and Kell sell out the O2 on PPV. Cleverly/Bellew II selling out on PPV. The British audience are no different than the Irish audience; they’d buy any old sh1t..

This will be a global fight....

Take the UK out of it and they are as known as each other, and as marketable and appealing as each other...in other words, not all that appealing...despite the fight being a global attraction...

The fight is very appealing...two big undefeated punchers in sports historically premier title..

But neither man has come close to setting the world on fire..neither all that globally appealing.

selectamatic

The difference is the wlad fight. That's the fight that put Aj on the global platform.

He is pretty well known globally. And just as the UK isn't the be all and end all neither is the US.
He also has a fairly big social media presence and a decent sponsorship deal with under armour.

The only trump card the US can pull over the rest of the world is the money Vegas can front to hold a fight. And thus far Wilder hasn't seen any of this cash either. The difference is Joshua has been selling out stadiums in the UK.

And before anyone says it I'm not brown nosing Joshua or Hearn or anything of the sorts I'm just giving my own view on things.

I'm happy as long as the HW champ of the world is an aggressive unit of a man as that's what boxing needs that's what sells and that's what captures the casual interest.

Both AJ and Wilder fit the bill so I'm pretty happy no matter who's on top.