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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #102
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    John Hotton wrote:
    Lads with all the stuff about big claims in the media, if a car hits me can I make an injuries claim off their insurance?

    Was talking to a lad today who was in a small enough tip in his car and ended up with bruising and soft tissue damage. He ended up with a nice cheque. He said he basically just gave the insurance company medical records and they offered him money.

    Years ago I was knocked off my bike and ended up similar and never did anything. In theory could I have, similar to how it works of someone crashes into you when you are in a car?

    Yes of course you can, that's what's it's there for.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #103
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Mickiemcfist wrote: »
    That's one of the worst I've ever seen, I'd 100% be going to the guards

    I reported it to Traffic Watch, lets see if anything happens.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #104
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    5uspect wrote: »
    I reported it to Traffic Watch, lets see if anything happens.
    Keep on them as that was absolutely desperate and, to be honest, you were incredibly lucky.
    After being fobbed off my my local station, I recently emailed AGS about how I could submit a video. I was told the following by a chap in the DMR Roads Policing Division...
    "You can send an email with the attached video to the Superintendent’s office in your locality. May I ask where your local Garda Station is so that I can provide you with this email address?"
    I emailed back saying that my local station was leixlip and the response was "You can contact Leixlip_DS@garda.ie with any relevant details of your issue"
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  • #105
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I had a very close pass late last year on the N4 (it's in the old thread) and there was a Garda car just at the next Pertrol Station 200m down the road. He gave me a similar address for the Lucan station and I dutifully send on the video and never heard anything again. I figured that with Traffic Watch there might at least be some accountability.

    Couple of years ago I had a close pass in Castleknock and I emailed the station and the responding Gardai was extremely helpful and gave the offender a verbal warning. So it's pot luck really.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #106
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    I wonder could you make a 'vehicular assault' claim against her insurance? Citing the endangerment and stress etc. If nothing else, it would mean her insurance would likely go up next renewal...

    I've no interest in that. I would however see the close pass law enforced.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #107
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    5uspect wrote: »
    I would however see the close pass law enforced.
    ...for the first time :rolleyes:
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #108
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    benjamin d wrote: »
    Is there legal provision to attribute a portion of blame to the taxi in that situation if the cyclist was hit?
    i suspect not, nor should there be. you can't use someone else's bad behaviour as an excuse to drive badly yourself.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #109
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    A cycle lane is a separate lane, so in effect you changed lanes in front of another vehicle at short notice.
    Are you sure about that?
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  • #110
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Did you hand signal that you were going to pull out and vear at least 3 meters across the road in front of a faster moving vehicle ?
    at least 3 metres? i assume you didn't watch the video so. plus, he left the cycle lane approx four seconds before the close pass.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #111
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    at least 3 metres? i assume you didn't watch the video so. plus, he left the cycle lane approx four seconds before the close pass.

    +1. Anyone who thinks he moved off his original line by >3 metres seriously needs an eye checkup.

    Apart from that, in order to continue his progress (due to the parked taxi in the cycle lane) he actually moved out very smoothly and predictably which is exactly how we are supposed to drive/ride. The car would have been still well behind when he finished adjusting his line.

    If the driver did any sort of reading ahead of the road (also how we are suppose to drive) she would have seen a lack of space developing in front of her and would have eased off to let 5uspect get through the tighter part safely. That's a courtesy that drivers extend to each other all the time but it apparently becomes beyond many people as soon as a bike is involved.
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  • #112
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Did you hand signal that you were going to pull out and vear at least 3 meters across the road in front of a faster moving vehicle ?

    A cycle lane is a separate lane, so in effect you changed lanes in front of another vehicle at short notice.

    3m? Really? I agree, you need your eyes checked.

    I think you’re confusing the cyclist doing the veering with the one in front of me. As always, I looked over my shoulder and signalled well in advance, but she was travelling much faster than expected and was clearly not paying attention.

    I cycle this route everyday and have to navigate countless vehicles parked illegally in compulsory cycle lanes.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #113
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    5uspect wrote: »
    I cycle this route everyday and have to navigate countless vehicles parked illegally in compulsory cycle lanes.
    Just to pick up on a term you used: the solid line along the cycle path indicates a mandatory cycle lane (not compulsory cycle lane) which means that it is mandatory for cars to stay out of them.
    Only contra-flow cycle lanes are compulsory. You can legally cycle outside of all other cycle paths.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #114
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Just to pick up on a term you used: the solid line along the cycle path indicates a mandatory cycle lane (not compulsory cycle lane) which means that it is mandatory for cars to stay out of them.
    Only contra-flow cycle lanes are compulsory. You can legally cycle outside of all other cycle paths.

    Ah yes, you’re right, I used the wrong word. For some reason I’m not thinking straight today.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #115
    magicbastarder
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    i suspect that was a driveby post.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    (This thankfully isn't my footage)
    Dublin Bus #37 performs a number of dangerous driving manouvres...

    https://twitter.com/Dublin_Suzy/status/1214293583550959617

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/punishment-passing-cyclists-claim-some-drivers-overtaking-too-close-on-purpose-1.4137530
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #117
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Slowing down to make a right hand turn having signalled myself and car behind me proceeds to overtake me on the wrong side of the road and on a stretch of road where two cars would struggle to fit through.

    Realized just as I was about to make the turn that they weren't slowing down let alone stopping so stopped myself.

    Local Garda station who I normally find to be decent had zero interest in listening to my complaint.

    Next time someone pulls a stunt like that I'm going to be sorely tempted to see if I can catch them and take it out on their paintwork.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #118
    magicbastarder
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Interesting find for the day
    he pulled across in front of you?
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #119
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    One really stupid response to that...
    "Driver is in the wrong chasing him like that. But all cyclists should wear hi-vis jackets. I never go out without one day or night."
    :rolleyes:
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  • #120
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    another cyclist down?
    https://twitter.com/clicky_here/status/1217007915514593280
    Post edited by CramCycle on


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  • #121
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1217086368939237377
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #122
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://twitter.com/theaislinnhayes/status/1217154671732842497
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #123
    Dr_Colossus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/theaislinnhayes/status/1217154671732842497

    Came on to check if there was any notice of above, came on the scene later and suspected it involved a cyclist. Blue van with "park anywhere lights" in right hand lane and bicycle up against the wall on the bridge with a few people standing around.

    Ridiculous you can't make a witness statement. Saw a driver strike a cyclists with his wing mirror on the quays a year or two ago who continued on, effectively a hit and run. Reported it to TrafficWatch who in turn contacted Gardaí but they wouldn't take my statement a few months later as the cyclists hadn't reported it.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #124
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I work right beside Tara Street. An absolute mess for cycling. It's 3 / 4 lanes in places, all fast moving traffic despite it being a 30kph zone and not even a token bike lane. A complete shambles right in the centre of the city thats 100% devoted to motorised traffic.

    Insane lane swerving there too as people try to skip the queue to turn left there. Have seen people swerve all the way across from the far right lane to jump the queue at the last second on more than a few occasions.
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  • #125
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I work right beside Tara Street. An absolute mess for cycling. It's 3 / 4 lanes in places, all fast moving traffic despite it being a 30kph zone and not even a token bike lane. A complete shambles right in the centre of the city thats 100% devoted to motorised traffic.

    You know what, I only partially blame the motorists who speed there at much >30kph, I blame the fools that designed the road that way and continue to allow the road to remain designed that way.

    A 4 lane road, whether in a built up area or not fosters a driving culture that is the opposite of calm, it subconciously tells drivers - "we want to carry as much traffic through here as quickly as possible".

    Any signage put in telling motorists to slow down, mind pedestrians, mind cyclists etc. is incongruent with, and is going to be cancelled by the much more powerful subliminal message of how the road looks.

    Exactly the same deal with the quays which look like dual carriageways. Why would you have to do 30kph on a dual carraigeway ? It doesn't make sense.
    Who plans central city roads like that ? Its the polar opposite of traffic calming . It's nonsense.
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  • #126
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    daragh_ wrote: »
    Nearly wiped out here last night around 7.

    I was in the bike path - a Beemer came up the filter on the left as I was passing and just kept going. There's a stop sign which they ignored.

    Lyzyne Deca Drive, flashing Cree, Hi Viz Jersey and full street lighting are no match for complete lack attention and inappropriate speed.

    I managed to escape without coming off by swerving right out onto the road (from the bike path) but for a few seconds it was touch and go. Any traffic behind me and I would have been toast.

    I had a similar incident over a year ago here. Similar junction but lots of backed up traffic, a driver pulled out of the far side of junction and I went over the handlebars. A second car coming up the main road the opposite direction drove over me and my bike and didn't stop.

    Also cosplaying as a Xmas tree in high-vis, IXON Core front light, SeeSense back light.
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  • #127
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    aah, wouldn't it be nice if the quays were like this...


    https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1216052575939833858
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #128
    Plasmoid
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭Plasmoid


    sy_flembeck wrote: »
    Not really, what are they meant to do with it? No complaint from the injured party means legally the incident didn't happen.

    Dangerous driving?

    I thought the decision to prosecute or not in Criminal Law cases was up to the DPP, not the Gardai. Surely if they'd struck a wall, the Guards would (or hopefully should) be interested in following up regardless of reports from the wall.
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  • #129
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    aloooof wrote: »
    I'm recently back from Amsterdam and all I could help thinking was:
    1. "I wish Dublin was like this".
    2. "I'd absolutely hate driving in the city".

    After visiting places that have gotten it right, it seems so obvious that cities should be built for people and not for cars.


    I did some travelling (by car unfortunately) around in rural NL in November and what stuck me even more that the number of bikes in the cities was seeing lovely separated cycle tracks running parallel to the roads between cities and towns.,

    Even more striking again was seeing cyclists (obviously not half as many as in the cities), but of all ages including schoolkids happily riding these routes even in the most rural parts between cities and towns. I couldn't imagine seeing anything similar Ireland where intercity city/town support for cycling is virtually non-existant.

    I think that there, is possible even greater of a marker of a great cycling culture, where ordinary people not only cycling in numbers in the cities, but are using cycle routes to go these longer distances. I think when you remove all the danger and apprehension that goes with having to share the road with (and particularly with hostile) traffic, what you're left with is pure stress relieving enjoyment. I also think if you do that many more people will jump for those options even on longer distances.

    The really sad thing is it could be so similar here, if only our policitians would open their eyes, but they still prefer to spend most of their time banging on about electric cars in any talk about sustainable travel.
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  • #130
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Maybe we could try this :D...

    https://twitter.com/jeremyburge/status/1217122852765229058

    ...and if you doubt that it's real then take a look @ it on Streetview (on all four fourners)
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  • #131
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It's pretty much standard for grid systems over there. Having spent a good bit of time over there it actually works quite well for the most part. As long as you don't have tourists driving ;) . Means there's always a walk light in some direction, no dead time where it's all car traffic and no pedestrian time so pedestrians effectively have full priority. I prefer it to our system of having to stand and wait while traffic turning left/right has the priority tbh.
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  • #132
    Breezer
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    Duckjob wrote: »
    I did some travelling (by car unfortunately) around in rural NL in November and what stuck me even more that the number of bikes in the cities was seeing lovely separated cycle tracks running parallel to the roads between cities and towns.,

    Even more striking again was seeing cyclists (obviously not half as many as in the cities), but of all ages including schoolkids happily riding these routes even in the most rural parts between cities and towns. I couldn't imagine seeing anything similar Ireland where intercity city/town support for cycling is virtually non-existant.

    I think that there, is possible even greater of a marker of a great cycling culture, where ordinary people not only cycling in numbers in the cities, but are using cycle routes to go these longer distances. I think when you remove all the danger and apprehension that goes with having to share the road with (and particularly with hostile) traffic, what you're left with is pure stress relieving enjoyment. I also think if you do that many more people will jump for those options even on longer distances.

    The really sad thing is it could be so similar here, if only our policitians would open their eyes, but they still prefer to spend most of their time banging on about electric cars in any talk about sustainable travel.

    Yep, I remember cycling along the polders as a kid on holidays there. The road below on one side and the sea on the other and we just went all day at family pace. It was lovely! Must have been nearly 25 years ago now
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #133
    Breezer
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    Stark wrote: »
    It's pretty much standard for grid systems over there. Having spent a good bit of time over there it actually works quite well for the most part. As long as you don't have tourists driving ;) . Means there's always a walk light in some direction, no dead time where it's all car traffic and no pedestrian time so pedestrians effectively have full priority. I prefer it to our system of having to stand and wait while traffic turning left/right has the priority tbh.
    The Germans do it too, and for all their BMW manufacturing and autobahns it seemed to work pretty well.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #134
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Breezer wrote: »
    The Germans do it too, and for all their BMW manufacturing and autobahns it seemed to work pretty well.

    Italy and France too. Makes complete sense of course, when turning you should give right of way to pedestrians going straight, green light or no green light.
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  • #135
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I was passed with a foot or less to spare in Phibsborough heading inbound this evening, despite being what I considered reasonably far out from the kerb to discourage this. Totally pointless MGIF: the lights at Doyle's Corner were red up ahead, there was a queue of traffic, and I passed her out again within 5 seconds. I lost it, which I don't often do: stopped and roared "You got far, didn't you?" at the driver. I felt a bit bad when I saw it was some young one who looked confused and terrified in equal measure at this man on a bike shouting at her.

    I was looking at the Fly 12/6 CE combo as secondary (or perhaps primary) lights/cameras last night, and I think I'm going to get myself a late Christmas present. I don't scare easily but the level of muppetry seems to have increased since the new year for whatever reason.
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  • #136
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Breezer wrote: »
    I lost it, which I don't often do: stopped and roared "You got far, didn't you?" at the driver. I felt a bit bad when I saw it was some young one who looked confused and terrified in equal measure at this man on a bike shouting at her.

    These are the people that kill cyclists and then get a suspended sentence.
    But if she was confused she has no idea what happened and will do it again.
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  • #137
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I don't think the driver in that case gave a ****. I've noticed it a lot these days whether I'm out for a jog, cycling or driving. They don't give a **** about stop or yield signs no matter who's on the road already, just drive straight out and leave it to everyone else to react.
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  • #138
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    They usually make **** of the cycle lanes in the process too. Those cracks and potholes aren't from bicycles.
    Post edited by CramCycle on


  • #139
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    droidus wrote: »
    Yup, the bigger the car the bigger the c*nt.

    https://twitter.com/karlstanley/status/1217863730584793090


    I'd be taking a snap of his insurance disc, and email the pic above to them referencing his policy number plus some helpful supporting docs like a google map of the street and signage denoting the contra flow bike lane.

    Probably wont have any effect but might give these toerags a bit of unease if they know their f**kology is being reported directly back to their insurer.
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  • #140
    magicbastarder
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    Duckjob wrote: »
    I'd be taking a snap of his insurance disc, and email the pic above to them referencing his policy number plus some helpful supporting docs like a google map of the street and signage denoting the contra flow bike lane.
    might be worth tweeting one of the insurance companies to ask how they would respond to such an email?
    however, i suspect their response would be that it's not actionable, and even 'a customer breaking the law does not necessarily put us at higher risk of having to make a payout' - even though penalty points on your licence is used as a metric for how safe a driver you are.
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  • #141
    magicbastarder
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    i'm more exercised by people doing personal business in commercial vehicles. which is more of a tax issue than an insurance issue, really.
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  • #142
    Wishbone Ash
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I had a warm response from Axa when I emailed their fraud dept about drivers doing commercial work in private vehicles....
    They may have already notified their insurers. I am sometimes required to use my car for work duties (and I don't mean travelling to and from work). My car is private and my insurance policy is private but my insurance company have been notified.

    If anything, it's probably costing them more as they are not benefiting from commercial tax, VAT rebate etc.
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  • #143
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,012 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i'm more exercised by people doing personal business in commercial vehicles. which is more of a tax issue than an insurance issue, really.
    I'd say 99% of taxi drivers are guilty of this.
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  • #144
    Mc Love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    My own one today (NSFW) - understandable as I touched the side of the van, they were that close.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2h_v0cwWEc
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  • #145
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mc Love wrote: »
    My own one today (NSFW) - understandable as I touched the side of the van, they were that close.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2h_v0cwWEc
    That's one for the gardai. Looks like he didn't even cross the solid white line.
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  • #146
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Some good news in relation to close passes...

    https://twitter.com/sticky_bottle/status/1219396718896336897
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  • #147
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ...and another ignorant idiot is spotted on camera...

    https://twitter.com/AlanDub13/status/1219568639705305089
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  • #148
    Mc Love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    mr spuckler wrote: »
    You report incident to TW, they contact local station, investigating Garda from the station will then take the footage.

    Will you get a pulse number or should I ask for it?
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  • #149
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ...another one from twitter...

    https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1219346706841710592
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  • #150
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    coming up newtownpark avenue about 15 or 20 minutes ago, someone in a black BMW decided to pull out of a side road and into the cycle lane as i was passing. missed me by about a foot; we were both going slowly at that stage but i genuinely would not know whether it was deliberate or accidental on their part. they probably were still asleep.
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  • #151
    magicbastarder
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    a mate of mine cycles from very near there into the IFSC. i suspect you may have crossed paths once or twice.
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