Why is august the start of autumn in Ireland and not the rest of Europe.

indioblack

Taliyah Purring Turtleneck wrote: »

Where is anybody asking you to accept a date for a season? Where is this harmonisation attempt you refer to? Do your own thing. You don't care when others consider a season to begin and you can rest assured that they really don't give a damn when you think a season starts either.

I'm still waiting for summer - we've had less sunshine here, [southern England], than Shetland. I know what summer is - and this ain't it!
As a Remainer, I'd happily blame the EU for this unseasonable weather, [we seem to be blaming them for everything else over here], but I don't think that will wash.
Speaking of washing, I want a few good days to hang mine out on the line.

Paddy Cow

blueser wrote: »

If you go on the basis that all four seasons are, in theory, the same length (91 days), and that June 21st is midsummer's day (as it is widely known), that would imply that "summer" would have started 45 days before (May 8th). Therefore....
Summer begins May 8th
Autumn begins August 7th
Winter begins November 7th
Spring begins February 6th

Probably a major oversimplification on my part, but that's my take on it. However; For me, august has always been classed as summer (though looking out the window at the moment would convince you otherwise).


For me;
Spring = March to May
"Summer" (!) = June to August
Autumn = September to November
Winter = December to February

That's pretty much the Irish seasons, just off by about a week but we won't get that pedantic :pac:

Marcusm

knickerbocker wrote: »

Seasons are as follows:
Spring- March 21st to June 20th
Summer- June 21st to September 20th
Autumn- September 21st to December 20th
Winter - December 21st to March 20th.

Equinox and solstice.

Interesting that Summer begins on midsummer's eve; is summer just 2 days? Likewise with winter.

odyssey06

1st February isn't Spring, it's definitely closer to Winter than Spring ...

There are bursts of Spring-like weather from the latter part of February but only a novice would put away the winter jacket before Paddy's Day!

Paddy Cow

odyssey06 wrote: »

1st February isn't Spring, it's definitely closer to Winter than Spring ...

There are bursts of Spring-like weather from the latter part of February but only a novice would put away the winter jacket before Paddy's Day!

I wouldn't be putting away the winter jacket after Paddy's Day. The heat goes off in my house in April and that's just for financial reasons If I could afford it, I would be putting the heat back on in the last couple of weeks in August because people can claim all they want that August is the hottest month but it can turn fecking cold (the days might be warmer but they're also shorter and the evenings can be quite chilly). Unfortunately I have storage heaters so can't just turn them on to warm up the place They go on at the end of September and stay on until April. My electricity bills are insane but what can you do?

Agricola

August is summer because it's peak holiday taking time, the worst time to go travelling anywhere due to crowds. It's silly season in politics. The 6-1 News is a half hour long and presented by Angus O' Fabulous or whatever he's called. It's summer because when you think back to when you were a kid, some of the best, school free days occurred in August. It was all sun, Mr. Freezes' and 99's.

BalcombeSt4

The OP is all new news to me.

The school Summer holidays are June, July & August or just July & August.
July, August & early September are the warmest times of the year.

Sometimes a later Easter is in May and Easter is always in Spring.

Hector Bellend

Tis the season to be Jolly

tra la la la la, la la la la

Danzy

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Tis the season to be Jolly

tra la la la la, la la la la

Sure the Christmas Holidays are nearly over.

Widdershins

It's Autumn, shaddap.

Season of mellow fruitfulness. Of course it's not cold!

Danzy

You can see how the season has changed over the last 10 days, growth is changing, can see it in plants, that difference in the morning, the difference in growth, though it is still good, a difference is there, all very slight but when you are out in the fields every day, you can see the change. August is a month of harvest beginning, the end of vigour in plants.

professore

What corner of Ireland is August in autumn? I've been taught from a toddler that summer is June, July and August. First time ever I heard an Irish person say August was autumn was on here, and I'm 46.

lawred2

Mutant z wrote: »

Does anyone find it odd why in Ireland august is the start of autumn while in the UK, and elsewhere in Europe it is still summer, in Ireland the different seasons start a month earlier than everywhere else, why is that.

August is Autumn? Is it? Summer to me!

Victor

Victor wrote: »

Seasons are a social construct as much as a meteorological one. Some places have as many as 7 seasons.

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Did you just assume my season?

railer201

Mutant z wrote: »

Does anyone find it odd why in Ireland august is the start of autumn while in the UK, and elsewhere in Europe it is still summer, in Ireland the different seasons start a month earlier than everywhere else, why is that.

Just look out the window

OldMrBrennan83

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Dr Turk Turkelton

railer201 wrote: »

Just look out the window

So you're saying it's winter?

railer201

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

So you're saying it's winter?

No, Autumn - how anyone could deem today to be a summer's day is beyond me

railer201

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Tis the season to be Jolly

tra la la la la, la la la la

Not yet, come back in three months time.

yesto24

Who said seasons had to be 3 months long?

Cubik

railer201 wrote: »

No, Autumn - how anyone could deem today to be a summer's day is beyond me

But it can be like this in June or July. Cloudy and rainy weather can be very warm. Not that it isn't crap.

goose2005

knickerbocker wrote: »

Seasons are as follows:
Spring- March 21st to June 20th
Summer- June 21st to September 20th
Autumn- September 21st to December 20th
Winter - December 21st to March 20th.

Equinox and solstice.

those are roman seasons, not the same as celtic seasons

Mutant z

railer201 wrote: »

No, Autumn - how anyone could deem today to be a summer's day is beyond me

You can get bad weather in the summer you know, it doesnt mean it isn't summer.

Ubbquittious

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The EU pen pushers have swooped in and taken so much of our individuality and our culture and now we can't even have our own fecking summers anymore?

I think this is the last straw. If they try to force us to harmonise our summers we should vote to have an Ixit. I already have beef with them over the foreign sunny weather they have been sending our direction.

And this entertaining pisstake is brought to you compliments of the nether regions of Brexiters' Europhobia.

railer201

Cubik wrote: »

But it can be like this in June or July. Cloudy and rainy weather can be very warm. Not that it isn't crap.

Some summers are only summers in theory, in practice there is no guarantee of consistently hot sunny weather in Ireland in any of the summer months.

Today is Autumnal to me - 15 deg C and wet. So in theory the weather fits August being described as an Autumn month.

odyssey06

railer201 wrote: »

Some summers are only summers in theory, in practice there is no guarantee of consistently hot sunny weather in Ireland in any of the summer months.
Today is Autumnal to me - 15 deg C and wet. So in theory the weather fits August being described as an Autumn month.

We had days like that in May though too... that'd mean summer is June and July only???

railer201

odyssey06 wrote: »

We had days like that in May though too... that'd mean summer is June and July only???

Could be - it's an unpredictable season in Ireland, some years it hasn't arrived at all hardly - just a few token sunny days here and there. August now appears to have settled down to persistent low pressure weather with cumulonimbus clouds forming to provide continuous showery weather from the Atlantic. I have a weather eye out for a return of high pressure but I'm not hopeful at this stage.

freshpopcorn

Even Argos says it's Autumn now!

Ubbquittious

Deleted User wrote: »

And this entertaining pisstake is brought to you compliments of the nether regions of Brexiters' Europhobia.

Ixiters.

OldMrBrennan83

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odyssey06

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Ixiters.

Surely it has to be Ire-exit ... but if we really want to annoy EU-crats, we should just stay where we are and never change ... thorn at my side and all that!

odyssey06

odyssey06 wrote: »

Surely it has to be Ire-exit ... but if we really want to annoy EU-crats, we should just stay where we are and never change ... thorn at my side and all that!

Surmising you're Irish and not English/British, why would you want to do that? What has the EU ever done to you or your people?

OldMrBrennan83

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odyssey06

Deleted User wrote: »

Surmising you're Irish and not English/British, why would you want to do that? What has the EU ever done to you or your people?

Sure they built some nice roads, but so did the Romans.
It was still the Roman Empire.
They're as bad as the Catholic 'universal' Church.

For starters, where are all our fish gone?
Then there was the euro.
Then there was austerity.
Then there was the horror that is Phil Hogan, EU Commissioner.

They better not start messing with our seasons or clocks, one size doesn't fit all and the seasons as seen from Ireland are not those seen in Denmark or Poland.

Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

What had they ever done to Britain? Their exit was just so they could go more national front and kick out the 'dirty forrins'.

Being Irish he wouldn't have to be brainwashed by the incessant Europhobia of the British print media (Guardian/Observer/Independent excepted) and the space given to vociferous rightwing Tory politicians who scapegoat the EU for Britain's demise since 1945. Or indeed who never tell the truth about how Britain has benefited hugely from EU membership and how it was British politicians who opted out of EU immigration restrictions to take in more immigrants for their economy - most obviously in 2004 when Poland etc joined the EU. Culturally for nationalistic reasons large numbers of British people have been raised on lies about the EU that Irish people have not been raised on. Therefore Europhobia would be more surprising/inexplicable from an Irish person.

ZeroThreat

Imallrightjack wrote: »

Theres only one season in Ireland.the ****ing rainy season.

There's a warm rain season, and a cold rain season.

Right2Write

murpho999 wrote: »

Today is climatically not Autumn, it's still Summer and will be until mid September.

What planet/ continent do you live on Looking at the ditches round here today, I see blackberries ripening and the rowans are coming red etc. Hardly signs of summer.

I agree that the beginning of August is usually more summer like but the end of August is definitely autumn in Ireland. The turn is somewhere in the middle weeks of the month.

odyssey06

Maybe we need to expand our terminology a little...
June and July and clearly 'high' or 'peak' summer.
May is spring summer.
August is summer autumn.
September is late summer (?) or low autumn (?) or ???
October is peak autumn.
November is autumn winter.
December and January is winter.
February is winter spring.
March and April are spring.

odyssey06

Deleted User wrote: »

And fish - you mean the fish in the Irish Box which is so large that the Irish state could never, ever police/prevent non-Irish trawlers from fishing in in the first place?

You should probably just leave your house unlocked then, as you can't 100% police it to prevent burglars from pilfering it. Nice people these Europeans.

We didn't have the wherewithal to maintain our own currency, and our democratically elected leaders (figureheads) just roll over for an EU who doesn't hesitate to interfere in the democracies of member states (look at Italy, Greece).
When the avalanche has already begin, it is too late for the pebbles to cast their vote.

We should probably just ask the EU to tell us what our seasons are then, regardless of whether it makes any kind of sense for us.
We are also probably lacking the wherewithal to maintain our own concept of the seasons, or timezone.
So what's the official EU description of the seasons?

Badly Drunk Boy

murpho999 wrote: »

UK met office use the Equinoxes and solstices as season change dates So Summer started on June 21 and ends on September 20/21. Link Here

Not exactly. It uses the equinoxes and solstices as the start of the astronomical seasons, not the meteorological seasons. (Why can't we have cultural seasons too?) From your own link:

When this occurs on 20/21 March in the northern hemisphere it marks the point at which the northern hemisphere begins to tilt towards the Sun and consequently the beginning of the astronomical spring. Similarly on 22/23 September, equinox occurs again this time marking the point at which the northern hemisphere begins to tilt away from the Sun and consequently the beginning of the astronomical autumn.

Personally, I don't care. I don't believe in seasons, or at least naming them. The weather just changes during the year and the similar weather types happen at similar times of the year, but it's not absolute.

Cubik

Today was certainly miserable - and quite cool. It can be that way in the summer though, just as there can be sweltering hot days in August also.

7 Seconds...

It's because we're Irish!:D

NIMAN

did Summer start this year?

Poor Uncle Tom

It's Autumn, we're a month into Autumn now!

All that free education was wasted on you...........

realdanbreen

NIMAN wrote: »

did Summer start this year?

When I was a kid we were taught that the summer months were May June July. This was the case for centuries and based on animal and plant changes etc. Then some namby pamby Met office pen pusher comes along and says 'I have an idea lets make the summer months June July and August!' Fact is we are now heading into the second month of Autumn.

gramar

Only if you live in Summer Bay.

Badly Drunk Boy

We already had this discussion at the start of the month.

And we've had great weather this year. I cycle to work and have rarely had to wear a jacket over the past few months.

realdanbreen

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

We already had this discussion at the start of the month.

And we've had great weather this year. I cycle to work and have rarely had to wear a jacket over the past few months.

That's another thing, cyclists. One time a fella rode a bike , tuck the right leg into the sock and off you go.Now you have to dress up like a Christmas tree with lycra, helmets, tights gloves etc and head down over the handlebars as if you were in the Tour de France.:rolleyes:

lazybones32

Yes. Let's call every season Summer so people stop being confused.

Mint Sauce

It's still warm enough to wear shorts, so gonna make the most of it.