Working life

AidoEirE

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I enjoy my college course but probably won't enjoy the job that will accompany it.

I agree with needing purpose, but how many people can say their job is their passion in life? That's why I have such an issue with so many mundane jobs and the mindset of get a job, pays taxes, retire and eventually die.

Its the more reality of surviving than having just working mundane jobs. I mean we all dont just walk into our dream job. People work to get themselves finacially viable to go for that dream job.

That could mean the dream is another county, country, have to work an internship. Its all about having that stability.

I wouldnt put it so clear cut as you have

lazybones32

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Most people don't ever find that.

You have your entire life with your mind in your body. How hard is it to look inside?

snowflaker

messy tessy wrote: »

Yeh but caramel Freddos are just not nice.

and weren't they called Taz bars at one point???

AidoEirE

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I enjoy my college course but probably won't enjoy the job that will accompany it.

I agree with needing purpose, but how many people can say their job is their passion in life? That's why I have such an issue with so many mundane jobs and the mindset of get a job, pays taxes, retire and eventually die.

Try it without the first 3, you'll still be 4/4 dissapointed

eeguy

snowflaker wrote: »

and weren't they called Taz bars at one point???

That was an entirely different fun size chocolate coated caramel bar

CPTM

Solomon Pleasant wrote:

When I graduate it'll probably be in some kind of office job (if I get a job) where I'll probably be working for some manager who I quite dislike but I'll probably become similar to over the next 40 years. Anyway, work your life away while the founder becomes rich and you earn a wage which is sufficient for survival but not really sufficient for growth and self actualisation.

Solomon Pleasant wrote:

Perhaps this is just me being slightly anti capitalist as it seems to be the done thing. I view it as working your life away and I would imagine it could become my greatest regret.

I work in an office and I love my job.

This only happened after I accepted that moving jobs/companies/managers is as necessary, dare I say more necessary, than graduating from college.

I did have to move a good few times to find the job that fit right, but it's worth it. There's a lot of office banter now that I'd miss if I left! I just wanted to say that office work isn't all bad! Sure there's lottos and rich footballers and gorgeous models living "The dream", but as far as our real world goes it's a nice way to make a living in fairness

Smurfette principle

timthumbni wrote: »

Does anyone else think that working is one of the biggest cons ever pulled?

Working 5/6 days a week in the year 2017 seems absurd to me.

Also the fact that those on welfare seem to be better or as well off than those of us who actually are working makes no sense at all.

We are here for a short time. I understand the need for money to live etc but do we really need to work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 etc?

I enjoy working, like I get paid well but I don't do it for the money I love what I do and I love being around other people, you can bitch all you want and say that people on the social welfare have it better but really would you choose to be in a job you like or sitting at home scratching your arse where you're only choice to socialize is the local pub or to get a 2 liter and sit in a field in the pissing rain with a load of other people who have no ambition in life?

Nobody wants to work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 because looking around the social welfare option looks attractive but you are not really seeing the reality, most of those people you see getting pissed on a Tuesday are broke on a Wednesday. I'd choose work every time because it gives you a purpose and a reason to motivate yourself everyday, If I was stuck at home everyday watching Jeremy Kyle, Ophra and repeats of Friends no mess I would crack after about a week

timthumbni

Smurfette principle wrote: »

I enjoy working, like I get paid well but I don't do it for the money I love what I do and I love being around other people, you can bitch all you want and say that people on the social welfare have it better but really would you choose to be in a job you like or sitting at home scratching your arse where you're only choice to socialize is the local pub or to get a 2 liter and sit in a field in the pissing rain with a load of other people who have no ambition in life?

Nobody wants to work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 because looking around the social welfare option looks attractive but you are not really seeing the reality, most of those people you see getting pissed on a Tuesday are broke on a Wednesday. I'd choose work every time because it gives you a purpose and a reason to motivate yourself everyday, If I was stuck at home everyday watching Jeremy Kyle, Ophra and repeats of Friends no mess I would crack after about a week

I wouldn't be watching Oprah. There are numerous outstanding tv programs to be watched. I just think it's silly to be working most of your healthy life. I actually think it's quite bizarre. My opinion obviously. I know plenty of ones who live for their work. I think they are brainwashed and deluded.....

Django99

timthumbni wrote: »

I wouldn't be watching Oprah. There are numerous outstanding tv programs to be watched. I just think it's silly to be working most of your healthy life. I actually think it's quite bizarre. My opinion obviously. I know plenty of ones who live for their work. I think they are brainwashed and deluded.....

But what is your alternative? What would you realistically prefer to be doing?

Smurfette principle

timthumbni wrote: »

I wouldn't be watching Oprah. There are numerous outstanding tv programs to be watched. I just think it's silly to be working most of your healthy life. I actually think it's quite bizarre. My opinion obviously. I know plenty of ones who live for their work. I think they are brainwashed and deluded.....

Ok an operative word there is "healthy" so do you think it is only silly if YOU are working for most of your healthy life or is it silly for all the people like doctors, nurses, police officers, fire brigade men and women and pretty much all the people who your taxes also pay for so you can be healthy to work too?

Knex*

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I've watched that film, I loved it!

Sadly, he doesn't exactly live very long. I loved his motives within the film but I'm not sure he found closure. A great story nonetheless.

Honestly? I thought it was absolute balls. Never has a movie contrived to be so far up its own hoop, and pull it off with such nauseating success.

timthumbni

Django99 wrote: »

But what is your alternative? What would you realistically prefer to be doing?

Spending more time with my children, partner etc. Playing games, hobbies, exercise, laughing, taking the piss, travelling etc etc. I would never be bored... work really restricts you.

Django99

timthumbni wrote: »

Spending more time with my children, partner etc. Playing games, hobbies, exercise, laughing, taking the piss, travelling etc etc. I would never be bored... work really restricts you.

But how could you afford to this? As in my question is more to do with the practicality of not working, rather than the idea that it would be better to not have to work.

I agree that it would be great if none of us had to work, if all labour was automated and we could spend all of our lives doing the things you've mentioned above. But society isn't there yet, and because society loves to evolve and try to improve all the time, im not sure it will ever be there.

NIMAN

What about if Gov's were to introduce universal income, give everyone €1000 monthly?

LadyMacBeth_

I have an illness so I work part time, I need the money and I previously thought that I needed the job for a routine/my sanity and because you can't tell that I have an illness just from looking at me I prefer to be able to answer strangers honestly about having a job rather than having to tell them that I do nothing. It's very unlikely that I will live to retirement age and I will probably reach the stage where I can't work at all in the next ten years (I'm 29 now). Before I used to feel like a bum or a waster and beat myself up about being a drain or a burden on society because I will never have a career, I have a job that is beneath my intellect because of my illness. Now though I think to myself that I shouldn't be working until I am too ill to work because what sort of life is that? It really is working until I die in a job I don't particularly enjoy, fcuk that. I'd quit now if I could afford it. I have enrolled in a psychology evening class that starts in October, there are plenty of ways to stimulate yourself and feel like you are achieving something other than having a job.

Django99

NIMAN wrote: »

What about if Gov's were to introduce universal income, give everyone €1000 monthly?

1000 euro isn't a lot of money for most people, it wouldn't provide the majority of people with what they are used to having.

timthumbni

Django99 wrote: »

But how could you afford to this? As in my question is more to do with the practicality of not working, rather than the idea that it would be better to not have to work.

I agree that it would be great if none of us had to work, if all labour was automated and we could spend all of our lives doing the things you've mentioned above. But society isn't there yet, and because society loves to evolve and try to improve all the time, im not sure it will ever be there.

That's a fair question. I just don't see why we as a developed first world country should be still doing the old Monday to Friday 9"to 5 crap. Surely we have moved beyond that. Most people aren't even religious anymore so we all know what we have is it. Working till you are 65 and dying shortly after seems insane.

LadyMacBeth_

timthumbni wrote: »

That's a fair question. I just don't see why we as a developed first world country should be still doing the old Monday to Friday 9"to 5 crap. Surely we have moved beyond that. Most people aren't even religious anymore so we all know what we have is it. Working till you are 65 and dying shortly after seems insane.

Hunter gatherers work about 20 hours a week, the rest of the time is leisure time! That's how it was before the agricultural revolution.

endacl

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Hunter gatherers work about 20 hours a week, the rest of the time is leisure time! That's how it was before the agricultural revolution.

Yeah, but....

"Researchers Gurven and Kaplan have estimated that around 57% of hunter-gatherers reach the age of 15. Of those that reach 15 years of age, 64% continue to live to or past the age of 45. This places the life expectancy between 21 and 37 years. They further estimate that 70% of deaths are due to diseases of some kind, 20% of deaths come from violence or accidents and 10% are due to degenerative diseases."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer

eeguy

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Hunter gatherers work about 20 hours a week, the rest of the time is leisure time! That's how it was before the agricultural revolution.

The agricultural revolution was only 300 years ago.
You mean before farming?
Don't really know what your point is. Compared to a hunter gatherer can live like a king on the dole and work zero hours.

Hunter gatherers didn't have the same concept of work. They didn't just do 5 hours of hunting 4 days a week. How do you even quantify that statement?

timthumbni wrote: »

That's a fair question. I just don't see why we as a developed first world country should be still doing the old Monday to Friday 9"to 5 crap. Surely we have moved beyond that. Most people aren't even religious anymore so we all know what we have is it. Working till you are 65 and dying shortly after seems insane.

Plenty of people work outside the usual hours. Shift work , weekends, split shift, part time. What does religion have to do with it?
Average life expectancy is 80 here and increasing, so that's 15 years to enjoy. You don't have to work till youre 65. You can quit whenever. My parents retired in their early 50s.

timthumbni

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

I have an illness so I work part time, I need the money and I previously thought that I needed the job for a routine/my sanity and because you can't tell that I have an illness just from looking at me I prefer to be able to answer strangers honestly about having a job rather than having to tell them that I do nothing. It's very unlikely that I will live to retirement age and I will probably reach the stage where I can't work at all in the next ten years (I'm 29 now). Before I used to feel like a bum or a waster and beat myself up about being a drain or a burden on society because I will never have a career, I have a job that is beneath my intellect because of my illness. Now though I think to myself that I shouldn't be working until I am too ill to work because what sort of life is that? It really is working until I die in a job I don't particularly enjoy, fcuk that. I'd quit now if I could afford it. I have enrolled in a psychology evening class that starts in October, there are plenty of ways to stimulate yourself and feel like you are achieving something other than having a job.

I have heard loads of my colleagues asking what would they do all day if they weren't working. I can think of a thousand things. I think sometimes most people just accept their fate like the workers in 1984. It's sad and bull****.

I like your post btw as it reminded me that One of the first things stangers ask me in a bar for instance is what do I work as. It's an inbuilt habit and I really dislike it. I personally don't give a feck what anyone does as a job.

Django99

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Hunter gatherers work about 20 hours a week, the rest of the time is leisure time! That's how it was before the agricultural revolution.

This is a good point. Just before the agricultural revolution hunter gatherers were very good at what they did, and they had loads of free time, a lot which was spent having sex!

But the the thing is, it's very hard for anything to evolve in that way of life. There's no reason to advance anything, so if we stayed that way we would have no new technology, no new medicines, no trade.

So the things we would spend our leisure time doing now, a lot of it wouldn't exist without society and economies and labour.

Cubik

timthumbni wrote: »

I have heard loads of my colleagues asking what would they do all day if they weren't working. I can think of a thousand things. I think sometimes most people just accept their fate like the workers in 1984. It's sad and bull****.

I would love to go running, go to exercise classes, read, watch a movie, watch a few episodes of a TV series, meet friends for lunch/a glass of wine or beer, go to an exhibition, go for a drive to the coast/countryside, go for a walk around hidden parts of town with my camera, go to the cinema, post on Boards... but I would have no money to do these things after a while. It's not sad and bull****, it's necessary.

eeguy

Cubik wrote: »

I would love to go running, go to exercise classes, read, watch a movie, watch a few episodes of a TV series, meet friends for lunch/a glass of wine or beer, go to an exhibition, go for a drive to the coast/countryside, go for a walk around hidden parts of town with my camera, go to the cinema, post on Boards... but I would have no money to do these things after a while. It's not sad and bull****, it's necessary.

But if no one worked then there'd be no winemaker or wine sellers. No actors or people to organize exhibitions. No cars and no cameras.
People work to create products and services and earn money to enjoy those products and services. You may dislike the drudgery of your job, but it must be necessary for someone or else it wouldn't exist.

timthumbni

Cubik wrote: »

I would love to go running, go to exercise classes, read, watch a movie, watch a few episodes of a TV series, meet friends for lunch/a glass of wine or beer, go to an exhibition, go for a drive to the coast/countryside, go for a walk around hidden parts of town with my camera, go to the cinema, post on Boards... but I would have no money to do these things after a while. It's not sad and bull****, it's necessary.

My point i s'more about why we still have the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 working lifestyle. It's 2017. We are a first world country.

The working class have it the toughest. And by working class I mean those that work, not those on welfare. I do think there is a collective form of brainwashing on the go. Working till you are are 65/70 then conveniently dying doesn't sound like living the dream to me,

eeguy

timthumbni wrote: »

My point i s'more about why we still have the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 working lifestyle. It's 2017. We are a first world country.

The working class have it the toughest. And by working class I mean those that work, not those on welfare. I do think there is a collective form of brainwashing on the go. Working till you are are 65/70 then conveniently dying doesn't sound like living the dream to me,

What's your alternative?

Cubik

eeguy wrote: »

But if no one worked then there'd be no winemaker or wine sellers. No actors or people to organize exhibitions. No cars and no cameras.
People work to create products and services and earn money to enjoy those products and services. You may dislike the drudgery of your job, but it must be necessary for someone or else it wouldn't exist.

Oh I know - that's what I'm saying.
There are lots of things I'd like to do instead of work, but I need an income.

timthumbni wrote: »

My point i s'more about why we still have the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 working lifestyle. It's 2017. We are a first world country.

The working class have it the toughest. And by working class I mean those that work, not those on welfare. I do think there is a collective form of brainwashing on the go. Working till you are are 65/70 then conveniently dying doesn't sound like living the dream to me,

But what alternative is there to the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 lifestyle? Shiftwork is crap. What do you mean brainwashing? I think you're reading something more sinister into what it is - it's just a means of earning money, which we do need. People don't always conveniently die nowadays just after 65/70 - many are living until their 80s/90s nowadays so they have years to enjoy their retirement and grandchildren/great grandchildren.

timthumbni

eeguy wrote: »

What's your alternative?

Shorter working hours, only working 4 days per week.

I know every working environment may differ but I certainly could do my 5 days work in 4 and possibly 3 even. Most people zone out on a Monday morning and Friday afternoon for example. Would it really hurt to go 4 days a week for example???

Johngoose

Working over 40 years till retirement seems like a load of balls to me alright. You are probably giving up the best years of your life for your career. What can you really do at 65 when you retire? Your prime years are gone at that stage.

eeguy

timthumbni wrote: »

Shorter working hours, only working 4 days per week.

I know every working environment may differ but I certainly could do my 5 days work in 4 and possibly 3 even. Most people zone out on a Monday morning and Friday afternoon for example. Would it really hurt to go 4 days a week for example???

Talk to your boss and do it then.

Johngoose wrote: »

Working over 40 years till retirement seems like a load of balls to me alright. You are probably giving up the best years of your life for your career. What can you really do at 65 when you retire? Your prime years are gone at that stage.

Then take a few years out. Go do all the things you want to do.
No one forces you to work. You are your own master. If you think working is balls then find an alternative.
Live the Good Life out in the country with minimal outgoings.