Opel Ampera for Ireland?

ei9go

http://www.opel.ie/cars/upcoming-models/ampera-e.html

Wonder is a RHD model coming?

60 Kw. I'll have one of those.

unkel

Nope. Not coming.

Now that PSA have bought Opel from GM anything is possible but expect PSA to strip it down to a slow eco box 60-100 HP as 200 hp will be deemed too powerful for European drivers !!!

cros13

Some rumors now that it might hit UK & Ireland in 2019. The Ampera-e was a major point of contention in the PSA deal and Opel want to become an electric only brand in the next 10 years.
Of course by 2019 it will be more than halfway towards it's next refresh and outclassed by most competitors.

zilog_jones

Anyone know how long Opel will be able to continue using GM technology like this? I assume the Ampera/Bolt was primarily developed in the US.

cros13

zilog_jones wrote: »

Anyone know how long Opel will be able to continue using GM technology like this? I assume the Ampera/Bolt was primarily developed in the US.

Not just technology... The Ampera-e's are being built in the US and purchased by PSA for european sale.

The Ampera-e is mostly LG's technology not GM. An almost entirely South Korean designed car between LG and GM's South Korea design office. AFAIR there was only one american on the core development team.

Guaranteed 200-hp down to 80-100 Hp by the time a LHD is made !!!

zilog_jones

PSA have made many cars that surpass 200 bhp over the past decades (mainly petrol V6 engines), and their current hybrids have a combined power of around 200 bhp (even if they are diesel nonsense). So I'm not sure where you're getting this notion that they don't make powerful cars.

They do need to get their arse in gear and start developing their own EVs though.

PSA are not known for making powerful "average" cars and the Ampera-E will be aimed at you average 1.6 diesel buyer so it's going to be a very stripped down version of the original.

cros13

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PSA are not known for making powerful "average" cars and the Ampera-E will be aimed at you average 1.6 diesel buyer so it's going to be a very stripped down version of the original.

Nah... it will be pretty much the full fat version. Same as the Leaf and Ioniq.
The Ampera-e will probably land here for at least €3-5k more than the base Model 3... won't be a cheap car by any measure.

The price after incentives in germany is €44k for the "1st edition" and €39.5k base.

unkel

Is that because it is built in the USA, so attracts import duties? (Unlike all Teslas for the EU, which are assembled in the Netherlands, hence they do not attract import duties)

No point having them for sale here when you can buy a Model 3 (or probably a BMW 3-series EV) for less...

cros13

unkel wrote: »

Is that because it is built in the USA, so attracts import duties? (Unlike all Teslas for the EU, which are assembled in the Netherlands, hence they do not attract import duties)

Partially, a 10% import duty plus the VAT. And the Bolt is more expensive than the Model 3 in the US to start off.

Tesla's a pretty much assembled in the Fremont factory in the US, they just ship the power train separately from the rest of the car (the glider) to skip the high rate of import duty. Then the Tilburg plant remarries the powertrain with the glider and does the quality assurance.

unkel wrote: »

No point having them for sale here when you can buy a Model 3 (or probably a BMW 3-series EV) for less...

I think having the option to buy it would be good. It's a different class of vehicle that would suit some people the Model 3 wouldn't.

unkel

If it will go for sale, I doubt it will sell more than in single numbers here

KCross

Not looking good on the price front....
https://electrek.co/2017/11/06/chevy-bolt-ev-ampera-e-price-increase-europe/

goz83

KCross wrote: »

Not looking good on the price front....
https://electrek.co/2017/11/06/chevy-bolt-ev-ampera-e-price-increase-europe/

Feckin Eijets. I would say the majority of those orders will be cancelled. Maybe that's what the aim is. I wonder what the signed contracts say and whether a breach of contract could be considered for the customers.

Has the PSA take over of GM happened yet ?

It's possible they can produce it in the numbers required. Though that depends on supply of batteries from LG Chem.

cros13

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Has the PSA take over of GM happened yet ?

It's possible they can produce it in the numbers required. Though that depends on supply of batteries from LG Chem.

Yeah... but the ampera-e had more value to GM by it's effect on their fleet CO2. Selling the cars to PSA they lose that benefit and need to add on a margin to the cars as well.
Under their owned brand they were happy enough to cover costs on the Ampera-e or even make it a loss leader in exchange for the green cred and the fleet averaging, with Opel joining PSA that tolerance ends.