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The trial of Molly Martens

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    #1892
    walshb
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    It’s beyond despicable that these two monsters could walk..

    Think I’ll just erase this case from my memory....

    Too fooking annoying to think about it.


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    #1893
    forumdedum
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    I am not a violent person but I can safely say if it were my family I would find a way to take them both out & do the time.


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    #1894
    Be right back
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    His poor kids. Both parents gone well before their time. Hope Molly and gang will leave them alone.


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    #1895
    pjohnson
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    Be right back wrote: »
    His poor kids. Both parents gone well before their time. Hope Molly and gang will leave them alone.
    Ms. Psycho will try.


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    #1896
    Mrsmum
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    So it's a retrial. Is that because they didn't accept the plea deal or was it not offered to them ?


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    #1897
    Flimsy_Boat
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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    So it's a retrial. Is that because they didn't accept the plea deal or was it not offered to them ?

    Where does it say it is a retrial?


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    #1898
    Flimsy_Boat
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    Ms. Psycho will try.

    All the Corbetts have to do, for once, is to delay proceedings that Martens brings against them to gain custody until the kids are 18. That's only 2-3 years away.


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    #1899
    Muahahaha
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    horse7 wrote: »
    Update. https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/623049/breaking-molly-and-thomas-martens-granted-release-on-bail.html
    Davidson County District Attorney Garry Frank told FOX8 that he "does not discuss pretrial matters and will neither confirm or deny any plea offers. He added that a retrial is not off the table"

    “I’ve got a number of families, victims of homicides and other cases that have been waiting for their cases to be tried for a long time,” Frank said before the decision. “And we’ve been on an imposed sabbatical on that for the past year. The pursuit of justice is rarely easy and that’s the guiding star that we’re trying to keep our sight on for all of this and we’re here for the duration.”

    What a load of sh1te, this DA has zero intention of there being a retrial because he is offering for their sentence to be reduced from 20 odd years down to 6, like who wouldnt take that deal? Even if you were an innocent man convicted of murder you would still take that deal thinking all your birthdays and Christmasses have come at once. The deal is so good that the DA knows they will grab it with both hands so he gets to avoid a retrial. Its a quid pro quo between both parties.

    The DA in his statement is basically admitting that because there is a back log of murder cases he wants to get this one off his books. The Corbett family will now take a legal case against the leniency of the plea deal, hopefully the DAs own words on his desperation to get this case off his books will be used against him in evidence.


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    #1900
    timfinnegan
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    In a statement this evening, Tracey Corbett-Lynch and her husband David Lynch said that they welcomed the decision by Garry Frank, the District Attorney for Davidson County, to seek a retrial.

    They said: "We look forward to a date being set for a retrial at the earliest opportunity.


    Delighted to hear there will be a retrial. The pair of killers will be back in prison before too long. Hopefully, the presiding judge will increase their custodial sentences.


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    #1901
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    Looks like they have refused the plea deal and opted for a retrial, otherwise why would they court have granted bail? Pics online of Molly leaving jail now.
    If you look at the options, with a retrial they get out immediately and have at least a year at home to prepare their strategy. The father is getting on in years so it's probably the best option for him.


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    #1902
    General Toilet
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    timfinnegan wrote: »


    Delighted to hear there will be a retrial. The pair of killers will be back in prison before too long. Hopefully, the presiding judge will increase their custodial sentences.
    Sadly this will not happen. They will take the deal for time served. The end.


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    #1903
    Be right back
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    Apparently there will be a retrial.


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    #1904
    martingriff
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    forumdedum wrote: »
    Is that article real?

    When they're released they'll make plenty of money selling their story to TV etc. Who says crime does not pay?

    They were out on bail for the first trial so it was seen as that happened they be out now. They did that the last time so why would now be any different


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    #1905
    martingriff
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    Be right back wrote: »
    Apparently there will be a retrial.

    Great if true


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    #1906
    Be right back
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Great if true

    And if so, hope they'll will get another stiff sentence.


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    #1907
    Leg End Reject
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    RTE reporting retrial too, I hope they're convicted of first degree murder.
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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    #1908
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Great if true

    Yes independent stating the plea deal “collapsed” - it’s a full retrial


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    #1909
    martingriff
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    What a load of sh1te, this DA has zero intention of there being a retrial because he is offering for their sentence to be reduced from 20 odd years down to 6, like who wouldnt take that deal? Even if you were an innocent man convicted of murder you would still take that deal thinking all your birthdays and Christmasses have come at once. The deal is so good that the DA knows they will grab it with both hands so he gets to avoid a retrial. Its a quid pro quo between both parties.

    The DA in his statement is basically admitting that because there is a back log of murder cases he wants to get this one off his books. The Corbett family will now take a legal case against the leniency of the plea deal, hopefully the DAs own words on his desperation to get this case off his books will be used against him in evidence.

    If they think they have a great defense and not seen as killers. If the "want to clear the books" was seen as a valid reason to sue someone then all DA's would be sued as up and down the country as that is the reason it is done. To get a quick conviction and to save money


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    #1910
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    Be right back wrote: »
    And if so, they will get another stiff sentence.

    Considering they have chosen a retrial over 2 more years in jail I wouldn't be too sure of that.


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    #1911
    martingriff
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes independent stating the plea deal “collapsed” - it’s a full retrial

    Great.


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    #1912
    martingriff
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    Be right back wrote: »
    And if so, hope they'll will get another stiff sentence.

    They must think they have some great defense and with a new jury anything could be possible. Lets not count chickens before they are hatched. That first trial is gone. Have to prepare for the new one


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    #1913
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    I’m glad they didn’t get some minimum term plea deal but I’ve mixed feelings about a retrial- let’s hope all goes well and the DA achieves the same outcome again . Apparently late 2022 at earliest is when it’s due to commence


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    #1914
    timfinnegan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Considering they have chosen a retrial over 2 more years in jail I wouldn't be too sure of that.

    There is a lot of misinformation being spewed by posters here.

    How do you know they were offered a plea bargain? Where did the DA confirm that a plea bargain was offered?

    There will be a retrial . This is factual, anything about a plea bargain is pure speculation on your part.

    Stick to the facts.

    A retrial is good outcome, the family are happy with this and have stated so publicly. The evidence is overwhelming and I've no doubt they will be convicted a second time by a jury of their peers.

    I hope both killers get longer custodial sentences after the retrial.


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    #1915
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    timfinnegan wrote: »
    There is a lot of misinformation being spewed by posters here.

    How do you know they were offered a plea bargain? Where did the DA confirm that a plea bargain was offered?

    There will be a retrial . This is factual, anything about a plea bargain is pure speculation on your part.

    Stick to the facts.

    A retrial is good outcome, the family are happy with this and have stated so publicly. The evidence is overwhelming and I've no doubt they will be convicted a second time by a jury of their peers.

    I hope both killers get longer custodial sentences after the retrial.

    A retrial is a good outcome as opposed to a plea deal which they were offered. These are the facts. Let's keep your emotions out of it.


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    #1916
    Purple Mountain
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    Will those poor children have to testify in a retrial?

    To thine own self be true



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    #1917
    timfinnegan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    A retrial is a good outcome as opposed to a plea deal which they were offered. These are the facts. Let's keep your emotions out of it.

    Can you post a link that states a plea deal was offered by the DA Garry Frank?

    I know that the DA was considering this option, but decided against it, perhaps because of public pressure.

    I don't believe the Martens were offered a plea deal and can see no evidence to back this up.

    Can you post a link or document that shows they turned down a plea deal that was offered to them?

    I don't believe this to be the case. They would be mad to turn down a manslaughter plea deal, given the amount of evidence against them.


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    #1918
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    timfinnegan wrote: »
    Can you post a link that states a plea deal was offered by the DA Garry Frank?

    I know that the DA was considering this option, but decided against it, perhaps because of public pressure.

    I don't believe the Martens were offered a plea deal and can see no evidence to back this up.

    Can you post a link or document that shows they turned down a plea deal that was offered to them?

    I don't believe this to be the case. They would be mad to turn down a manslaughter plea deal, given the amount of evidence against them.

    It's been all over the papers and this thread the last 4 days.


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    #1919
    RacoonQueen
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    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Will those poor children have to testify in a retrial?

    I think they want to? Based on Sarah's social media pages anyway.


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    #1920
    RacoonQueen
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    Irish times article seems to say that a plea deal may still happen?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/thomas-and-molly-martens-walk-out-of-jail-pending-retrial-1.4531515


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    #1921
    timfinnegan
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Irish times article seems to say that a plea deal may still happen?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/thomas-and-molly-martens-walk-out-of-jail-pending-retrial-1.4531515
    Less than 90 minutes later, Molly Martens walked out of Davidson County Jail. Her father was released shortly after. Lawyers declined to comment on reports of a plea bargain negotiation under way by the Davidson County District Attorney and lawyers for the Martenses – such an arrangement could negate the need for a retrial, a prospect that the Corbett family oppose. But for the moment, Molly Martens and her father Tom are free, pending a retrial of their case.

    I copied and pasted the relevant paragraph from the Irish Times. It does suggest that a plea bargain is being offered. I'd be amazed if the Martens turned it down and terribly disappointed in the DA if it were offered.


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