The trial of Molly Martens

RacoonQueen

jluv wrote: »

Apologies,not wanting to offend anyone,only following on social media.
But it seemed to me that Jasons family had to actually go to court to get the children back to Ireland.

They did. If I remember, he had left the care of his kids to his sister in his will and Molly fought it, stuff I read at the time suggested her lawyer told her to as it would look good for her to be showing she loved the children and wanted to be their mother etc

Gatling

RacoonQueen wrote: »

They did. If I remember, he had left the care of his kids to his sister in his will and Molly fought it, stuff I read at the time suggested her lawyer told her to as it would look good for her to be showing she loved the children and wanted to be their mother etc

Yes ,he married her but never made her a guardian to the kids ,she was step mom in title only ,
Thank God

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

Yes ,he married her but never made her a guardian to the kids ,she was step mom in title only ,
Thank God

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

smurgen

Gatling wrote: »

Yes ,he married her but never made her a guardian to the kids ,she was step mom in title only ,
Thank God

jesus she sounds like a right piece of work.

fima

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

Wtf! A controlling bully because he wanted his children to live with his family. That's an insane statement to make. I'm a stepmother, I'm not a guardian to my step kids. My husbands not a controlling bully but if myself and my Da ever decide to murder him I wouldn't expect to then gain custody of my step kids ... Does the fact that she felt entitled to custody of the children and insisted that she was their 'Mom' not serve to show that she is a mentally ill twisted individual?

jbt123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

Absolutely absurd comment

RacoonQueen

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

To me it suggests he didn't want her having the kids should anything happen to him. Which speaks volumes, especially given what happened in the end.
Given their mother had passed away, their stepmother adopting them would seem logical - yet he didn't want her to...suggests he thought she was crazy...

edit because I've only noticed your second part of the comment. The people whose care they were left in are the dead mans family, of COURSE they are going to go to the trial in the hope they see his murderers brought to justice. They may also be required to give evidence of the relationship between the two.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

How on earth did you come to this illogical conclusion??

padser

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

It always amazes me how quickly pretty much any topic can get into man bashing with insinuations that the man was abusing the woman.

In this case, we have a man beaten to death in his bed by his wife / father in law.

But yes, the fact he didn't make his wife step mom to his kids obviously shows him to be a controlling bully.

I also noticed that reports indicate he was naked <mod snip>removed wild speculation</mod snip>

monkeybutter

fussyonion wrote: »

I'm just dumbfounded at the amount of people on here commenting on the accused's physical appearance; "I would" and "She's hot".

Trivialising such a horrible case where two kids lost their father..it just baffles me.

I doubt anyone would say the same about Joe O'Reilly ("Jaysus I know he killed his wife but I would").

Why is it somehow funny or ok to make comments like this towards a woman?

Yes it's just another anti-woman agenda

There are women out there who have married cereal rapists and murderers in Prison

Even Hitler had a girlfriend

The pendulum swings both ways

Also are you saying you think Joe o'Reilly is hot, but the whole wife murder thing puts you off him

Hot is Hot

Cork Lass

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

I can't believe this comment. Are you suggesting they should have brought them? Perhaps they should have sat them in the courtroom during the trial so they could be subjected to the gorey details.

baldbear

Paramedics who arrived at the scene said that the victims blood was congealing and his body cold. Sounds like who ever beat him to death had to clean themselves up & get their story straight.

Carry

monkeybutter wrote: »

(...) cereal rapists and murderers (...)

I can never look at my breakfast cereal ever the same again ...

Sorry, off topic. I'm on my way.

CeilingFly

Interesting to see a substantial difference in teh reporting angle between the hysterical Independent who are making it this summer's major story and the local media in North Carolina.

Whilst the death was horriffic, the indo is leaving out quite a bit of information that a normal non hysterical media outlet would report in order to give a propoer balance to the coverage.

In north carolina its barely making news.

ohnonotgmail

CeilingFly wrote: »

Interesting to see a substantial difference in teh reporting angle between the hysterical Independent who are making it this summer's major story and the local media in North Carolina.

Whilst the death was horriffic, the indo is leaving out quite a bit of information that a normal non hysterical media outlet would report in order to give a propoer balance to the coverage.

In north carolina its barely making news.

any links to the north carolina coverage?

bear1

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

Are you mad?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

Eh? Leave his kids with a woman who was nothing to her, and who caved their fathers head in with a baseball bat? That's taking victim blaming and nazi feminism to a whole new level. I hope they throw the book at her

Auldloon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any links to the north carolina coverage?

I'm following it here, not North Carolina. Any others would be welcome.
http://www.the-dispatch.com/news/20170727/witnesses-no-injuries-visible-to-molly-corbett

RacoonQueen

Auldloon wrote: »

I'm following it here, not North Carolina. Any others would be welcome.
http://www.the-dispatch.com/news/20170727/witnesses-no-injuries-visible-to-molly-corbett

Interesting "Bent said he didn’t notice any blonde hairs in Jason Corbett’s hand. During opening statements on Tuesday, defense lawyers Walter Holton and David Freedman alleged that Jason Corbett was clutching a strand of blond hair in his hand."

AGC

CeilingFly wrote: »

Interesting to see a substantial difference in teh reporting angle between the hysterical Independent who are making it this summer's major story and the local media in North Carolina.

Whilst the death was horriffic, the indo is leaving out quite a bit of information that a normal non hysterical media outlet would report in order to give a propoer balance to the coverage.

In north carolina its barely making news.

Bible belt - They would not like the this story having too much publicity for the area. The thoughts of the girl next door and FBI agent committing murder would not sit well.

There will also be the element of trying to 'protect their own' as with the indo who will try and ensure it is in the public eye Ireland to get justice.

Auldloon

The whole thing stinks. I hope justice is served but I wouldn't hold my breath.

jimmycrackcorm

CeilingFly wrote:

In north carolina its barely making news.

Just another murder in the U.S. it's also not an American who died either.

The Australian lady shot by police is also getting much more coverage in OZ than in the States.

iguana

The bit that makes no sense to me is that Martens was an FBI agent. An FBI agent isn't a run of the mill cop. Martens probably had a law degree or some sort of medical/biology degree before ever going to Quantico. He would have gone through specialised training and then had several decades of experience as an agent. As an agent he worked for counterintelligence which means he was pretty good at his job. If he wanted to stage a murder, surely he'd have managed to do a better job of it?

Added to that, the pair are charged with second degree murder, which means intentional but not premeditated. So either the prosecution don't believe that Martens and Martens-Corbett planned the murder or they don't believe they have enough evidence to prove they planned it. Either way it makes a lot of the speculation in the Irish media look very hyperbolic as it's at odds with the actual charge the pair are being tried for. That said the articles in the US media that I have read are no more sympathetic to Martens and Martens-Corbett than the Irish media, just calmer about it.

We are unlikely to ever know what really happened but it isn't unheard of for an abusive husband to be murdered by his victim or a family member. It's also really, really common for strangulation to leave no visible marks. Being naked while attacking a spouse isn't unheard of. Attacking a spouse while her family is in the house is stupid but not unheard of. Refusing to allow her to adopt the children could have been a way to exert control. And domestic abuse victims can often appear to be controlling to people with limited insight into a relationship. On the other hand, Corbett had taken a leap of faith by moving to the US with her and it would be completely understandable if he wanted to keep guardianship of the children to himself only because if he shared it with her, he would be trapped in her country in the event of their marriage ending. If I was widowed, I think I'd be absolutely loath to let a future husband share guardianship of my son, especially if we relocated to his home country. It's also not unheard of to murder someone and claim self-defence. Corbett could have been planning to return home with the children and his wife may have murdered him in anger/in the hope of keeping the children. Really either scenario could be the truth or the truth could be somewhere in the middle.

monkeybutter

objection!!

ohnonotgmail

iguana wrote: »

The bit that makes no sense to me is that Martens was an FBI agent. An FBI agent isn't a run of the mill cop. Martens probably had a law degree or some sort of medical/biology degree before ever going to Quantico. He would have gone through specialised training and then had several decades of experience as an agent. As an agent he worked for counterintelligence which means he was pretty good at his job. If he wanted to stage a murder, surely he'd have managed to do a better job of it?

Added to that, the pair are charged with second degree murder, which means intentional but not premeditated. So either the prosecution don't believe that Martens and Martens-Corbett planned the murder or they don't believe they have enough evidence to prove they planned it. Either way it makes a lot of the speculation in the Irish media look very hyperbolic as it's at odds with the actual charge the pair are being tried for. That said the articles in the US media that I have read are no more sympathetic to Martens and Martens-Corbett than the Irish media, just calmer about it.

We are unlikely to ever know what really happened but it isn't unheard of for an abusive husband to be murdered by his victim or a family member. It's also really, really common for strangulation to leave no visible marks. Being naked while attacking a spouse isn't unheard of. Attacking a spouse while her family is in the house is stupid but not unheard of. Refusing to allow her to adopt the children could have been a way to exert control. And domestic abuse victims can often appear to be controlling to people with limited insight into a relationship. On the other hand, Corbett had taken a leap of faith by moving to the US with her and it would be completely understandable if he wanted to keep guardianship of the children to himself only because if he shared it with her, he would be trapped in her country in the event of their marriage ending. If I was widowed, I think I'd be absolutely loath to let a future husband share guardianship of my son, especially if we relocated to his home country. It's also not unheard of to murder someone and claim self-defence. Corbett could have been planning to return home with the children and his wife may have murdered him in anger/in the hope of keeping the children. Really either scenario could be the truth or the truth could be somewhere in the middle.

He was planning to return to Ireland with the kids but without his wife and had already started to liquidate assets.

monkeybutter

iguana wrote: »

The bit that makes no sense to me is that Martens was an FBI agent. An FBI agent isn't a run of the mill cop. Martens probably had a law degree or some sort of medical/biology degree before ever going to Quantico. He would have gone through specialised training and then had several decades of experience as an agent. As an agent he worked for counterintelligence which means he was pretty good at his job. If he wanted to stage a murder, surely he'd have managed to do a better job of it?

Added to that, the pair are charged with second degree murder, which means intentional but not premeditated. So either the prosecution don't believe that Martens and Martens-Corbett planned the murder or they don't believe they have enough evidence to prove they planned it. Either way it makes a lot of the speculation in the Irish media look very hyperbolic as it's at odds with the actual charge the pair are being tried for. That said the articles in the US media that I have read are no more sympathetic to Martens and Martens-Corbett than the Irish media, just calmer about it.

We are unlikely to ever know what really happened but it isn't unheard of for an abusive husband to be murdered by his victim or a family member. It's also really, really common for strangulation to leave no visible marks. Being naked while attacking a spouse isn't unheard of. Attacking a spouse while her family is in the house is stupid but not unheard of. Refusing to allow her to adopt the children could have been a way to exert control. And domestic abuse victims can often appear to be controlling to people with limited insight into a relationship. On the other hand, Corbett had taken a leap of faith by moving to the US with her and it would be completely understandable if he wanted to keep guardianship of the children to himself only because if he shared it with her, he would be trapped in her country in the event of their marriage ending. If I was widowed, I think I'd be absolutely loath to let a future husband share guardianship of my son, especially if we relocated to his home country. It's also not unheard of to murder someone and claim self-defence. Corbett could have been planning to return home with the children and his wife may have murdered him in anger/in the hope of keeping the children. Really either scenario could be the truth or the truth could be somewhere in the middle.

anyway, while some things are not unheard of, like a previously sane man attempting to strangle his wife while naked and with his father in law there, although I've never heard of it myself, it's not very probable, which is how it will be looked upon

irishgeo

must have been some shock for the paramedics arriving for a heart attack and to find a man with his bashed in.

lazybones32

iguana wrote: »

The bit that makes no sense to me is that Martens was an FBI agent. An FBI agent isn't a run of the mill cop. Martens probably had a law degree or some sort of medical/biology degree before ever going to Quantico.

And he would have plenty of connections through the fbi, with law enforcement agencies, that if domestic abuse was happening, she could have reported it. But i haven't heard of any allegation beyond an inadmissable coached statement that there was ever abuse.

Cork Lass

Cork Lass wrote: »

I can't believe this comment. Are you suggesting they should have brought them? Perhaps they should have sat them in the courtroom during the trial so they could be subjected to the gorey details.

One of them could have stayed home with them. This trial could take weeks. This is the time they need stability and support, not being pawned off on other people.

The rest of my comment was an effort to show another possibility. We're only getting the prosecution side yet.

No matter what the outcome, there are 2 vulnerable children who need all the support they can get. They know better than anyone else the state of their fathers marriage. Personally, I would be at home with them, leaving other family members to attend the court.

jmayo

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that not serve to show him as a controlling bully? Also, the couple who fought for them have left them behind in Ireland while the case is on. So much for stability.

Should they have brought them to court to hear how their Daddy had his skull bashed in with the sons baseball bat.