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    #2642
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,388 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Dont be at yourself wrote:
    Hearn saying rematch in November/December
    Love if AJ talks about retirement and forces Hearn into upping AJ's take from the fight.


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    #2643
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    ikeano29 wrote: »
    22/1 i got with 15 on

    Enjoy. I had a tentative bet too. More delighted to see that prick with lights on his hands get ko. (William hill ad)

    Joshua is a sham.


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    #2644
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    A lot of people thought it was a dead cert he would surpass Lennox Lewis as the GOAT British Heavyweight.

    Going undefeated throughout his entire career would certainly have made him that, now some doubt?


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    #2645
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Going undefeated throughout his entire career would certainly have made him that, now some doubt?

    Undefeated against an awful lot of very average fighters bar one or two. If AJ comes back stronger from this i'll be the first to say it.


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    #2646
    Aoconne2
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Aoconne2


    Talk of similarity with Lewis' two ko losses, but for me this defeat bears more resemblance to Klitschko's loss to Brewster.
    At the moment I think if the same Ruiz turns up in t


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    #2647
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Poor night for both hearn's champs. Katie has to do the rematch to put aside any questions over this 'victory' - of which there are plenty.

    Joshua - oh dear. That will quieten the British press. :)


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    #2648
    Blanco100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    AJ needs to drop McCracken too. Boxing isnt all about conditioning and Joshua isnt Carl Froch on that front.

    It cant be argued now, he has a suspect chin and id say he has been buzzed in the gym hence his team are lowballing Wilder looking for lions share.

    FWIW i dont think Wilder has the skill to do what Ruiz did, he set traps.

    All 3 guys are vulnerable, but AJ has a suspect chin. Fury also but his recovery powers are excellent.

    AJs gas tank is suspect too


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    #2649
    mooreman09
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭mooreman09


    That was coming. He's a sloppy fighter. Ruiz didnt even have to do much, Joshua gassed after 5. Once Ruiz kept his head there was no way that Joshua would last through 12.


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    #2650
    dougm1970
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    immediate rematch...in england !!.....one of the things i hate most in boxing, them rematch clauses in world title fights...they should be outlawed and its nothing short of corruption allowing them in contracts... .its unfair ruiz should be forced to go to england...joshua doesnt deserve a rematch..and whatever contender to the belts was next has to unfairly wait, or maybe ruiz v wilder....its a very wrong thing.


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    #2651
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Does Ruiz get to dictate % cut for that rematch out will that be in the contract?


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    #2652
    mooreman09
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭mooreman09


    If I was Ruiz I'd be happy with an immediate rematch. I dont think Joshua will be much better in November. If Ruiz gets back into camp in decent shape, Joshua will probably really struggle again.

    Wonder if its ideal for Joshua to have hearn throwing that out there immediately. It seemed desperate and panicked.


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    #2653
    dougm1970
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    mooreman09 wrote: »
    If I was Ruiz I'd be happy with an immediate rematch. I dont think Joshua will be much better in November. If Ruiz gets back into camp in decent shape, Joshua will probably really struggle again.

    Wonder if its ideal for Joshua to have hearn throwing that out there immediately. It seemed desperate and panicked.

    its besides the point though...an undeserving losing champion should not be able to dictate what fight a deserving new champion has next....its wrong thats its just an accepted thing in boxing.


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    #2654
    12gauge dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭12gauge dave


    And they said boxing was dead?

    :)


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    #2655
    mooreman09
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭mooreman09


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    its besides the point though...an undeserving losing champion should not be able to dictate what fight a deserving new champion has next....its wrong thats its just an accepted thing in boxing.

    When you think about it, its sensible business. You can claim he was undeserving but I doubt Ruiz minded signing on the dotted line.

    Its fairly normal. The UK bit is unfair however.


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    #2656
    dougm1970
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    mooreman09 wrote: »
    When you think about it, its sensible business. You can claim he was undeserving but I doubt Ruiz minded signing on the dotted line.

    Its fairly normal. The UK bit is unfair however.

    ok...sensible business and normal....but wrong when theres most deserving challengers for the belts.....by all means have a rematch in close fights but not as a matter of corrupt business clauses that should have no place in boxing.


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    #2657
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Surprised it was Ruiz that did it but Joshua was always very clearly beatable. Too hittable, doesn't react well to being hit, dodgy gas tank etc.

    Wilder knocks him out too.


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    #2658
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Like against Vlad, Joshua drops Ruiz then stupidly jumps in, gets hit and gassed himself.

    He's just a flaky type of boxer.

    Ruiz will probably lose the rematch but financially he is sorted.


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    #2659
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Do sky show replays of ppv events?


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    #2660
    Erik Shun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Do sky show replays of ppv events?

    Oh to be sure they do...9am is the next one


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    #2661
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Not sure the Wilder fight will ever happen now. Its a really bad match up for Joshua. Wilder possibly the biggest puncher ever in boxing and AJ is easy to hit. Wilder has shown he can take a punch too.


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    #2662
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Erik Shun wrote: »
    Oh to be sure they do...9am is the next one

    You're a dinger. Thanks


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    #2663
    Angliru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Wow what an upset! And people said Usyk won't have any chance in a fight down the line :pac:


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    #2664
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,784 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    AJ badly found out. No chin, hardly hit, gassed, no aggression.


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    #2665
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    The Nal wrote: »
    AJ badly found out. No chin, hardly hit, gassed, no aggression.

    He was found out a long time ago. Didn't Ruiz would beat him but it was a matter of time. Whyte and old man Vlad had him on queer street.

    The sickening thing here is the rematch will be in the UK and Joshua will still get 70/30 split even as Challenger.


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    #2666
    Angliru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Speed kills.

    Anyone notice how clueless Joshua was and desperately asking McCraken what he was going to do between rounds. It was such a bizarre thing to hear from a fighter of his stature.


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    #2667
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,756 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Said it last week and some laughed his defensive boxing is shocking ,gets away with it a lot because his arms are so big they cover him up no head movement at all


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    #2668
    section4
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭section4


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    AJ starting to seem like a heavyweight Amir Khan...crumbles once he's hit.

    you need to go a little further back
    another frank bruno


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    #2669
    section4
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭section4


    glasso wrote: »
    Like against Vlad, Joshua drops Ruiz then stupidly jumps in, gets hit and gassed himself.

    He's just a flaky type of boxer.

    Ruiz will probably lose the rematch but financially he is sorted.

    vlad was over 40,thats the difference


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    #2670
    Angliru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Ah lads he did recover well against Wlad as he did against Whyte and Povetkin. He has glaring flaws and it did seem he trained very little for this fight but have show a little bit of objectivity at least.


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    #2671
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users Posts: 14,141 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Joshua was not there after what happened in Round 3.

    He wasn't himself in the ring after that, in the corner he was more or less asking what was going on, I'm sure he asked and was told a couple of times what punch Ruiz had caught him with. Asking what he should do and even what Ruiz was going to do - and then going out and not doing much at all.


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