Heavyweight Boxing

mada82

On 17 January, Hearn sent a slightly improved offer. "I made it clear that I wanted a percentage split of the show rather than fixed money as this is the normal way that I do business going back to my first fight with AJ and all the other PPVs I've been on," said Whyte. "Additionally, the offer included a rematch clause in AJ's favour. How can you expect to get the lion's share on a rematch after losing the fight?"

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2019/01/31/exclusive-dillian-whyte-believes-prospect-anthony-joshua-fight/amp/

yourdeadwright

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Just seen this

AJ and Hearn where on sky today and 100% denied he had a panic attack ,
I wonder where did that come from ?

squinn2912

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AJ and Hearn where on sky today and 100% denied he had a panic attack ,
I wonder where did that come from ?

I saw that gunge word for word on Facebook on a page called seconds out. It’s an AJ fan club. No reputable source has said this. Something did make his father irate but that’s just gossip and click bait

Dirkziggler

squinn2912 wrote: »

I saw that gunge word for word on Facebook on a page called seconds out. It’s an AJ fan club. No reputable source has said this. Something did make his father irate but that’s just gossip and click bait

It's on Twitter on a boxing page.

Sebastian Dangerfield

squinn2912 wrote: »

I saw that gunge word for word on Facebook on a page called seconds out. It’s an AJ fan club. No reputable source has said this. Something did make his father irate but that’s just gossip and click bait

John Fury said it on Twitter. Dunno what he claims to be the source

normanoffside

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

John Fury said it on Twitter. Dunno what he claims to be the source

That's a fake account.

https://twitter.com/frankwarren_tv/status/1076873926838571008?lang=en

squinn2912

Big nothing story. Something may well have happened but that’s just sensationalist drivel. If that man was for giving interviews it would be on sky or some tv

normanoffside

Changing the subject, Joe Joyce’s manager is an even worse talker than himself.

https://twitter.com/michaelbensonn/status/1136293494010654720?s=21

squinn2912

normanoffside wrote: »

Changing the subject, Joe Joyce’s manager is an even worse talker than himself.

https://twitter.com/michaelbensonn/status/1136293494010654720?s=21

What a waste of space. He got rinsed out then. Side car with the little helmet is a great line

normanoffside

squinn2912 wrote: »

What a waste of space. He got rinsed out then. Side car with the little helmet is a great line

I think he feels the need to mouth off because Joe literally can't talk.

squinn2912

normanoffside wrote: »

I think he feels the need to mouth off because Joe literally can't talk.

"Yea it's the juggernaut man, you're gonna get run over."

How PATHETIC is that?! Did you see when he interviewed along with Daniel Dubois? I was dyin for them bother but at least DD is a youngster. That's a man of 35 with the articulation abilities of a primary school child. He can't even learn his lines. He thinks at the speed that he throws punches. Got power but I see him being found out and soon. Jennings should beat him but I'd be surprised if he does. I'd love to watch someone like Whyte be vicious against him.

squinn2912

I see that Ruiz is asking for $50m for the rematch if he has to go to England. He'll hardly get that will he? That's what Wilder was claiming to have offered Joshua.

Dirkziggler

squinn2912 wrote: »

I see that Ruiz is asking for $50m for the rematch if he has to go to England. He'll hardly get that will he? That's what Wilder was claiming to have offered Joshua.

He will get a huge purse no doubt.

Dont be at yourself

This is the last of AJ'S 3-fight deal with DAZN I believe, so they may push for it to be in the US. AJ still needs to build his brand over there anyway, so a UK fight is very much a backwards step.

The Nal

squinn2912 wrote: »

I see that Ruiz is asking for $50m for the rematch if he has to go to England. He'll hardly get that will he? That's what Wilder was claiming to have offered Joshua.

Smart tactic. With the renewed interest in HW division in the states it makes no sense to bring a PPV outside the US and wipe out 30-40% of the PPV buyrate.

Unless hes guaranteed huge money.

There hasn't really been a bonafide US heavyweight champ since Holyfield.

Perry12

Good breakdown here. Talks a lot about Ruiz's fight IQ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIr2LgCpzT8

squinn2912

The Nal wrote: »

Smart tactic. With the renewed interest in HW division in the states it makes no sense to bring a PPV outside the US and wipe out 30-40% of the PPV buyrate.

Unless he guaranteed huge money.

There hasn't really been a bonafide US heavyweight champ since Holyfield.

Couple of good points there. The worst thing that joshua can do is lose the rematch. That is a disaster for him in negotiating terms. So if he needs to take a hit to have the advantages of a home fight it's worth his while. But he does need to build the brand in USA and down the line even if he does well he will need to prove himself on the road.

mada82

squinn2912 wrote: »

I see that Ruiz is asking for $50m for the rematch if he has to go to England. He'll hardly get that will he? That's what Wilder was claiming to have offered Joshua.

Assuming the split or flat fee for the rematch was set in the contract then I can’t see how Ruiz can demand this and succeed.

The only thing I can think of is if the rematch location wasn’t stated in the contract then maybe that gives Ruiz some room to get more money for conceding to non contractual demands from AJ.

The Nal

squinn2912 wrote: »

Couple of good points there. The worst thing that joshua can do is lose the rematch. That is a disaster for him in negotiating terms. So if he needs to take a hit to have the advantages of a home fight it's worth his while. But he does need to build the brand in USA and down the line even if he does well he will need to prove himself on the road.

If he loses the rematch he essentially could be done. Ruiz, Fury, Wilder all to fight each other which will bring us into 2021 without AJ even in the picture.

mada82 wrote: »

Assuming the split or flat fee for the rematch was set in the contract then I can’t see how Ruiz can demand this and succeed.

The only thing I can think of is if the rematch location wasn’t stated in the contract then maybe that gives Ruiz some room to get more money for conceding to non contractual demands from AJ.

Doesn't look like the location was included. Its not just about AJ now though, or Hearn, whos lost a load of negotiating power. The fight game always ends up in Vegas, where the most money is made. People spending holiday money on expensive tickets, better times across the states for PPV buys, hotels get filled, people drop money in casinos etc.

A UK fight means half of America are watching it at 2pm so they don't bother.

Even to the detriment of the fighters themselves. The Rumble in the Jungle started at 4.30am and the Thrilla in Manilla at 10am.

Dirkziggler

mada82 wrote: »

Assuming the split or flat fee for the rematch was set in the contract then I can’t see how Ruiz can demand this and succeed.

The only thing I can think of is if the rematch location wasn’t stated in the contract then maybe that gives Ruiz some room to get more money for conceding to non contractual demands from AJ.

No split is every agreed in a contract. I've said this days ago.

yourdeadwright

Did anyone actually what the interview where Ruiz said this ?

He was asked does he have any say on the rematch and he stopped looked off camera for about 20 seconds presumably at his manger and shrugged his shoulder's and said " eh I can't really say nervously " laughing then said we are waiting on word form them
Then next question was what are his thought on the rematch being in England and he said they would have to pay me 50 million smirking ,

It was quite clear he has absolutely no say and its all down In the rematch contract and Match Room are in total control

Dirkziggler

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Did anyone actually what the interview where Ruiz said this ?

He was asked does he have any say on the rematch and he stopped looked off camera for about 20 seconds presumably at his manger and shrugged his shoulder's and said " eh I can't really say nervously " laughing then said we are waiting on word form them
Then next question was what are his thought on the rematch being in England and he said they would have to pay me 50 million smirking ,

It was quite clear he has absolutely no say and its all down In the rematch contract and Match Room are in total control

Again I'm gonna ask you shoe me 1 contract any preagreement with a split in it. Any boxer the world over.

I've sat and seen MTK contracts the past 18 months not fitted with any split on rematch agreements of 2 boxers I'm closely involved with.

squinn2912

I don't think AJ would be done if he lost but yea he'd certainly need to take at least 2-3 fights to rebuild. I do think he wins it though.
Match room aren't in total control. They have less control than they had and that's enough of a dip.

Mantis Toboggan

If AJ loses the rematch then he's as good as done but if he takes the fight back to the UK and wins there will still be question marks over him especially with what Whyte has been saying.

The Nal

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

If AJ loses the rematch then he's as good as done but if he takes the fight back to the UK and wins there will still be question marks over him especially with what Whyte has been saying.

He has to fight in the US. He'll lose so much credibility stateside otherwise. And rightly so.

Financially it makes sense for everyone too.

yourdeadwright

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Again I'm gonna ask you shoe me 1 contract any preagreement with a split in it. Any boxer the world over.

I've sat and seen MTK contracts the past 18 months not fitted with any split on rematch agreements of 2 boxers I'm closely involved with.

MTK aren't Match Room plus I doubt any of the fighter contracts you have seen bring in the same amount of cash as AJ,

There not seen because they would normally be laughed at but because AJ makes so much money guys like Ruiz and Miller can not afford not to sign the contracts ,

You have to realise the money AJ brings in dwarfs any other heavyweight meaning he can have these bull**** contract's as fighter will get less fighting anyone else,

As said there are multiple interviews with Whyte speaking about this,
Kugen done one with Whyte where he is standing beside Eddie Hearn himself and Hearn reaction is gold he says that's not me that is what AJ asked for " me b*llox its not you "

As Whyte said they only reason he could turn it down is because he is pay per view fighter himself ,

Again look at Katie Taylor opponent on Saturday she spoke about the bullsh*t contract from Match Room but she wasn't getting anywhere near that cash to fight anyone but Katie so she couldn't turn it down ,

squinn2912

The Nal wrote: »

He has to fight in the US. He'll lose so much credibility stateside otherwise. And rightly so.

Financially it makes sense for everyone too.

That's true but the stakes are very high this time around. He needs to think about more than this fight. If he loses then having it in the states will be of little relevance. He needs to make sure he wins it. If there are KDs on both sides even he won't look good. He needs to show that this was a freak result. I don't think it quite was but I do see Joshua winning within 5-6 rounds and convincingly, perhaps after taking a shot or two. How I'd love to be wrong.

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

That's true but the stakes are very high this time around. He needs to think about more than this fight. If he loses then having it in the states will be of little relevance. He needs to make sure he wins it. If there are KDs on both sides even he won't look good. He needs to show that this was a freak result. I don't think it quite was but I do see Joshua winning within 5-6 rounds and convincingly, perhaps after taking a shot or two. How I'd love to be wrong.

Fury going State side and drawing with Wilder and possibly winning again this weekend in Vegas will make it look horrible if AJ goes running back to the UK ,

I think he needs to fight in the States

squinn2912

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Fury going State side and drawing with Wilder and possibly winning again this weekend in Vegas will make it look horrible if AJ goes running back to the UK ,

I think he needs to fight in the States

I get what you're saying but he needs to win at all costs. If that means take it to UK then do that. He will generate enough money and have his belts back - they'll sell any fight. If I were him I'd be thinking USA can wait.

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

I get what you're saying but he needs to win at all costs. If that means take it to UK then do that. He will generate enough money and have his belts back - they'll sell any fight. If I were him I'd be thinking USA can wait.

I understand what your saying its a catch 22, The public seems to already tiring a bit of Aj and Hearn and if he goes back to England there will be more rumblings but at the same time I'm sure fans will turn out to watch the rematch it more about the night out ,

Boxing can be fickle odd if the celebs all turn up which they will for AJ then the public tend to want to follow ,more about the event than the fighter at times ,