Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

maudgonner

Nice to see Kevin Eldon has survived this long. Well, had survived...

Liam Cunningham must be slipping the script writers brown envelopes, he seems to be getting all the best lines these days. Although they did call him old a number of times in this ep :pac:

'Nothing fúcks you harder than time'.


Nice scene between Gendry and Jon Snow, their relationship looks like it will echo Robert & Ned's friendship.

NinjaTruncs

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Jorah helped load a box into one of the boats. I assumed that's what it contained.

I would assume it was already loaded onto the ship before they left. But if that box was the sum of all their work in the mine, it's either the hardest material to mine or it was them spending all their time drawing on the cave walls.

CMOTDibbler

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

I would assume it was already loaded onto the ship before they left. But if that box was the sum of all their work in the mine, it's either the hardest material to mine or it was them spending all their time drawing on the cave walls.

Doubtless. But having a shot of a box of something being loaded carefully would be designed to answer the question the poster asked.

EagererBeaver

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Doubtless. But having a shot of a box of something being loaded carefully would be designed to answer the question the poster asked.

I think it was fairly implicit and didn't need to called out. They spoke with about it a couple of weeks ago, they've been mining the stuff for months. They're hardly just going to sail off without it ffs.

lazybones32

Subacio wrote: »

Seems to me that the dragon got the whiff of Targaryen from Jon Snow.

Going by the long, lingering looks exchanged between Daeny and Jon over the last 2 episodes, i'd be surprised if drogon didn't get the whiff of Daeny from Jon's fingers...☺
...her heart cries "Jorah" but her loins yearn to be filled with Snow.

The romantic angle and the somewhat rivalry between Ser and Snow annoyed me, as did the miraculous escape of bronn and jaime (who entered the lake by drogon and emerged a few hundred metres away) but those 2 aside, i liked the episode. LF is playing the antagonism Arya has for Sansa but i'd prefer if they revealed his manipulation later.

CMOTDibbler

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I think it was fairly implicit and didn't need to called out. They spoke with about it a couple of weeks ago, they've been mining the stuff for months. They're hardly just going to sail off without it ffs.

I replied to a question another poster asked. Maybe there were pop tarts in the box. :rolleyes:

J. Marston

The look on Dany's face when Jon didn't agree how beautiful her babies were was hilarious.

golfball37

My only quibble is Ser Jorah calling Dany Your Grace rather than Khaleesi.

marcus001

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I don't understand this viewpoint. Jon beheaded Janos Slynt for refusing an order and hanged a child for 'murder'. Dany executes a treasonous lord who refused to submit or take the black and she's the bad guy?

Treasonous? She's an invader. It wasn't normal in medieval and ancient times to execute nobles, exile was far more common. Dany is Stalin.

Unshelved

The Actor, Kevin Eldon - again? A bit careless using a well-known face in two different roles.

maudgonner

Unshelved wrote: »

The Actor, Kevin Eldon - again? A bit careless using a well-known face in two different roles.

IMDb has him credited as the same character, Camello. So I guess he gave up the acting after all that debacle with people trying to get each other knocked off, and went with the safer profession of soldiering.

When he saw Tyrion he should have said "you look a bit like someone I used to work with".

Unshelved

When he saw Tyrion he should have said "you look a bit like someone I used to work with".

Actually - that would have been deadly!

Loafing Oaf

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Jon Snow brings back a live "wight" which is a case of another massively high-risk maneouvre.

A bit odd how everyone in Dany's council immediately agreed this was the way to go. I'm wondering how this will work in practice. Will they throw a net over one, stick it in a box and drag it south? What happens if it 'dies' en route?

CMOTDibbler

marcus001 wrote: »

Treasonous? She's an invader. It wasn't normal in medieval and ancient times to execute nobles, exile was far more common. Dany is Stalin.

An invader who has a claim on the throne by birth. As for exiling treasonous lords instead of executing them, you should probably read up on the wars of the roses (on which GRRM has said he's based his books). There were executions aplenty during that period.

Lemlin

Its a pity the books weren't finished when the series started. That way, they could have avoided all the filler in previous seasons and the need to rush now.

I think it was always going to be hard for that episode after last week.

Glad to see Sam leave the Citadel. Was getting tired of that story line. Wouldn't mind seeing the White Walkers get hold of him and Gilly.

As for the magical teleportation, I'd prefer that to the long drawn out travel sequences which often went nowhere of previous seasons. We know the characters now. There's no need for backstory.

GottaGetGatt

Drogon knows lads, Drogon F**king Knows!!!

That scene gave me the feels. Didn't like how the scene with Gilly revealing the annulment of Rhaegars marriage was glossed over and how the hell she wouldn't just pick out Lyanna Starks name. They better revisit that script or I'll be rightly pissed. Couldn't care about the fast traveling. Nice to see them moving the story along. They have no choice, they've only two episodes left.

lazybones32

Lemlin wrote: »

Glad to see Sam leave the Citadel. Was getting tired of that story line. Wouldn't mind seeing the White Walkers get hold of him and Gilly.

This bit gets 7 thumbs up from me. The more gruesome the death, the better...

GottaGetGatt

Not gonna happen.

CMOTDibbler

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

He might have a nerd fight with Bran in Winterfell.

Varik

marcus001 wrote: »

Treasonous? She's an invader. It wasn't normal in medieval and ancient times to execute nobles, exile was far more common. Dany is Stalin.

At least she's stopped crucifying people.

Lemlin

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

Drogon knows lads, Drogon F**king Knows!!!

That scene gave me the feels. Didn't like how the scene with Gilly revealing the annulment of Rhaegars marriage was glossed over and how the hell she wouldn't just pick out Lyanna Starks name. They better revisit that script or I'll be rightly pissed. Couldn't care about the fast traveling. Nice to see them moving the story along. They have no choice, they've only two episodes left.

Well it proves that the information has been recorded so I'd imagine it will get out.

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

More's the pity. Old Tarly was right - he and Dickon gave more entertainment in a few episodes than poor Sam has in a few seasons.

Littlefinger must be on borrowed time though. Met him a couple of weeks ago in Ikea - a Hollywood actor isn't shopping there unless he's out of work!

CMOTDibbler

Lemlin wrote: »

Littlefinger must be on borrowed time though. Met him a couple of weeks ago in Ikea - a Hollywood actor isn't shopping there unless he's out of work!

He may have been looking for this:

DRAGON series
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the DRAGON cutlery series is sure to be a frequent guest at your table. And
you don’t have to worry about it wearing out from so much use – it’s made
of durable stainless steel.

JoeyJJ

Very fast yes however I can imagine a few bits that people are harking on to see, we will be here for 10 years if you want to see all that.

My fav bit was the reference to social media about Gendry still rowing his boat.

jcd5971

Danny could easily end up being the bug villain, she's roasting people now ala the mad king

Lets not forget she has been cruel before, burning unsullied master and killing all masters in astapor.

Not to mention the qarth king and her handmaiden she locked them both to die in a room with no way out. Harsh

There is definitely potential for it anyway.

Also remember as old fat ass grr said himself got will end bittersweet

GottaGetGatt

pah

How the hell did tyrion know Jaime didn't drown???

CMOTDibbler

pah wrote: »

How the hell did tyrion know Jaime didn't drown???

Only one way to find out. Other than spies of course.

Jamie and Bronn are extremely good at holding their breath

krustydoyle

pah wrote: »

How the hell did tyrion know Jaime didn't drown???

Maybe he contacted Bronn but it wasn't shown?

TITANIUM.

pah wrote: »

How the hell did tyrion know Jaime didn't drown???

Varys of course. Unless were now to assume he is now completely redundant.

Avatar MIA

Excellent nod to the fans here.

Ser Davos to Gendry,'Thought you might still be rowing'

And yes, Liam is getting some very good lines. Second week in a row a line aimed at the fans.

Loafing Oaf

pah wrote: »

How the hell did tyrion know Jaime didn't drown???

Well he survived falling into deep water with his hands bound himself so naturally he assumed...

SureYWouldntYa

I'm not really one to question things too much, but if the armour was so heavy that Jaime couldn't swim himself how was Bronn able to drag him the whole way across that pond

Also why didn't Daenerys go looking for him after to take him as a prisoner of war? He'd be a serious bargaining tool with Cersei

Avatar MIA

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Also why didn't Daenerys go looking for him after to take him as a prisoner of war? He'd be a serious bargaining tool with Cersei

Because Nobody told Dany about the plot armour

Glen_Quagmire

Avatar MIA wrote:

Excellent nod to the fans here.

Avatar MIA wrote:

Ser Davos to Gendry,'Thought you might still be rowing'

Avatar MIA wrote:

And yes, Liam is getting some very good lines. Second week in a row a line aimed at the fans.

Someone please explain this to me

Avatar MIA

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Someone please explain this to me

Gendry, who was shaping up to be a really important character disappeared from the Series, last seen rowing a boat. There were fan images of him and other characters on SS something Something that had disappeared for a while.

RE Liam, last week's 'fewer' remark was for the audience and not for the benefit of the person he was talking to. Too much is not a good thing, but at least they are breaking the 4th wall with the same character, and not everybody is doing it.

Loafing Oaf

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Someone please explain this to me

When last seen, Gendry was escaping the clutches of Melisandre and Stannis in a boat supplied by Davos

PressRun

Jamie's redemption arc makes literally zero sense at this point. He's willing to die on this hill with Cersei even though he knows it's a sinking ship. She did the thing he killed the mad king for and they don't even discuss it. He makes absolutely no sense as a character anymore. I wouldn't even miss him if he'd been killed off in the last episode (which by rights he and Bronn should have). And him and Cersei babbling about "what father would have done" is laughable considering "father" would have knocked the both of them on their arses over their activities together. The only high point to their interactions at this point is that Lena Headey is a terrific actress.

The Arya and Littlefinger thing has the potential to be good and earlier in the series it probably would have played out over a season and would have been more compelling that way, but because they've left it so bloody late to get things properly moving, it's being rushed.

willmunny1990

Whats the reason for only seven episodes in the last two seasons anyway?

It definitely feels rushed.

Cina

"... And the big woman?"

TCDStudent1

jcd5971 wrote: »

Danny could easily end up being the bug villain, she's roasting people now ala the mad king

Lets not forget she has been cruel before, burning unsullied master and killing all masters in astapor.

Not to mention the qarth king and her handmaiden she locked them both to die in a room with no way out. Harsh

There is definitely potential for it anyway.

Also remember as old fat ass grr said himself got will end bittersweet

She has been cruel before but to people who deserved it.

I thought the scene with the Lannister army showed she has changed since she freed the unsullied. The interpreter girl made a passionate speech to Jon Snow & Ser Davos in an earlier episode about how all those who sailed with her chose to sail with her and they were not slaves.

She treated the Lannister army so differently. She did not give them an option.

CMOTDibbler

PressRun wrote: »

She did the thing he killed the mad king for and they don't even discuss it. He makes absolutely no sense as a character anymore.

The mad king was going to obliterate Kings Landing in its entirety. Not just some cultists in a Sept with most of her enemies thrown in. There was a method there, not blind madness.

Loafing Oaf

Do we know where Euron is at right now? If he was mentioned last night I missed it...

wp_rathead

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do we know where Euron is at right now? If he was mentioned last night I missed it...

Last we saw he was laying seige to Casterly Rock with the Unsullied inside.. haven't heard since

PressRun

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The mad king was going to obliterate Kings Landing in its entirety. Not just some cultists in a Sept with most of her enemies thrown in. There was a method there, not blind madness.

Civilians were killed in the explosion. She also killed their only remaining allies.
There is a parallel in what she did and what the mad king wanted to do and Jamie killed the mad king. His blind allegiance to Cersei when she appears as mad as anyone at this point makes no sense in his redemption arc.

willmunny1990

The thing is the problem for Danny is the fact shes essentially using weapons of mass destruction to win the war, like anyone who uses weapons of mass destruction shes coming across as bad as its frowned upon and looks barbaric, at the moment shes holding back and only using the dragons against the army.

Using them for executions makes her look terrible and will do nothing for her.

CMOTDibbler

PressRun wrote: »

Civilians were killed in the explosion. She also killed their only remaining allies.
There is a parallel in what she did and what the mad king wanted to do and Jamie killed the mad king. His blind allegiance to Cersei when she appears as mad as anyone at this point makes no sense in his redemption arc.

There's only a similarity in the weapon used. There was no madness in the 'burn them all' sense. It was a ruthless pre-meditated plan to rid herself of her enemies in one fell swoop. The mad king just wanted to take everyone with him. It may not have been the cleverest plan, but she got the throne and that's hard to argue with.

I certainly don't see madness in it. Desperation, ruthlessnes and cunning definitely.

Avatar MIA

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I certainly don't see madness in it. Desperation, ruthlessnes and cunning definitely.

Yes, if she did it because she heard the voice of her dead father egging her on okay, otherwise she's just ruthless. Likeable, no.

lazybones32

willmunny1990 wrote: »

The thing is the problem for Danny is the fact shes essentially using weapons of mass destruction to win the war, like anyone who uses weapons of mass destruction shes coming across as bad as its frowned upon and looks barbaric, at the moment shes holding back and only using the dragons against the army.

Using them for executions makes her look terrible and will do nothing for her.

What would you have her do? Release the soldiers so they could make their way to KL to pick up spears and fight her army there again? She could have demoralised them further and sent them to KL, to show she is not as cruel or ruthless as cersei but daeny is losing the war. Of course she is going to harden.

Avatar MIA

lazybones32 wrote: »

but daeny is losing the war.

Are you watching the same programme as I am ?