Wild kids on Motocross bikes. Getting mad out there.

emo72

6 bikes charging up the road flat out coming straight at me in clondalkin this week. 2 were doing wheelies, looked totally out of control, I thought I was going to get lashed out of it in my car. That was Saturday, I've come across it again on Sunday and Monday. What's going on have the guards just given up? Talking to a few people today and it's rampant. How are they getting away with this?

CJhaughey

Not sure you'll find any answers in this forum.
Just because they are riding motorcycles doesn't mean they are posting in here.
Its like asking about joyriders in the motors subforum.

emo72

True, I know it's nothing to do with us. It's one of those threads that's just general. Really don't want to put this in after hours though. I suppose it's the sense of unfairness that I would be stopped on my bike and made produce insurance cert, meanwhile these lads would be creating havoc and just let carry on. This happened outside the ronanstown Garda station. It's happening every day.

Paulw

Saw two today, going by Charlestown Shopping Centre. They went through red lights and missed having an accident by inches. Helmets only, so no care for anyone. Absolute scumbags.

Lumen

Teenager killed in Dublin after motorcycle hit lamppost
A pillion passenger was seriously injured.
http://www.thejournal.ie/motorcyclist-killed-dublin-3512725-Jul2017/

Del2005

Sure the Gardaì are ignoring nearly every motorbike on the road bar the legitimate ones. You have the hipsters on their 2 stroke powered bikes pottering past the people on the non pedal assisted bicycles as the Gardai sit watching. They know that chasing the motor cross bikes is a waste of time because even if they catch them they will walk out with a slap on the wrist.

But the people with a licence and insurance are easy marks so they can go after them and make it look like they are doing something.

emo72

they are going to kill some innocent passerby. how the guards are getting a free pass on this is mad.

emo72

emo72 wrote: »

they are going to kill some innocent passerby. how the guards are getting a free pass on this is mad.

I would assume they have a no chase policy because

A - they will very likely crash and probably kill themselves, put the public in more danger

B - They wont catch them

emo72

Kenna Jealous Therapy wrote: »

I would assume they have a no chase policy because

A - they will very likely crash and probably kill themselves, put the public in more danger

B - They wont catch them

they could try put a few roadchecks up. its plain as day where this is happening.i see it at the same place every day. its right beside ronanstown station.

or as you say theres nothing that can be done, let the mayhem continue? its that easy to evade the guards? lads feck the tax and insurance and all get 2 strokes with knobbly tyres, ye cant be touched.

emo72

emo72 wrote: »

they could try put a few roadchecks up. its plain as day where this is happening.i see it at the same place every day. its right beside ronanstown station.

or as you say theres nothing that can be done, let the mayhem continue? its that easy to evade the guards? lads feck the tax and insurance and all get 2 strokes with knobbly tyres, ye cant be touched.

It's an epidemic in parts of the US , there are videos on YouTube of packs of ferrel kids on atv , scramblers etc running wild in the cities. They all have a no chase policy now because of the deaths chasing them has caused.

If it was up to me I would have the guards mow them down like ants tbh

CJhaughey

Kenna Jealous Therapy wrote: »

It's an epidemic in parts of the US , there are videos on YouTube of packs of ferrel kids on atv , scramblers etc running wild in the cities. They all have a no chase policy now because of the deaths chasing them has caused.

If it was up to me I would have the guards mow them down like ants tbh

Reminds me a of a movie scene, can't remember which one where there is a pack of kids on bikes.

Philipx

To be fair to the Guards, what outcome do you expect if they try & stop them?

Best case scenario - Bike mounts path onto green area, car can't follow, bike gets away.

Worst case scenario -

Bike mounts path onto green area, car can't follow, bike gets away, knocks down kid playing football. Huge public & social media outcry - "why did the Guards chase him, they forced him on"

Bike stays on road, crashes, rider killed. Huge public & social media outcry - "why did the Guards chase him, they forced him on, he was a lovely fella, really quiet, loved his Granny etc etc..."

Max Headroom

Reminds me of a lad i know, robbed cars, drunk driving,no insurance, riding motox bikes on the road, sold drugs, house was raided regularly..a right scumbag.....what does he do now...

He's a road racer......and quite good too...;)

Del2005

emo72 wrote: »

they could try put a few roadchecks up. its plain as day where this is happening.i see it at the same place every day. its right beside ronanstown station.

or as you say theres nothing that can be done, let the mayhem continue? its that easy to evade the guards? lads feck the tax and insurance and all get 2 strokes with knobbly tyres, ye cant be touched.

They are on off road bikes so a checkpoint on a road isn't much use. Then there's the issue of trying to chase a bike, ridden by someone who doesn't care, in a car into known trouble areas. Don't forget a few of their parents where part of the "joyriding" endemic we had years ago and they used to trap and attack any Gardaí that chased them into their estates, the family tradition lives on.

Until our judicial system is reformed there is nothing to be done. I'd a very interesting day in the children's court after someone was caught stealing my car, everyone knew everyone in there and the legal eagles are gorging at the trough. The Gardaí catch them, a well paid state supplied solicitor and barrister says they've a hard live, slap on the wrist and repeat. What we need is for parents to be made responsible for the actions of their children and for adults to have proper sanctions, but that won't happen because the legal system is incestuous.

Max Headroom

Only post on here if you're squeaky clean and never did anything wrong in yer life..or it'll turn into yet another moanfest..:rolleyes:

Cienciano

Del2005 wrote: »

Sure the Gardaì are ignoring nearly every motorbike on the road bar the legitimate ones. You have the hipsters on their 2 stroke powered bikes pottering past the people on the non pedal assisted bicycles as the Gardai sit watching. They know that chasing the motor cross bikes is a waste of time because even if they catch them they will walk out with a slap on the wrist.

But the people with a licence and insurance are easy marks so they can go after them and make it look like they are doing something.

In fairness to the gardai, almost impossible to catch these. They know every laneway, park with pedestrian entrance that their bike can fit through and shortcut across fields in a 15 mile radius. Parents have a lot to answer for

thos

Just get Sally-gap man down for a spin around with them

sonofenoch

It's mental.....I get the no chase policy but lets be honest most of these heads would be known to the gardai wouldn't be hard to find them, there should be some sort of crackdown on it and confiscation ....they're breaking all sorts of laws on a daily basis


Meanwhile I've a fixed fine to pay and pts coming on my license for going 7km/h over the limit according to the man in a van

death1234567

Del2005 wrote: »

What we need is for parents to be made responsible for the actions of their children.

I've been saying this for years and I know a couple of guards who are of the same opinion. If your child commits a crime then you as legal guardian should be held responsible. The scumbags under 18 know they can't be punished. It's a law free world for them, why not take the piss?

Del2005

sonofenoch wrote: »

It's mental.....I get the no chase policy but lets be honest most of these heads would be known to the gardai wouldn't be hard to find them, there should be some sort of crackdown on it and confiscation ....they're breaking all sorts of laws on a daily basis


Meanwhile I've a fixed fine to pay and pts coming on my license for going 7km/h over the limit according to the man in a van

My day in court was for a person caught in my car trying to steal it, with items stolen from somewhere else, and they got off scot free. I've said it here before, ask any Garda off the record and they'll tell you exactly who committed which crimes in your area. Ask them what happens when they catch them.

Which proved my point. Decent law abiding people are chased for "minor" offences while the scumbags are let go feral.

Del2005

Max Headroom wrote: »

Only post on here if you're squeaky clean and never did anything wrong in yer life..or it'll turn into yet another moanfest..:rolleyes:

I'll admit I'm no angel but if I get caught breaking a law it'll have repercussions for me. The people on the scramblers, 2 stroke bicycles and non pedal assisted electric bikes have no repercussions for breaking our laws.

Max Headroom

Max Headroom wrote: »

Reminds me of a lad i know, robbed cars, drunk driving,no insurance, riding motox bikes on the road, sold drugs, house was raided regularly..a right scumbag.....what does he do now...

He's a road racer......and quite good too...;)

Ah that's alright then, he's a decent road racer so we will forgive the drug dealing and robbing cars, sure that's stuff every young lad get up to...
Sounds like a ****ing scumbag lowlife who inflicted absolute misery on people and the community, I wouldn't be boasting about knowing someone involved in car crime and drug dealing because he can ride a bike fast.

Max Headroom

Kenna Jealous Therapy wrote: »

Ah that's alright then, he's a decent road racer so we will forgive the drug dealing and robbing cars, sure that's stuff every young lad get up to...
Sounds like a ****ing scumbag lowlife who inflicted absolute misery on people and the community, I wouldn't be boasting about knowing someone involved in car crime and drug dealing because he can ride a bike fast.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...you need to really read posts twice....just looking for conflict you are...angryKenna Jealous Therapy....

Never boasted about him, in fact i detest him ,his family for supporting him AND the local judge who NEVER put him away..so there...;)

Max Headroom

Del2005 wrote: »

I'll admit I'm no angel but if I get caught breaking a law it'll have repercussions for me. The people on the scramblers, 2 stroke bicycles and non pedal assisted electric bikes have no repercussions for breaking our laws.

If you get caught breaking "our" law then youre just the same as these guys....dont get caught

Hotblack Desiato

Max Headroom wrote: »

Never boasted about him, in fact i detest him ,his family for supporting him AND the local judge who NEVER put him away..so there...;)

Yeah that is really the tone I picked up from reading your earlier post.

Not.

Hotblack Desiato

Max Headroom wrote: »

If you get caught breaking "our" law then youre just the same as these guys....dont get caught

None of us on this forum are the same as these guys. FFS are you having a 'stupidest post on Boards ever' competition with yourself lately?

endacl

Mobile crusher. Job done.

Hotblack Desiato

endacl wrote: »

Mobile crusher. Job done.

And the guards can auction the bikes afterwards

punisher5112

Quite simple really....
Helicopter out and work with crews on the ground but have a specialist scrambler team themselves.
Have patrols in the areas and catch them at the house or when run out of fuel.

So much could be done but won't.

Parents as said above should be held to account and seriously penalized for allowing a child on a vehicle like the scramblers or quads etc.

Get people in the community on board go out and speak with them and get them that way too.

Markcheese

Might be simple, but it'd have to be a big operation and expensive.. And probably probably only catch 2 or 3 lads.. If that..
. . Will the guards be able to impound the bike from mammy and daddies shed, till the slap on the wrist comes..

Markcheese

punisher5112 wrote:

Quite simple really.... Helicopter out and work with crews on the ground but have a specialist scrambler team themselves. Have patrols in the areas and catch them at the house or when run out of fuel.

Camera drones would be a lot better than helicopters...
Do the guards have them?

Cian_ok

death1234567 wrote: »

I've been saying this for years and I know a couple of guards who are of the same opinion. If your child commits a crime then you as legal guardian should be held responsible. The scumbags under 18 know they can't be punished. It's a law free world for them, why not take the piss?

How much control would that give any teenager?
"Mom, let me do X, or I will commit a crime, phone the police, and *you* will go to prison"

Cienciano

Cian_ok wrote: »

How much control would that give any teenager?
"Mom, let me do X, or I will commit a crime, phone the police, and *you* will go to prison"

Yes. Maybe the parents will have to actually do a bit of parenting.

frozenfrozen

we don't have enough room in the jails and they're all under 18 anyway so they should just waterboard them live on facebook

get the rest of the public to text in to pay 1 or 2 euro extra for another couple of goes of the wet rag and that would generate a bit of cash too

alexonhisown

frozenfrozen wrote: »

we don't have enough room in the jails and they're all under 18 anyway so they should just waterboard them live on facebook

get the rest of the public to text in to pay 1 or 2 euro extra for another couple of goes of the wet rag and that would generate a bit of cash too

What?

alexonhisown

About 10 lads were in my local park last summer on quads and scramblers, tearing around the park, forcing everyone to get out of their way.

I rang guards, they said they have been trying to catch them for hours, but by the time gardai came they had moved on to their next location.

Its very hard to catch them without causing casualties

Synthol

frozenfrozen wrote: »

we don't have enough room in the jails and they're all under 18 anyway so they should just waterboard them live on facebook

get the rest of the public to text in to pay 1 or 2 euro extra for another couple of goes of the wet rag and that would generate a bit of cash too

If you have ever exceeded the speed limit then the same thing should be done to you as you broke the law as well. Main focus of RSA and Gardai is speed so they would be more interested in you than them as I am pretty sure you exceed the speed limit more or have exceeded it at some point.

Max Headroom

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

None of us on this forum are the same as these guys. FFS are you having a 'stupidest post on Boards ever' competition with yourself lately?

Nah..just some fools on here thinkin theyre all angels ffs...stay in yer cars where yez belong...

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yeah that is really the tone I picked up from reading your earlier post.

Not.

L E A R N T O R E A D................:rolleyes:

death1234567

Cian_ok wrote: »

How much control would that give any teenager?
"Mom, let me do X, or I will commit a crime, phone the police, and *you* will go to prison"

Parents who are scared that their own children would blackmail them in such a manner should have their children taken into social services as they clearly can't raise their own kids.

death1234567

punisher5112 wrote: »

Quite simple really....
Helicopter out and work with crews on the ground but have a specialist scrambler team themselves.
Have patrols in the areas and catch them at the house or when run out of fuel.

That's neither simple nor realistic.

Max Headroom

death1234567 wrote: »

That's neither simple nor realistic.

This aint Mad Max time yet...............:P

Melodeon

punisher5112 wrote: »

...have a specialist scrambler team themselves.

Here we go, fast-forward to 2:07:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4SiLxPEkc

punisher5112

How old is that:-)

Max Headroom

Melodeon wrote: »

Here we go, fast-forward to 2:07:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4SiLxPEkc

An Avatar in a Nascar..:D.brilliant...leave it to Toner to bring him down....doubt if theres that many bike cops thesedays...

Hotblack Desiato

Synthol wrote: »

If you have ever exceeded the speed limit then the same thing should be done to you as you broke the law as well.

Is that sarcasm or did you just completely and utterly miss the point?

Hotblack Desiato

Max Headroom wrote: »

Nah..just some fools on here thinkin theyre all angels ffs...stay in yer cars where yez belong...

I'm no angel. Don't own a car either, never have

BaronVon

It is quite difficult lads, as you all know, it's pretty much impossible to stop a bike that doesn't want to be stopped. The offences being committed would be no licence, no tax, no insurance and more than likely, dangerous driving.

No force is allowed to be used under law to stop a vehicle for the above offences. Section 41 of the Road Traffic Act gives a power of seizure of the vehicle for the above mentioned offences (except d/drive), but it's only applicable in a public place.

Generally, guards will have a list of the likely suspects, but it's a case of catching them safely in the act, in public. Ideally, there should be a warrant that could be gotten from Court to seize bikes parked up on private property, but there isn't (to my knowledge).

So realistically we need the politicians to enact some new laws, cos I think it's a problem that's only gonna get worse.

Here's an article on the London Met doing their bit.....

Max Headroom

Max Headroom wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...you need to really read posts twice....just looking for conflict you are...angryKenna Jealous Therapy....

Never boasted about him, in fact i detest him ,his family for supporting him AND the local judge who NEVER put him away..so there...;)

Nah mate, it's you who needs to read and quite clearly at that
Your post come across as a boast and at the minimum a nonnchalant attitude towards crime, pick your battles or pick your words. I'm not here to untangle your stupidity

Clearly no point in explaining that to you cause your quite thick.


If you detest him and his family so much why did you make them into a story where you tell how much crime they were involved in but then finish on the fact they are road racers and frame it as if that's some penance or free ride that somehow obsolves them of the crime?

Your smiley face tells everyone what they need to know about you and your opinions

If this isn't a boast I don't know what is..
The wink face to remind those of us that have had our bikes stolen that you know the type that steals them but not to worry, some of them practised on our bikes ,so we can all be proud of them in their road racing endeavours.

Max Headroom wrote: »

Reminds me of a lad i know,..a right scumbag, robbed cars, drunk driving,no insurance, riding motox bikes on the road, sold drugs,....what does he do now...He's a road racer......and quite good too...;)

As if a road racer is something to be aspired to, can get a guy away from dealing drugs and robbing cars

And then just to make sure we knew what your views were, if one of us had been the victim of theft

Max Headroom wrote: »

Only post on here if you're squeaky clean and never did anything wrong in yer life..or it'll turn into yet another moanfest..:rolleyes:

It's only lads messing around and stealing a few bikes , your all too precious. Don't have another moanfest about your bikes being stolen.

The original thread was about about thugs riding stolen bikes around

You said you knew someone who was a criminal bit was a road racer now so it's ok and then made several posts saying that everyone in the thread must be an angel. if they had never carried out any uncivil behaviour such as stealing a car, as if that was de rigueur

Your an absolute **** mate and by reading your posts in this thread associate with same

Max Headroom

Kenna Jealous Therapy wrote: »

Nah mate, it's you who needs to read and quite clearly at that
Your post come across as a boast and at the minimum a nonnchalant attitude towards crime, pick your battles or pick your words. I'm not here to untangle your stupidity

Clearly no point in explaining that to you cause your quite thick.


If you detest him and his family so much why did you make them into a story where you tell how much crime they were involved in but then finish on the fact they are road racers and frame it as if that's some penance or free ride that somehow obsolves them of the crime?

Your smiley face tells everyone what they need to know about you and your opinions

If this isn't a boast I don't know what is..
The wink face to remind those of us that have had our bikes stolen that you know the type that steals them but not to worry, some of them practised on our bikes ,so we can all be proud of them in their road racing endeavours.


As if a road racer is something to be aspired to, can get a guy away from dealing drugs and robbing cars

And then just to make sure we knew what your views were, if one of us had been the victim of theft



It's only lads messing around and stealing a few bikes , your all too precious. Don't have another moanfest about your bikes being stolen.

The original thread was about about thugs riding stolen bikes around

You said you knew someone who was a criminal bit was a road racer now so it's ok and then made several posts saying that everyone in the thread must be an angel. if they had never carried out any uncivil behaviour such as stealing a car, as if that was de rigueur

Your an absolute **** mate and by reading your posts in this thread associate with same

:D:D:D:D......You're funny.....get out more

Synthol

Kenna Jealous Therapy wrote: »

Nah mate, it's you who needs to read and quite clearly at that
Your post come across as a boast and at the minimum a nonnchalant attitude towards crime, pick your battles or pick your words. I'm not here to untangle your stupidity

Clearly no point in explaining that to you cause your quite thick.


If you detest him and his family so much why did you make them into a story where you tell how much crime they were involved in but then finish on the fact they are road racers and frame it as if that's some penance or free ride that somehow obsolves them of the crime?

Your smiley face tells everyone what they need to know about you and your opinions

If this isn't a boast I don't know what is..
The wink face to remind those of us that have had our bikes stolen that you know the type that steals them but not to worry, some of them practised on our bikes ,so we can all be proud of them in their road racing endeavours.


As if a road racer is something to be aspired to, can get a guy away from dealing drugs and robbing cars

And then just to make sure we knew what your views were, if one of us had been the victim of theft



It's only lads messing around and stealing a few bikes , your all too precious. Don't have another moanfest about your bikes being stolen.

The original thread was about about thugs riding stolen bikes around

You said you knew someone who was a criminal bit was a road racer now so it's ok and then made several posts saying that everyone in the thread must be an angel. if they had never carried out any uncivil behaviour such as stealing a car, as if that was de rigueur

Your an absolute **** mate and by reading your posts in this thread associate with same

I thought slaughtering wasn't allowed on boards.

CJhaughey

I don't know what time of the month it is for ye but it sounds like a lot of you need a good ride :pac: