Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

Idioteque

Steoller wrote: »

My incident from last year has finally wound its way through the courts system, so I feel I should share the conclusion.

Fair play for seeing it through. I wonder what his plan was if you said you did give him the finger.

Enduro

CramCycle wrote: »

Either way, I'd prefer him to the d1cks who run towards you on narrow paths. At least you can slow behind him and overtake when safe, d1ck in Clonskeagh who runs contraflow. You have to stop and he still comes at you and almost tuts at you for stopping even though he never breaks his line.

As for why the cars do that, it is simple association, they can see themselves in a runner. A cyclist, for many, I can never understand why, they just think as sub human, it is very weird.

Is that "path" a cycle path or a footpath? I'm not so sure that the self-entitled drivers are any more empathetic to runners, from my own experience.

Thinkingaboutit

Idioteque wrote: »

Your Comment.

Say no more.

Yeah, the aggressive, self righteous dope transcends all classes of motorist. Slowing them down temporarily gives them a right to menace a cyclist. Enough aggressive 121 and 192 drivers like that.

Seth Brundle

Professional drivers :rolleyes:
N4 eastbound approaching J4 - a Dublin Bus passed me just before these two and he had no difficulty waiting for a safe point before making his manouvre.

(again, I got a wee scare when bus #1 went past and said something NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCPwvwVW7E

Seth Brundle

"Content not found" for that tnegun

MojoMaker

You are sh***ing me, illegal not to have hi-vis on? On what planet is this muppet consuming and believing this BS???

You have got to take it further, and point out specifically the belief of this driver to the management team so they can educate the rest of the fleet. You need to do this for all of us.

RobertFoster

Nearly had a head on collision with another cyclist on the Clontarf track today. Just before the causeway heading into town, a couple of lads heading towards Howth in single file on what looked to be fat bikes. The second man decided to pull out from behind the first and into my path when we were nearly on top of each other.

I let a roar and braked and he pulled in behind his friend again. I thought no harm no foul, these things can happen, but then he irked me by shouting "wrong side!" and pointing to the pedestrian side of the white line

An understandable mistake I suppose if he was new to the path. Just goes to show how inconsistent cycling infrastructure is here. Whatever about changes from one council area to the next, you can be on the same track and the layout can change a few times in a short stretch.

RobertFoster

kenmm wrote: »

I am not sure where exactly on the track that is

It was on the straight section that's parallel to James Larkin Rd.: https://goo.gl/maps/b6UjfpfftqXboXWH9

raheny red

Not making excuses but the sun was nasty heading out towards Howth around 9 this morning.

RobertFoster

raheny red wrote: »

Not making excuses but the sun was nasty heading out towards Howth around 9 this morning.

It was ~midday

Stark

https://www.thejournal.ie/pedestrian-seriously-injured-van-raheny-5033826-Mar2020/

magicbastarder

RobertFoster wrote: »

It was on the straight section that's parallel to James Larkin Rd.: https://goo.gl/maps/b6UjfpfftqXboXWH9

tragically, a pedestrian has been killed by a van on that stretch of cycle lane.

A woman has died after she was struck by a van that had entered the cycle path in Raheny, Dublin.

The pedestrian, a female in her 30s, received fatal injuries in the incident that occurred on the James Larkin road shortly after 7pm this evening.

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-30s-dies-after-being-struck-by-a-van-in-dublin-39015833.html

Zulu

Jesus, thats my route and I feel safe because it's off the road from traffic. Your man must have been going some belt to "propel her body into the sea".

I've often seen CC vans emptying the bins, but it's always in the morning, and they are always crawling along less than walking speed in fairness.

Poor woman, poor family. RIP.

magicbastarder

Steoller wrote: »

I can't see that quote about being propelled into the sea on any of the news articles - do you have a source? (not disputing, just haven't seen it.)

from the link i posted:

It’s understood that when the woman was struck, she was propelled into the sea where her body was later recovered.

Zulu

Steoller wrote: »

I can't see that quote about being propelled into the sea on any of the news articles - do you have a source? (not disputing, just haven't seen it.)

Journal ninja edit. Cant see it in the article now either.

Sorry in the indo: https://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-30s-dies-after-being-struck-by-a-van-in-dublin-39015833.html

Seth Brundle

McGrath5 wrote: »

Does anyone use these pedestrain lights often? I find them another horror spot on my commute, drivers hate stopping. I always have to make sure they are stopped before proceeding. One woman yesterday broke the red light by 2 seconds, she looked at me, I looked at her and she closed her eyes and drove on through

To be honest, that could be any set of lights these days.
Pretty much no chance of a driver being caught breaking a red light or anything else so they keep doing it.

Zulu

It something else. She was a jogger - not that that matters. Driver came down the kilbarrick road, turned right onto the footpath (which was something else considering the turn), and proceeded 1km along killing the poor woman (mum of 4).
No arrest yet.
"Medical condition" whatever the heck kinda condition that might be.

magicbastarder

Jogger killed when hit by van on walkway was mother-of-four
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/jogger-killed-when-hit-by-van-on-walkway-was-mother-of-four-1.4193893

Idleater

Not a real miss, but a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Was following a taxi who turned right ahead of me. I thought they took the bend a little wide so I slowed. Anyway, they proceed to do a u-turn so I stopped as they weren't going to make it in one go.

Cue the car who followed me, and was now blocking the junction, beeping at me. I turned to look at them, pointed at the taxi (now back on "my" side of the road) and just shook my head.

tuxy

micar wrote: »

There is a complete inability of some motorists to read the road ahead of them.

Them blocking the junction is somehow someone elses fault.......ok ultimately the taxi driver

Yes prime example of this is the dangerous overtake to reach the red light that's right in front of them.

Idleater

crisco10 wrote: »

Could they have been beeping the taxi driver?

Nope, they pointed at me to pull up nearer the taxi so they could get out of the junction. Just as the driver was reversing to where they wanted me to go.

Seth Brundle

Grand (but damp) spin to work this morning were it not for the Toyota Avensis (12-D-44188) that passed by me closely between the train and canal bridges at Adamstown.
He ended up having to stop at the red lights at the canal and I caught up wth him. His response to why he passed me in such a close and dangerous manner was "why wasn't I using the cycle track?"
I'm tired of interacting with people ignorant of the rules

tuxy

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Grand (but damp) spin to work this morning were it not for the Toyota Avensis (12-D-44188) that passed by me closely between the train and canal bridges at Adamstown.
He ended up having to stop at the red lights at the canal and I caught up wth him. His response to why he passed me in such a close and dangerous manner was "why wasn't I using the cycle track?"
I'm tired of interacting with people ignorant of the rules

Imagine drivers speeding up to close pass any pedestrian that crossed without a designated pelican crossing. Because that's the equivalent of that mentality.

GBX

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but are you allowed cycle there? Looks like a dual carriage and I thought cyclist weren't allowed along with low power motorbikes.

It's the N7 - at Citywest. Which cyclists are allowed on. Motorways are where restrictions apply.

Stark

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but are you allowed cycle there? Looks like a dual carriage and I thought cyclist weren't allowed along with low power motorbikes.

You're thinking of a motorway. It's perfectly legal to cycle on a dual carriageway.

tuxy

Dual carriageways are N(national) roads.
Cyclists may use all L(local),R(regional) and N(national) roads unless these is a bylaw in place making it illegal.

Dr_Colossus

tnegun wrote: »

Usual ****e this morning, take the lane to prevent close passes car over takes into oncoming traffic then some a$$hat rolls down his window and starts shouting at me to get off the road :mad::mad:

Pity you didn't have a bidon of sour milk to give him a taste through the inviting open window.

Seth Brundle

Yesterday on the N4 heading home from work. 07-D-52004 Pulls in front of me, just because!
The motorcyclist and driver (driving illegally in the 24hr bus lane) behind me both offered me a level of courtesy that the CRV driver was unfortunately unable to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4IqtkmY4g

Seth Brundle

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm not familiar with cycling on that stretch of road, but just out of curiosity, how come you didn't use the segregated cycle lane?

Narrow path shared with pedestrians and slow cyclists (and I can often exceed 50km/h) and with junctions where I cede priority, take your pick.

tuxy

If drivers were to try these bike lanes they would see how unsuitable they are for many cyclists. But of course they never will.
I don't know about Dublin but the ones near me are unusable as the surface is never repaired.
The only time I have been hit by a car I was in a cycle lane, never again until they are designed completely differently and maintained correctly.

Seth Brundle

VonLuck wrote: »

Fair reasons. Although I can also understand some drivers frustrations (even as a cyclist myself) when a cyclist is on the road when there is a dedicated cycle lane. Not necessarily this situation as it's a bus lane, but for instance on the road from the KCR to Templeogue Road some cyclists tend to cycle on the road instead of the segregated lane. As the road is so narrow, it's next to impossible to overtake safely and it ultimately slows up traffic.

The vast majority of drivers will see a perfectly good cycle lane. What they won't see is the surface covered with glass and stones. They won't notice the parts when all of a sudden the cyclist must stop to allow cars to turn or when the cycle lane suddenly ends steering the cyclist out into traffic.
On part of my commute where I do use the stone covered cycle path, I'm suddenly forced to merge with left turning traffic including massive trucks (Adamstown & Nangor road junction).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSbLUn0FG3k

(I predicted this and was behind the truck in this despite how it looks)
This is a brand new build where it could have been done right but of course was designed by someone who no doubt hasn't been on a bike in over forty years.
At the end of that particular cycle path, when I'm heading home, I must either exit a roundabout in the wrong direction (against traffic) or get off my bike and walk across the road. I asked SDCC about this and was told that I must dismount and walk - again this is brand new infrastructure which could easily have been built correctly.
Cycle infrastructure is designed to get cyclists out of the way of more important road users rather than designed for cyclists to actually use!

In terms of my video on the N4 where the driver pulled in front of me, I had right of way. I was travelling in a perfectly legal manner. The driver knew I was there. But because I'm on a bicycle, seemingly because of years of conditioning by media etc, it's widely acceptable to drive this way, sure I'm only a MAMIL pleb :rolleyes:

tuxy

There's no doubt the cycle lanes in Ireland are not fit for the purpose designed and very dangerous.
The only people who question that statement have never used them.

Duckjob

VonLuck wrote: »

Fair reasons. Although I can also understand some drivers frustrations (even as a cyclist myself) when a cyclist is on the road when there is a dedicated cycle lane. Not necessarily this situation as it's a bus lane, but for instance on the road from the KCR to Templeogue Road some cyclists tend to cycle on the road instead of the segregated lane. As the road is so narrow, it's next to impossible to overtake safely and it ultimately slows up traffic.

Anyone in this age of ultra-congestion who insists on driving into city centres with an empty armchair beside them and/or an empty sofa behind them has no business getting frustrated with anyone except themselves and others that also insist on doing the same.

Seth Brundle

Heading home yesterday in the rain and on two separate roundabouts, a driver felt the urgent need to pass me closely in order to join the back of the queue.
I was wearing my rain jacket and had two rear lights yet speaking to one of the drivers she was unaware that she overtook me

Anyhow, both are on video but given the dickhead this morning, I'll let them pass. Just watch the impatient driver of this Roadstone truck (12-CN-2488)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvTketWmviQ

His truck has a number of stickers warning people about blind spots and to take care :rolleyes:

buffalo

Seth Brundle wrote: »

His truck has a number of stickers warning people about blind spots and to take care :rolleyes:

Friendly tip - point your front camera down a bit more. It'll take in less of the sky, and the ground and traffic details will lighten and be more visible.

Unless you want to get shots of the beautiful sky.

Seth Brundle

buffalo wrote: »

Friendly tip - point your front camera down a bit more. It'll take in less of the sky, and the ground and traffic details will lighten and be more visible.

Unless you want to get shots of the beautiful sky.

The bracket needs replacing! The Fly12 brackets are brutal!

Seth Brundle

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you not meant to yield here?
You're the one merging with a lane


Honestly need to know this one

FFS
I am in primary position in the bus lane. I don't have to yield to anyone. There is no yield sign.
Even if I did have to yield (which I don't!), it is not an excuse to decide to pull in when there's someone already moving there.

Stark

Isn't the bus lane for buses/taxis/cyclists, not private vehicles?

Honestly need to know this one.


Fair enough, it turns into a left turn lane but you still wouldn't just blindly pull into it if there was another vehicle coming up behind. Buses/taxis aren't expected to yield unless there's an explicit yield sign there. (which there isn't).

Duckjob

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh give over. If people, rightly, call for separation of traffic, don't be surprised when others complain that the separate facilities are not used.


I used the cycle lane in Templeogue for years and saw so many people just use the road

They can complain all they want. Until they recognise that they themselves are the root of congestion problems I'm not really interested in their complaints.

FWIW Given how feral and dangerous the roads have become with poor and reckless driving in the last couple of years I personally prefer to separate myself as much as possible from the nonsense when on my bike, so I'll generally take bike paths where it's safer and also reasonably practical to do so.

buffalo

average_runner wrote: »

True, he was in there first so car was wrong.

Something to watch there, anyone in the bus lane will have to give way there if level with traffic on the right as bus lane is joining the other lane.

The bus lane is not merging - the bus lane becomes a traffic lane, so now the same lane is open to private traffic. The rules for changing lanes apply - yield to traffic already in the lane.

buffalo

average_runner wrote: »

True it's not merging but represents the end of the bus lane.
Be an interesting one in court. Anyhow just be careful there.

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you not meant to yield here?
You're the one merging with a lane


Honestly need to know this one

Here's a bus lane merging: https://goo.gl/maps/LpccU3GTKNz7rx6n6

Spot the difference: https://goo.gl/maps/QHU5DkgvHkatNugN8

axer

tnegun wrote: »

Jesus https://twitter.com/i/status/1237860706449371143

Not sure what to think about someone cycling on that road :eek:

RobertFoster

Deleted User wrote: »

This is it though, the CRV was not changing lanes. They were in a lane which splits, they did not cross over any lane markings.


Now all the above is my taking on the rules, honestly happy to get someone show me different.

It was changing lanes. On that section it goes from:

Bus lane | Lane 1 | Lane 2 | Lane 3 to Lane 0 | Lane 1 | Lane 2 | Lane 3

The car went from Lane 1 to Lane 0. Seth Brundle went from (stayed in) Bus Lane to Lane 0. Note the arrow on the road: https://goo.gl/maps/cyazCM9HPYCJUkwr9

buffalo

Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn't matter if the yield is there or not though.
The bus lane ends with a broken white line and you are changing lanes leaving that.


The car is in a lane which splits and does not end, entitled to carry on unimpeded, the cyclist (or bus) is joining that lane and needs to act as if changing lanes.

What are you talking about? Show me the SI that says you have to yield where there's no yield sign?

Deleted User wrote: »

This is it though, the CRV was not changing lanes. They were in a lane which splits, they did not cross over any lane markings.


Now all the above is my taking on the rules, honestly happy to get someone show me different.

At what point do you admit you have no idea what you're talking about?

Seth Brundle

Deleted User wrote: »

RRM 018 line is a yield sign in and of itself though AFAIK, which is why I am asking. So instead of being rude "At what point do you admit you have no idea what you're talking about? " how about answering a question posed in earnest.

As far as I can see that termination line, at the end of the Bus Lane, is a RRM 018 and, as I said I am open to correction on that.

Looking at the Traffic Signs Manual (C7) it says in terms of RRM 018:

7.2.15 The Yield Line should normally be supplemented by the Yield Sign (RUS 026, see Chapter 5) at priority-controlled junctions. On national roads the Yield Sign must always accompany the Yield Line. The Yield Sign is not required to accompany the Cycle Yield Line, RRM 018C.

As the Yield sign is not present (see my emphasis above), then we can assume that this is not a valid RRM 018 line.
I will also ask the garda when I give them the DVD of this morning's cement truck incident.

Anyhow, I think we've gone off topic anyhow.

buffalo

Deleted User wrote: »

RRM 018 line is a yield sign in and of itself though AFAIK, which is why I am asking. So instead of being rude "At what point do you admit you have no idea what you're talking about? " how about answering a question posed in earnest.

As far as I can see that termination line, at the end of the Bus Lane, is a RRM 018 and, as I said I am open to correction on that.

RRM018? Really? That's a transverse line marking that goes across a road, not a lane divider. What you're looking at is M129.

The reason I'm being rude is because several posters have told you that you are wrong, and yet you continue to persevere that you are right, despite no evidence to support yourself or contradict the points of view put to you.

Seth Brundle

tnegun wrote: »

That truck has been drawing into Intel recently, did he actually turn left at the top or continue straight on the slip to skip traffic?

He turned right at the top (towards Adamstown & Newcastle).
When I reached him, I asked him what was that about and he kept saying "sorry but..." - I wasn't going to let him have a "but..." as if there were mitigating circumstances.

Seth Brundle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tell me that you are reporting that truck, please!!

Reported in Lucan station this evening. The garda was great - reviewed the footage and took my statement and was going to contact the company in order to get the driver's statement before it goes further.

(I also asked him about the N4 bus lane that we were discussing and his view was that he would judge an incident with whatever evidence but any vehicle already there would be likely to have priority on the lane)

5uspect

Left home early today to enjoy the nice weather and hopefully the quieter roads. All was well until Lucan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkNKwbQLeIA

Followed shortly by:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHr9sfJ-mNo

5uspect

De Bhál wrote: »

that first guy had a ladder on the top of his hatchback which might mean he was off to save someone from a fire or get a cat down from a tree...you know, important stuff.

He probably forgot his red flag for the ladder in his hurry.