Heavyweight Boxing

StringerBell

I would have said Haye in the original fight, and I'll be saying Haye for this one too. Bellew had enough trouble getting him out of there on one leg last time, barring injury I can't see him winning.

walshb

If Haye/Bellew goes the distance and both are injury free it will be a toss up. Neither is great or close to it as regards boxing. There won’t be a clean/clear and decisive points victor..

normanoffside

Wilder now saying he has just offered AJ $50m to fight him.....

Edit, minimum $50m.....http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40019962-4

Morrison J

I'll delete my account if it happens next. Neither side wants it yet. All PR.

AJ v Miller
Wilder v Breazeale

Be absolutely stunned if it's anything other than those two fights next.

yourdeadwright

Morrison J wrote: »

I'll delete my account if it happens next. Neither side wants it yet. All PR.

AJ v Miller
Wilder v Breazeale

Be absolutely stunned if it's anything other than those two fights next.

I seen an interview with Hearn that  Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

Larsso30

Wilder offer is complete embarrassmednt. he the fighter emailed that offer to hearn, no details and no contract.

jesus christ

dinorebel

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen an interview with Hearn that Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

It makes sense for AJ to fight Miller next as long as it's in the US that way his profile will increase making the Wilder fight more likely at the end of this year.

yourdeadwright

dinorebel wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen an interview with Hearn that  Miller interrupted ,Hearn tells him if he wins the weekend in impressive style to call out AJ and he will get the fight,
Hearn 100% does not want the Wilder fight at the moment for whatever reason they simple do not want it,

It makes sense for AJ to fight Miller next as long as it's in the US that way his profile will increase making the Wilder fight more likely at the end of this year.

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

normanoffside

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

yourdeadwright

normanoffside wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

He was never convicted , I think he got away without a charge due to being am Olympic prospect .

yourdeadwright

normanoffside wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ has repeatedly said he won't fight in the US

His previous convictions may be a Visa issue

No you are correct he was convicted I just checked it out,

walshb

AJ was convicted.....

He has a conviction on his name/record.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

AJ was convicted.....

He has a conviction on his name/record.

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

I am sure the powers that be can arrange something. I am not up on U.S. law, but maybe somewhere there are some exceptions to the travel rule for persons who have criminal convictions.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder is it enough to spot him traveling, I know people with similar conviction that yearly travel to the states on holidays,

I am sure the powers that be can arrange something. I am not up on U.S. law, but maybe somewhere there are some exceptions to the travel rule for persons who have criminal convictions.

I'm sure the crime its self come into consideration , Like yourself I wouldn't know the ins and outs ,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm sure the crime its self come into consideration , Like yourself I wouldn't know the ins and outs ,

Just the Irish "rules" via the U.S. Embassy in Ireland....not even a conviction can hamper one's chances.

If you have ever been arrested, cautioned and/or convicted of an offense anywhere in the world, you are required to declare it when applying for a visa. In cases where an arrest resulted in a conviction, you may be permanently ineligible to receive a visa and will require a waiver ineligibility to travel to the United States.

squinn2912

That could well be his reason for not traveling to the States. I believe that he was in Rio for the Olympics in 2016? It obviously didn't prevent him from traveling to Europe anyhow. During the build up to the Wlad fight did they not to a presser or something in USA?

Larsso30

Heres AJ and Wald in Times Sq together

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-test-is-coming-for-anthony-joshua-but-it-isnt-the-one-you-think/


Visa not an issue, to be fair hes sold 250k plus tickets in a year in UK, hard to see why he needs to go to the states.

yourdeadwright

Larsso30 wrote: »

Heres AJ and Wald in Times Sq together

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-test-is-coming-for-anthony-joshua-but-it-isnt-the-one-you-think/


Visa not an issue, to be fair hes sold 250k plus tickets in a year in UK, hard to see why he needs to go to the states.

Ye I agree he won't sell out a stadium in the state like he does in England ,

Morrison J

The money Vegas puts up for these kind of fights will always trump a stadium fight. Same reason GGG-Canelo happened in Vegas instead of the 100k stadium in Dallas.

Larsso30

yeah but GGG- Canelo is a HUGE fight. with two established PPV stars (although GGG on stand alone hasnt been big ppv numbers. )

WIlder Joshua is massive, but both fighters not exactly household or ppv names in america.

walshb

I'd argue that Wilder-AJ are every bit as big name-wise as Canelo-GGG.

Two big unbeaten HWs who can punch....

Anyway,

As a boxing fan I'd much rather pay for AJ-Wilder......

Larsso30

hard to argue, neither guy has huge viewing figures in america and neither has fought on PPV there. Wilder not a big name in america at all.

AJ is biggest star in world boxing but Canelo has mexico which means big $$$$ in america which is why the casinos will pay mega bucks.

my preference would always be for HW fight, cannot be beaten. but think in america anyway canelo and GGG are proven names at the moment

ThunderCat

Larsso30 wrote: »

hard to argue, neither guy has huge viewing figures in america and neither has fought on PPV there. Wilder not a big name in america at all.

AJ is biggest star in world boxing but Canelo has mexico which means big $$$$ in america which is why the casinos will pay mega bucks.

my preference would always be for HW fight, cannot be beaten. but think in america anyway canelo and GGG are proven names at the moment

I was at the Wilder v Ortiz fight in the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn and the entire top tier was closed off. Had big curtains draped down over it so you couldn't see all the empty seats but they were there.

squinn2912

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

walshb

ThunderCat wrote: »

I was at the Wilder v Ortiz fight in the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn and the entire top tier was closed off. Had big curtains draped down over it so you couldn't see all the empty seats but they were there.

Yes, but throw AJ into the dance and the place will sell out.....

Once one is a big name with appeal, the other, who may not be so appealing doesn't matter too much. Once he is somewhat known.

In this case he is a big HW, a big puncher, a champion, undefeated, and KO machine......that all counts...as well as being a U.S. citizen....

Larsso30

squinn2912 wrote: »

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

thank you Al Haymon

squinn2912

Larsso30 wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

America hasn’t had a proper American hw champion in ages and they’ve stopped engaging with the division. They have other hero’s like bud or mayweather and yes the Mexican fighters have a huge following there too. Wlad ruling the division turned a lot against it too.
I’d prefer to see the hw fight and I think wilder is badly shortchanged in America I think he should have a much bigger following.

thank you Al Haymon

No worries, Julia Roberts.

Larsso30

squinn2912 wrote: »

No worries, Julia Roberts.

:pac: sorry it was my stupid way of saying the reason hes not widley known is because of the piss poor job haymon has done promoting him.

all his fighters always got to thank him after they win, sometimes before even thanking god :eek::pac:

squinn2912

Larsso30 wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

No worries, Julia Roberts.

:pac: sorry it was my stupid way of saying the reason hes not widley known is because of the piss poor job haymon has done promoting him.

all his fighters always got to thank him after they win, sometimes before even thanking god :eek::pac:

Haha I'm just being an ass. I totally agree with you. With the KO rate and a belt he should be selling out everywhere he goes.
I can't decide whether or not he really wants that fight. Saw David Haye talking about it today. I'm surprised he didn't bring up sparring Wilder before to try to get into the frame.