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The trial of Molly Martens

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    #272
    Gatling
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    Wonder how he can explain the lack of finger prints on the bat considering the 2 of them grabbed it at one point
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    #273
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    Crocodile tears aplenty. The repeated 'in fear for my life and my daughter' line was to be expected and expect the defence to try sell it to at least one juror.


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    #274
    keith_sixteen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭keith_sixteen


    fussyonion wrote: »
    I'm just dumbfounded at the amount of people on here commenting on the accused's physical appearance; "I would" and "She's hot".

    Trivialising such a horrible case where two kids lost their father..it just baffles me.

    I doubt anyone would say the same about Joe O'Reilly ("Jaysus I know he killed his wife but I would").

    Why is it somehow funny or ok to make comments like this towards a woman?

    Ah give over. It's only a light-hearted response that means nothing.

    If your worried about trivialising the case, then why is it ok at all to even have a long thread which is essentially gossip. Gossip which gives rise to these comments:

    "she seems a bit unhinged"
    "ah yeah, still would tho"

    Nothing wrong with it in an informal context like here and if you'd like to have everything sanitised then there is no thread at all about this case.


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    #275
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,365 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    In my total lack of experience and lack of knowledge on things like this...this sounds like he was well prepared / trained for giving an answer like this...
    In response to a question of whether he would have protected his daughter from her husband before 2 August 2015, Mr Martens said: "I’m not sure how to answer that."

    Explaining that it was not a simple yes or no answer, he said he would need to know the specific circumstances surrounding any hypothetical occasion.

    edit: also Martens talks about them being in the hallway..yet no mention of the hallway in the prosecution case?


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    #276
    MarcusP12
    Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    Gatling wrote: »
    Wonder how he can explain the lack of finger prints on the bat considering the 2 of them grabbed it at one point

    The first thing I thought when I heard about this earlier in the case was that obviously it was wiped clean to remove evidence that it was her that gave the beating with the bat and not him.


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    #277
    mikeybrennan
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    Cant see how they get away with this

    But nothing would surprise me after OJ


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    #278
    Summer wind
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    Thomas Martens said "I hit him until he could not kill me". Who talks like this? I hope they throw the book at him and his daughter. They deserve it.


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    #279
    Jesus Wept
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    Oj is innocent.


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    #280
    James Bond Junior
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    Jesus Wept wrote: »
    Oj is innocent.

    In the eyes of the law.


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    #281
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    Summer wind wrote: »
    Thomas Martens said "I hit him until he could not kill me". Who talks like this? I hope they throw the book at him and his daughter. They deserve it.
    A FBI agent who knows the judicial system and what to say not say in a court room...


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    #282
    Summer wind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    harr wrote: »
    A FBI agent who knows the judicial system and what to say not say in a court room...

    Yeah that's what I meant. It's one thing him saying he was afraid for himself and his daughter but I thought that statement was a bit much. Don't think he should have been allowed say that.


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    #283
    [Deleted User]
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    Summer wind wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I meant. It's one thing him saying he was afraid for himself and his daughter but I thought that statement was a bit much. Don't think he should have been allowed say that.

    Under what rule of evidence should an accused be prevented from giving evidence of self defence, or defence of family?

    Seriously, every defence of self defence amounts to "I killed him to prevent him attacking/wounding/killing me/someone close to me".

    I don't see one thing wrong with him articulating this. It's the whole point of a very well recognised defence. He is perfectly entitled to say it. The converse would be bizarre, someone with a perfectly good defence but not allowed to say it.


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    #284
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    It looks like he's preparing to take the full rap for her. It's weak though, who brought the paving stone to the fight? I doubt she will take the stand.


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    #285
    RacoonQueen
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    Fakediamond wrote: »
    It looks like he's preparing to take the full rap for her. It's weak though, who brought the paving stone to the fight? I doubt she will take the stand.

    She has to surely, even as a 'witness'

    He hardly used both weapons, who is going to buy that...but if there is no proof she used a weapon and they both deny she used a weapon, she'll walk.


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    #286
    Fakediamond
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    She won't take the stand, she doesn't have to and would be useless under cross examination. He's trained and knows the system. I don't know how he's going to explain the paver though!


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    #287
    Minnie Snuggles
    Registered Users Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Minnie Snuggles


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Martens: Jason Corbett said ‘I’m going to kill her’
    Martens said on Aug. 1, 2015, he and his wife were originally supposed to attend a dinner party, but they canceled. Instead, he said they traveled to the Wallburg community to visit Jason and Molly Corbett and the grandchildren.
    Martens said the aluminum bat was in his garage, and that it was used by his son Stewart when he was younger.

    “I thought (Jack) would think it was cool to get one of Stewart’s bats,” Martens said, referring to his grandson Jack Corbett, for whom he brought the bat to Wallburg

    I'm of the opinion that Jason had told of Molly of his plans to leave her, why cancel their plans and travel to Wallburg. I don't believe the reason he is giving for bringing the baseball bat.


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    #288
    njs030
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    She has to surely, even as a 'witness'

    He hardly used both weapons, who is going to buy that...but if there is no proof she used a weapon and they both deny she used a weapon, she'll walk.

    No she doesn't have to its entirety up to the defendent themselves if they choose to or not. He did because he's a trained witness and is used to taking the stand.


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    #289
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    Judge rules that children's statements won't be allowed...Martins coworker says he is a very calculated person and never acts out on impulse .


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    #290
    Auldloon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Auldloon


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    She has to surely, even as a 'witness'

    He hardly used both weapons, who is going to buy that...but if there is no proof she used a weapon and they both deny she used a weapon, she'll walk.

    He testified that molly later told him she hit Jason with the brick.


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    #291
    Auldloon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Auldloon


    Gatling wrote: »
    Wonder how he can explain the lack of finger prints on the bat considering the 2 of them grabbed it at one point

    The handle of the bat is a rubber material that prints couldn't be taken from.


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    #292
    Jesus Wept
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    harr wrote: »
    Judge rules that children's statements won't be allowed...Martins coworker says he is a very calculated person and never acts out on impulse .

    Not calculated enough... bringing the paving stone into it is a tough one to explain.

    To a less extend, expressing he hated Jason in the run up to the event.


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    #293
    lazybones32
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    Minnie Snuggles wrote: »
    I'm of the opinion that Jason had told of Molly of his plans to leave her, why cancel their plans and travel to Wallburg. I don't believe the reason he is giving for bringing the baseball bat.
    Initially, he said the bat was a gift for the grandson...because the bat he gave a year before that to his grandson...couldn't hit balls as far?...was the wrong colour?


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    #294
    lazybones32
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    Auldloon wrote: »
    The handle of the bat is a rubber material that prints couldn't be taken from.
    But were any skin cells found on the handle? To grip tightly and swing 12 times should leave behind some tissue imo.


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    #295
    screamer
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    Martens hit him hard enough so that he couldn't kill him.......... And instead he killed his son in law........ and that's ok? The dead can't talk. This case must be horrendous for Jason's family. I'm glad his kids will be spared having to testify.


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    #296
    Gatling
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    Auldloon wrote: »
    The handle of the bat is a rubber material that prints couldn't be taken from.

    Actually I believe they can lift prints of multiple surfaces and fabrics including various wrap's on sports equipment
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    #297
    NORWOOD1
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    http://www.the-dispatch.com/news/20170804/martens-jason-corbett-said-im-going-to-kill-her

    So Martens says he hit Jason twice with the bat to the head while Jason holds Molly with his right arm. Takes a third swing and Jason catches the bat mid swing with his left hand, this allows Molly to get away from Jason. Jason pushes Martens across the room (this sounds like something from a movie)

    Martens rushes at Jason and they struggle to get control of the bat, Martens wins the struggle and continues to hit Jason.

    I'm sorry but if a guy can catch a swinging bat with one hand while holding a person who would be struggling to get free and be able to push someone across a room, there is no way he is losing a struggle for a bat.


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    #298
    njs030
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Actually I believe they can lift prints of multiple surfaces and fabrics including various wrap's on sports equipment

    It said in the trial the texture made it hard to lift the prints and those that where lifted were unidentifiable.


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    #299
    John_Rambo
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    I'm guessing the departed's character is going to be assassinated and torn apart over the next few days. The kids lost their mam and now their dad. I just hope justice will prevail and the man is remembered for who he was and not how he's going to be painted by people desperate to do or say anything to avoid gaol.


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    #300
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    I agree, it's unconscionable that they left two small children orphans, for no good reason, really. I hope they get their just desserts, but I'm not optimistic that it will happen.


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    #301
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,511 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    NORWOOD1 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but if a guy can catch a swinging bat with one hand while holding a person who would be struggling to get free and be able to push someone across a room, there is no way he is losing a struggle for a bat.
    Prove it!
    All they need is doubt!


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