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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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    #242
    Dades
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    Wasn't too weird for Ian Fleming!

    Can't see why it would affect any song. If anything it's more like a lyric than many titles.

    They need a good tune after the last abomination.


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    #243
    MisterAnarchy
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    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    The Property of a Lady would make more sense and would clearly be a lot more catchy. The content of this of course featured in Octopussy as the Sotheby's auction. It was a Fleming short story in his last book, a collection of 3 short stories. It was also intended to be the title of the 3rd Timothy Dalton film that never got made. A lot of it ended up in what became the first (and renamed) Pierce Brosnan film Goldeneye. But more of that unused script remained unused.

    Poor old Timothy ,that third film would have been a big success no doubt.
    Catherine Zeta Jones,Elizabeth Hurley and Anthony Hopkins as the villain .
    Sounds great.

    https://lostmediawiki.com/The_Property_of_a_Lady_(unreleased_James_Bond_film;_1990-1993)
    The Property of a Lady is an unreleased James Bond movie based on the Ian Fleming short story of the same name. Announced at the 1990 Cannes Film Festival, The Property of a Lady was to star Timothy Dalton in his third feature to complete his three-film contract, possibly alongside Elizabeth Hurley, Catherine Zeta-Jones or Lucy Liu and Anthony Hopkins as the villain.[1] The film was ultimately reworked into Goldeneye due to legal issues, which starred Pierce Brosnan (the fifth official Bond actor) following Dalton's contract expiring.
    Plot

    Due to most of the plot of The Property of a Lady being used in the James Bond movie, Octopussy, an entirely new plot was written. The film originally followed Bond as he investigated in Hong Kong a prolific businessman's actions, in an effort to counter terrorist activity and prevent World War III. Some elements from The Property of a Lady survived and were reused in the film. For example, the opening scene of Goldeneye, outside a nuclear facility, was taken from the original version of the film. However, many other elements of the film have not resurfaced.


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    #244
    The Late Late Show
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    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Weird title for a Bond movie. Sounds more like a period drama.

    Also, the song would be difficult to write. :)

    Yes, indeed. It DOES sound like a period drama but perhaps the weirdest title of all was The Hildebrandt Rarity which sounds more like Robert Ludlum I suppose! Both were Fleming short stories. Hildebrandt was featured somewhat in Licence to Kill.
    Dades wrote: »
    Wasn't too weird for Ian Fleming!

    Can't see why it would affect any song. If anything it's more like a lyric than many titles.

    They need a good tune after the last abomination.

    I would guess it would be a song with a different title akin to SPECTRE, Casino or QoS. Skyfall was the only Craig film with the theme song with the same name.
    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Poor old Timothy ,that third film would have been a big success no doubt.
    Catherine Zeta Jones,Elizabeth Hurley and Anthony Hopkins as the villain .
    Sounds great.

    https://lostmediawiki.com/The_Property_of_a_Lady_(unreleased_James_Bond_film;_1990-1993)

    True. That would have been a great film. TD was a wonderful Bond imo and ahead of his time.


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    #245
    Andderzz
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    The best Bond ever is Casino Royale, IMHO.


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    #246
    B.A._Baracus
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    Andderzz wrote: »
    The best Bond ever is Casino Royale, IMHO.

    It's up there IMO too.
    Licence to Kill, GoldenEye, The Living Daylights, Casino Royale. In no order but the four best bonds.

    Dalton was the man looking back. Not only did he nail the cold character but his two movies were genuinely very good. Gritty, adult Bond movies. Dalton said as much himself.


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    #247
    loyatemu
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    License to Kill was a relative flop, which is one of the reasons why they weren't that keen to bring Dalton back after they'd sorted out their legal issues.

    It's years since I've seen L2K but my recollection is it seemed like a fairly mundane 80s thriller and not like a proper Bond film at all. I liked The Living Daylights though.


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    #248
    B.A._Baracus
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    I remember watching that Bond documentary on UTV a few years ago. Bronsan spoke about how the bond movies at the time weren't doing amazing business compared to the Die Hards and others. It just needed to go away.


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    #249
    FunLover18
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    From Russia With Love is the best for me. Dalton was a great Bond but I'm not a fan of his films.


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    #250
    Dades
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    License to Kill was a relative flop, which is one of the reasons why they weren't that keen to bring Dalton back after they'd sorted out their legal issues.

    It's years since I've seen L2K but my recollection is it seemed like a fairly mundane 80s thriller and not like a proper Bond film at all. I liked The Living Daylights though.
    Dalton is my favourite Bond depiction. He had the right mix of everything for me. He (and we) got hard done by for reasons beyond his control. Big fan of Licence to Kill.

    Coincidentally, The Living Daylights was on last night on ITV4. I sat down to watch it at 9pm only to get that "Not available in your area message". Not happy!

    I could have downloaded it, but Bond is for watching when it comes on TV randomly!


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    #251
    MisterAnarchy
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    License to Kill was a relative flop, which is one of the reasons why they weren't that keen to bring Dalton back after they'd sorted out their legal issues.

    Thats not true.
    The producers and studio wanted Dalton back but the legal case went on too long .

    https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a26988704/james-bond-movies-lawsuit/
    Bond 17, though, was still set for a late 1991 release – Dalton would later confirm in 2010 that a script had been completed and the creative team "were talking directors" when the project entered development hell, from which it wouldn't emerge for several years.

    It was a legal dispute between Broccoli's company Danjaq, owner of the Bond film rights, and MGM, parent company of the series' distributor United Artists, that led to what's still the longest hiatus between films in the franchise's history.

    Countersuits were filed, and while the legal tussle surrounding the Bond rights was finally settled in December 1992, this back-and-forth delayed production past the point at which Dalton's original seven-year contract expired.

    "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract," he told The Week in 2014.

    "Mr Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.'

    In May 1993, MGM announced that a seventeenth James Bond film was back in active development, but by now the franchise was moving forward without a leading man.

    With Cliffhanger writer Michael France hired to work on a script, Broccoli reached out to Dalton again, in hopes of convincing the actor to change his mind about quitting the series. He was apparently successful – in August 1993, Dalton told the Daily Mail that production on Bond 17 was expected to begin in early 1994.

    Then the new deal hit a snag: Dalton was keen to film just one more Bond film to cap off his run. Broccoli, though, was keen to ensure a continuity of lead actor after such a long gap between movies.

    Again for The Week in 2014, Dalton recalled: "[Broccoli] said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies, that you can come back and just do one.'"

    Unwilling to sign up for "four or five" more films, Dalton "respectfully declined" to continue in the Bond role and he officially resigned in April 1994.


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    #252
    Tony EH
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    Andderzz wrote: »
    The best Bond ever is Casino Royale, IMHO.

    Damn straight.

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    #253
    razorblunt
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    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Weird title for a Bond movie. Sounds more like a period drama.

    Also, the song would be difficult to write. :)

    Casino Royale probably had the best song of recent Bonds and didn't need to self check.


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    #254
    loyatemu
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Thats not true.
    The producers and studio wanted Dalton back but the legal case went on too long .

    https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a26988704/james-bond-movies-lawsuit/

    fair enough, though the change in actor proved to be beneficial in the end, Goldeneye was a massive hit in comparison to L2K (and indeed all the 80s Bond flicks).

    Interesting that they didn't want Dalton to return for only one film because of the (at the time) 5 year gap - exactly what they're doing with Daniel Craig now.


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    #255
    Dades
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    Interesting that they didn't want Dalton to return for only one film because of the (at the time) 5 year gap - exactly what they're doing with Daniel Craig now.
    Putting off the big decision over a new Bond by pleading with Craig to stay for one more.

    No matter who they choose it'll be a twitter clusterf*ck of people shouting how the new actor should have been a woman, a man, black, white, gender neutral, a smart pine martin or whatever...


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    #256
    The Late Late Show
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    Dades wrote: »
    Dalton is my favourite Bond depiction. He had the right mix of everything for me. He (and we) got hard done by for reasons beyond his control. Big fan of Licence to Kill.

    Dalton was a great Bond. Sadly, he didn't get to make 2 more which could have happened in 1991 and 1993.

    Licence to Kill was very good and very different to any other Bond film made until then. The main problem with it came about due to its timing. First of all, it was released alongside Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Batman. Summer of 1989 was a great one for classic action films. The other issue was audiences were so used to the traditional Roger Moore and Sean Connery type portrayals of Bond (and Dalton's own The Living Daylights had stuck to that formula too) and not ready for a revenge based Miami Vice-style thriller about going undercover to nab a drug dealer.

    A clear decision was made then NOT to release Bond in the summer. All 4 films of Brosnan's were released in the come up to Christmas and returned Bond to his traditional style film. A decision was made perhaps never to have a Bond v Batman film situation again. Bond would not see a summer release until Casino Royale.
    loyatemu wrote: »
    fair enough, though the change in actor proved to be beneficial in the end, Goldeneye was a massive hit in comparison to L2K (and indeed all the 80s Bond flicks).

    Interesting that they didn't want Dalton to return for only one film because of the (at the time) 5 year gap - exactly what they're doing with Daniel Craig now.

    Goldeneye was a very big success and was greeted by most as one of the best Bonds. Ironically, this film's very theme owed much to the 1980s films Octopussy and The Living Daylights which provided the template for the Russian General villain here. A lot of Dalton's persona can be seen in early Brosnan Bond too: like the way he says 'it keeps me alive'. Goldeneye clearly kept some of the gritty Bond of Dalton's films and felt more like The Living Daylights than Die Another Day. Brosnan was actually considered to be Bond in The Living Daylights and he'd have been good doing this too. As would Dalton doing Goldeneye.
    Dades wrote: »
    Putting off the big decision over a new Bond by pleading with Craig to stay for one more.

    No matter who they choose it'll be a twitter clusterf*ck of people shouting how the new actor should have been a woman, a man, black, white, gender neutral, a smart pine martin or whatever...

    The Bond franchise has not liked letting longterm players of the role go. They held onto Connery and Moore for as long as they could, despite both wanting to move on. Now, it is the same with Craig, who is now going to be the third most prolific player of the role after Moore and Connery.

    You can be sure there will be arguments about who they will choose next after Craig is replaced. They will also be talk about whether it was right to reboot it or not depending on what happens next.

    The other issue is whether the next Bonds will innovative or not. The Bond films have been accused of plundering other franchises in the past. For instance, Bruce Lee films, Shaft, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Mad Max, Miami Vice, etc. have all been said to have been aped into Bond films. What I have noted more though is the franchise has often returned to remake its earlier films. Moonraker is Thunderball with a Star Wars makeover and A View To a Kill is heavily inspired by Goldfinger from 20 years earlier.

    What's left to adapt into a Bond film now? Game of Thrones? The Handmaid's Tale? Batman? Breaking Bad? Coronation Street!!!??? Let's hope not the latter anyway.


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    #257
    p to the e
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    Dades wrote: »
    Putting off the big decision over a new Bond by pleading with Craig to stay for one more.

    No matter who they choose it'll be a twitter clusterf*ck of people shouting how the new actor should have been a woman, a man, black, white, gender neutral, a smart pine martin or whatever...

    Oh so only SMART pine martins need apply eh?! You make me sick!


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    #258
    MisterAnarchy
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    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    First of all, it was released alongside Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Batman. Summer of 1989 was a great one for classic action films.

    Yes ,and Lethal Weapon 2 was also released that summer.
    The 3 highest grossing films of the year in the US were Indiana Jones,Batman and Lethal Weapon 2 so it was insanity going for a summer release.


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    #259
    Calhoun
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    I see Cillian Murphy stirring the pot on this one saying the next bond should be a woman.

    Be interesting if the role could be taken by a man or would it be career damaging if they did.


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    #260
    B.A._Baracus
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    Calhoun wrote: »
    I see Cillian Murphy stirring the pot on this one saying the next bond should be a woman.

    Be interesting if the role could be taken by a man or would it be career damaging if they did.

    I like Cillian as an actor but pay no attention to him.
    All sh*te talk out of him as he knows he doesn't stand a chance of getting it. Of course, if he was in the running of being cast he wouldn't be saying how a woman should be bond... Like everything in life, all depends on what side of the coin.


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    #261
    Dades
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    To be fair, he mentioned this offhandedly when someone told him he was being touted.

    Also, to be fair, James Bond is a man's name. There's been buckets of action movies with female leads (recently Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, Tomb Raider, Terminator etc.) It's not big or clever or breaking any new ground to make one.

    /calms down


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    pixelburp
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    Bit of a non story though; he's an actor with no existing relationship to the franchise, who waffled in the manner of ... well, a discussion forum might encourage. Heck this thread has had robust debate on the hypothetical gender swap, but of course outlets love a clickbait headline featuring a celebrity, and thus here we are.

    Whether or not Jane Bond is a good idea or not, Cillian Murphy ain't the one to make the decision!


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    #263
    Calhoun
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    Yah I agree completely, looks to be just fluff to keep the conversation going.

    Would just wonder if you would have a situation like with Johanson pulling out of a film due to her sexuality.


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    #264
    The Late Late Show
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    Dades wrote: »
    To be fair, he mentioned this offhandedly when someone told him he was being touted.

    Also, to be fair, James Bond is a man's name. There's been buckets of action movies with female leads (recently Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, Tomb Raider, Terminator etc.) It's not big or clever or breaking any new ground to make one.

    /calms down

    +1

    Let James Bond be James Bond like June Osborne is June Osborne and Sarah Connor is Sarah Connor. Let's leave the characters as they are originally intended.


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    #265
    JP Liz V1
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    Cillian would make a decent villain, I can't really see him as the main man Bond
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #266
    cdgalwegian
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Cillian would make a decent villain, I can't really see him as the main man Bond


    My wife has the hots for him already. No way I want to see him buffed up for the role as well, and coming out of the sea in Speedos.






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    #267
    FunLover18
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    Now known as No Time To Die. Fairly meh, feels similar to Die Another Day.


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    #268
    B.A._Baracus
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    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Now known as No Time To Die. Fairly meh, feels similar to Die Another Day.

    No doubt he will say it in the movie.


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    #269
    Muller1991
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    Yea No Time To Die seems a bit Meh alrite , Hopefully it's as good as its predecessors and gives Daniel a good send off.


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    #270
    brevity
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    https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1163849192223203328?s=20


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    #271
    pixelburp
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    The synopsis also confirms that Bond starts the film retired, putting more truth on the rumour that there's another 007 at the start of the film...


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