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Right-wing vs. Left-wing Clashes [MOD NOTE POST #1]

  • 12-08-2017 8:52pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭


    MOD NOTE - READ BEFORE POSTING 22 AUGUST 2017

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    Didn't see a thread on this and thought it probably deserved one. Maybe it should be in Politics, don't know. Maybe the mods can move it.

    Anyway. Over a planned removal of a Robert E. Lee monument from a public park it has come over the last couple of days to right wing and ultra right wing rallies and marches in Charlottesville, Virginia. There have been several reported clashes with groups of counter demonstrators. Now it's being reported that a truck or van deliberately crashed into a group of those counter demonstrators and then drove off. Apparently a state of emergency has been declared and additional police has been deployed.

    Trump even felt the need to tweet.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    You sometimes get the impression the US is on the brink of civil war.

    Really seems to be a nation divided.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    This picture titled White Nationalists wield torches seems a bit ominous...

    170812072520-02-charlottesville-white-supremacists-0811-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Mod: As a political thread, I'm going to move it over to Politics. Bear in mind that it may not get reopened if it crosses over another thread already open.

    It will remain closed until a Politics mod can look at it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,657 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: I am reopening this. However, please ensure that you read the Politics charter before posting. Thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Over the last yearr self appointed Antifa thugs have rioted in streets/attacked women & more-then people on the left react surprised when someone snaps, Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in Charlottesville ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Over the last yearr self appointed Antifa thugs have rioted in streets/attacked women & more-then people on the left react surprised when someone snaps, Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in Charlottesville ?

    Yep, murdering some poor innocent, and injuring many others with a car, is a justifiable reaction to any opposition to White Supremacism, are you for real or what?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Over the last yearr self appointed Antifa thugs have rioted in streets/attacked women & more-then people on the left react surprised when someone snaps, Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in Charlottesville ?

    Anybody capable of ramming a car into a crowd of people who were not threatening him in any way (being as he was in a car and they were walking peacefully down the street in their counter-protest), yes, probably would have done it anyway because to do that makes them a coward and a killer. Not to mention blind as a bat if he "thought" they were Antifa. Antifa being well-known for strolling down the road wearing bright colours and no masks. Mistake anyone could make, right? Someone is now dead and nineteen others are injured. And you would try to justify it?

    Ugh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭cd07


    Not a civil war....racial war! Ross Kemp did a good show on the issue recently. Klan lads look like complete hicks it's gas but then the opposition don't cover themselves in glory either...murica


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    It's not violent right wing clashes against the left wing, it's neo-nazi terrorists committing terrorist attacks and murdering people.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Murica only - Not really. From Europe one side we have types like the Golden Dawn while on the other, Antifa. There is a great disenchantment with tradionional norms both in societal norms and faith in governing parties. The American ease of access to guns make it more likely that violence breaks out there first, but this contagion (where both extreme right and left draw inspiration and feedback from social media) can easily move to here.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    You sometimes get the impression the US is on the brink of civil war.

    Really seems to be a nation divided.
    The South should be it's own country anyway. It has nothing in common politically or socially with the Northern states.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Samaris wrote: »
    Anybody capable of ramming a car into a crowd of people who were not threatening him in any way (being as he was in a car and they were walking peacefully down the street in their counter-protest), yes, probably would have done it anyway because to do that makes them a coward and a killer. Not to mention blind as a bat if he "thought" they were Antifa. Antifa being well-known for strolling down the road wearing bright colours and no masks. Mistake anyone could make, right? Someone is now dead and nineteen others are injured. And you would try to justify it?

    Ugh.

    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Yep, murdering some poor innocent, and injuring many others with a car, is a justifiable reaction to any opposition to White Supremacism, are you for real or what?

    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .

    I would disagree, Nazism and White Supremacism does not deserve a platform, and protesting to deny it one is both reasonable and to be expected in a decent society.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .

    I would disagree, Nazism and White Supremacism does not deserve a platform, and protesting to deny it one is both reasonable and to be expected in a decent society.
    The two people I referred to in that post were Milo + Ann Coulter who had their speaking engagements at Berkley cancelled due to violence, are you seriously saying those two are " nazis " ? same goes for Trump supporters if they want to hold a rally are all Trump supporters also " nazis " ? there is key difference in protest as in peaceful protest versus violent opposition to someone you disagree with , but since you brought up that you support no platform type policy do you also think Communism should also be equally be no platformed ? given far more were killed under Communist regimes then nazi regimes .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Neo Nazis and Islamists, all reactionary right wing scum. **** them and the ideologies that spawn then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Why are you talking about people having speaking engagements cancelled? An Alt-Right Neo-Nazi just commuted a terrorist attack and murdered someone.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    ...it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no...

    Your denial rings hollow, frankly. Driving a car into people isn't "snapping", it's an act of terrorist violence whether it's an islamist terrorist doing it or a fascist terrorist doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Driving a car into a crowd is only terrorism if the people driving are brown.

    Snapping? My arse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Your denial rings hollow, frankly. Driving a car into people isn't "snapping", it's an act of terrorist violence whether it's an islamist terrorist doing it or a fascist terrorist doing it.

    Two sides of the same coin


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  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Why are you talking about people having speaking engagements cancelled? An Alt-Right Neo-Nazi just commuted a terrorist attack and murdered someone.
    Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Violent left and right wing extremists it looks like. These people are all scum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    You sometimes get the impression the US is on the brink of civil war.

    Really seems to be a nation divided.

    But diversity is our strength?

    We are learning a hard lesson that tribalism can't just be wished away. We are seeing similar strife in Indonesia between the Chinese and the natives. What is happening in america is only going to get worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Three dead and dozens wounded as white supremacists clash with anti-fascist campaigners in Virginia


    More dead now :(.

    We are seeing more and more white supremacist terror these days, and its astonishing that that so many refuse to call it what it is "terrorism".

    These guys were openly engaging in Nazi salutes and they showed with helmets, sticks and shields, and had 0 intent of peaceful protest.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

    Still sounding like justification where I'm sitting.

    "If those uppity left-wingers would of kept their pinko liberal mouths shut, god-fearin' Christians wouldn't feel the need to murder them."


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Aaaaand we're straight into excusing and rationalizing the violence. Makes a change from listening to the lefties do it i guess


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    When people ask why am I bringing up events over the last year ? these tweets phrase it in a better way then I do .
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896421076984397824
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896424713890615296
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/838207152292417536


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

    Still sounding like justification where I'm sitting.

    "If those uppity left-wingers would of kept their pinko liberal mouths shut, god-fearin' Christians wouldn't feel the need to murder them."
    Im not talking about people keeping their mouths shuts, having a counter argument to someone + peacefully protesting against someone are one thing, political violence + riots + violently attacking people you disagree with while wearing masks will only do one thing which is create counter violence, " violence breeds violence " .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    wes wrote: »
    Three dead and dozens wounded as white supremacists clash with anti-fascist campaigners in Virginia


    More dead now :(.

    We are seeing more and more white supremacist terror these days, and its astonishing that that so many refuse to call it what it is "terrorism".

    These guys were openly engaging in Nazi salutes and they showed with helmets, sticks and shields, and had 0 intent of peaceful protest.

    I don't believe they did go with the intention of violence, they went for a rally and to have a few speakers. But they were also ready to defend themselves from the inevitable Antifa attacks. This is exactly what transpired. Had the white nationalists been allowed to have their rally and have their speakers there would have been no violence. There didn't need to be any attention given to them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    "If those uppity left-wingers would of kept their pinko liberal mouths shut, god-fearin' Christians wouldn't feel the need to murder them."

    Are you aware of how antifa have been behaving in America since Trump was elected. They are a violent bunch of thugs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .

    They were protesting peacefully (you can see it on the video) when some brainwashed fanatic rammed a car through them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    This is all on Obama and Hiliary. They kept encouraging black power groups to attack American heritage. The Confederate monument...do they think the civil war never happened, that thousands of young men didn't make the ultimate sacrifice for the South? It's disturbing how they're rewriting and airbrushing history. They refer to riots like Watts and Newark as rebellions, when it as mainly looting and wanton violence. God help America if they aren't put back in their place soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    3 people are dead, because Neo Nazi's were angry about the removal of a statue celebrating a confederate general who fought for slavery. A removal that was made via a democratic decision.

    This entire thing is insane. It shows just how moral bankrupt these Neo Nazi's and there various apologists are.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Over the last yearr self appointed Antifa thugs have rioted in streets/attacked women & more-then people on the left react surprised when someone snaps, Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in Charlottesville ?

    Blame the victim well done. A white supremacist drives a car into people protesting a white supremacist march andits their own fault? Ridiculous.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Violent left and right wing extremists it looks like. These people are all scum.

    Nonsense. The people hit by the car were scum in your opinion? Scum for protesting a white supremacist march?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    red ears wrote: »
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    "If those uppity left-wingers would of kept their pinko liberal mouths shut, god-fearin' Christians wouldn't feel the need to murder them."

    Are you aware of how antifa have been behaving in America since Trump was elected. They are a violent bunch of thugs.
    + 1.
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    Antifa + the KKK they both wear masks to conceal their faces, both are extremists- I equally detest both of them, there is a hypocrisy when it comes to equally condemning both of them by some people on the left, the people wearing black mask rioted in the streets when Trump was inaugurated .

    425070.jpg

    Imagine back when Obama was 1st inaugurated in 2009, imagine if an extreme right wing group rioted in the streets , imagine if an extreme right wing group violently attacked Obama supporters everytime there was a pro Obama rally, the extreme right wing group would be called out for thugs + rightly so, its time to equally call out Antifa for the masked thugs that they are .


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Samaris wrote: »
    Over the last year the Milo event in Berkley a few months ago got cancelled due to left wing violence and women attacked + maced in the face followed on Ann Coulter being cancelled due to threats of violence + other incidents of Trump supporters trying to hold peaceful rallies only to be violently attacked by militant left wing protesters , followed by threats of violence towards people attending today,s rally, take it all into account constant violence along with constant threats of violence it was evident someone was gonna snap sooner or later , am I trying to justify it ? fcuk no to quote an phrase " violence breeds violence " for those who oppose & disagree with Trump supporters if they wanna counter protest them peacefully non violently no problem with that, but the minute they violently oppose people they disagree with is when they are creating the breeding ground for further violence + counter violence .

    They were protesting peacefully (you can see it on the video) when some brainwashed fanatic rammed a car through them.
    lets say for the sake of argument there was no violence towards Trump supporters over the last year + no threats towards people who wanted to attend today,s rally, how many people honestly think this lone nut would of still rammed a car into people ?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This is all on Obama and Hiliary. They kept encouraging black power groups to attack American heritage. The Confederate monument...do they think the civil war never happened, that thousands of young men didn't make the ultimate sacrifice for the South? It's disturbing how they're rewriting and airbrushing history. They refer to riots like Watts and Newark as rebellions, when it as mainly looting and wanton violence. God help America if they aren't put back in their place soon.

    You think black peoples need to be put "back in their place"? What exactly does that mean? I assume it's a prelude to your normal bigotry.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Three people murdered by Alt-Right Nazi terrorists and somehow it's Obama's fault.

    The confederate flag is a swastika by a different colour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    red ears wrote: »
    I don't believe they did go with the intention of violence, they went for a rally and to have a few speakers. But they were also ready to defend themselves from the inevitable Antifa attacks. This is exactly what transpired. Had the white nationalists been allowed to have their rally and have their speakers there would have been no violence. There didn't need to be any attention given to them.
    Over the last yearr self appointed Antifa thugs have rioted in streets/attacked women & more-then people on the left react surprised when someone snaps, Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in Charlottesville ?

    White-supremacy-apologist bullsh1t.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    A permit was granted for the event, whether you agree with them or not they were entitled to hold a rally and have their talks.
    The video evidence all over the net shows Antifa and BLM pepper spraying the nationalists and attacking them. The resulting violence was reason the police shut the rally down.

    If someone deliberately crashed a car into a crowd then they should go to jail for a very long time.

    It appears the helicopter crash that killed two people was a terrible accident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    A serious question? Where the hell do we go to get honest reporting and appraisal of today's events. Neither the MSM or the new alternative media can be fully trusted to report objectively. I think thats pretty sad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    White-supremacy-apologist bullsh1t.

    Really ? what I actually said about " White-supremacy " in another post.

    " Antifa + the KKK they both wear masks to conceal their faces, both are extremists- I equally detest both of them, " .

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104359377&postcount=37


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    red ears wrote: »
    A permit was granted for the event, whether you agree with them or not they were entitled to hold a rally and have their talks.
    The video evidence all over the net shows Antifa and BLM pepper spraying the nationalists and attacking them. The resulting violence was reason the police shut the rally down.

    If someone deliberately crashed a car into a crowd then they should go to jail for a very long time.

    It appears the helicopter crash that killed two people was a terrible accident.

    " The video evidence all over the net shows Antifa and BLM pepper spraying the nationalists and attacking them. "

    Exactly my point when I argue " violence breeds violence " if Antifa didn,t attack anyone or pepper spray anyone yesterday I think its highly unlikely that the driver would of done what they did .


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Arytonblue


    red ears wrote: »
    A serious question? Where the hell do we go to get honest reporting and appraisal of today's events. Neither the MSM or the new alternative media can be fully trusted to report objectively. I think thats pretty sad.
    This is some complete and utter bull****, an organised group of neo-Nazis and white supremacist tw@ts hold a rally in 'protest' of an agreed decision to remove a statue of a major figurehead of the Confederate movement that supported slavery and brutal treatment of blacks and you're shocked that some people decided to counter-protest? And then some bast@ard decided it would be great to mow some peaceful protesters with a car, and you decide this is the time to deflect and divert about Antifa, Obama and Hillary as somehow being responsible for this murderous c@nt killing people? Get real.

    I'm so sick and tired of people with 'outrageous' and contrarian opinions pleading the 'right' to free speech and having an opinion when someone challenges them on their bull**** logic and reasoning. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it sacrosanct, those protestors had every right to object to a bunch of racist, Hitler loving c@nts and there is no 'justification' for the attack on them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    When people ask why am I bringing up events over the last year ? these tweets phrase it in a better way then I do .
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896421076984397824
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896424713890615296
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/838207152292417536

    I don't recall anyone being murdered at trump rallies??


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    red ears wrote: »
    A serious question? Where the hell do we go to get honest reporting and appraisal of today's events. Neither the MSM or the new alternative media can be fully trusted to report objectively. I think thats pretty sad.
    Arytonblue
     " This is some complete and utter bull****, an organised group of neo-Nazis and white supremacist tw@ts hold a rally in 'protest' of an agreed decision to remove a statue of a major figurehead of the Confederate movement that supported slavery and brutal treatment of blacks and you're shocked that some people decided to counter-protest? And then some bast@ard decided it would be great to mow some peaceful protesters with a car, and you decide this is the time to deflect and divert about Antifa, Obama and Hillary as somehow being responsible for this murderous c@nt killing people? Get real. "

    " I'm so sick and tired of people with 'outrageous' and contrarian opinions pleading the 'right' to free speech and having an opinion when someone challenges them on their bull**** logic and reasoning. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it sacrosanct, those protestors had every right to object to a bunch of racist, Hitler loving c@nts and there is no 'justification' for the attack on them. "
    " I'm so sick and tired of people with 'outrageous' and contrarian opinions pleading the 'right' to free speech and having an opinion when someone challenges them on their bull**** logic and reasoning "
    The best way to challenge such opinions & opinions that don,t agree with ones worldview is through calm rational debate, which could be done at a public forum/venue or a college debate etc where both sides put forward their best speakers both get equal speaking times, both get to challenge each other & at the end both take questions & answers from the audience that would be a much better way to challenge opinions , but groups like Antifa aren,t Interested in doing that all they want to do is to create trouble .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    This is all on Obama and Hiliary. They kept encouraging black power groups to attack American heritage. The Confederate monument...do they think the civil war never happened, that thousands of young men didn't make the ultimate sacrifice for the South? It's disturbing how they're rewriting and airbrushing history. They refer to riots like Watts and Newark as rebellions, when it as mainly looting and wanton violence. God help America if they aren't put back in their place soon.

    On a personal level I think its a shame people who believe stuff like this continue to rut and indoctrinate their offspring into this kind of backward rhetoric.

    Alas, here we are and I personally believe that anybody has the right to believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on others, I believe in debate, I believe in educating people to one day be rid of the historical divisions and generational hatred that holds the whole world back.

    I don't think it was right that Milo was unable to speak for example, I don't think driving things underground is a way to change anything, bring it out into the light, expose it for what it is and debate it. You lose the debate automatically if you don't show up or if your only argument is to scream louder then anybody else/stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to let one side have their say.

    You lose your moral high ground once you become violent/oppressive. There is no excuse or justification that can be made for that scumbag driving his car into a crowd of people, none. There is no easy fix to the divisions in America, they are deep rooted and have been stirred up a hell of a lot in recent times but one thing I know for sure is that violence is not the answer because unless one side can wipe the other out (they can't) all you do is increase someones willingness to join a cause and give free propaganda to organisers.

    I don't claim to know all the answers about how to heal America or start the reconciliation process, but I do know the path they are going down does not have a good end.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    When people ask why am I bringing up events over the last year ? these tweets phrase it in a better way then I do .
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896421076984397824
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/896424713890615296
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/838207152292417536

    I don't recall anyone being murdered at trump rallies??
    No one may of been murdered yet but there has been attempted murders & serious injuries to people who support Trump.

    A wave of liberal rage has marked the last 11 months since the rise and subsequent election of President Donald Trump.
    Antifa protestors clad in black masks shut down college campuses, destroy property and indiscriminately attack those they disagree with, whether women or the elderly. Meanwhile, CNN fires Kathy Griffin for taking photos with a bloody replica of the president’s decapitated head.
    Amid this backdrop, The Huffington Post publishes an article calling for the execution of Trump and “everyone assisting his agenda.”
    Then, shots ring out as a man gorged on media hysteria attempts to slaughter Republican congressmen while they practice for a charity baseball game.

    The aggression since Trump’s nomination is difficult to enumerate, but nevertheless, The Daily Caller News Foundation pored over media reports to compile a close but non-exhaustive list of violent acts against conservatives in months following the Republican National Convention.
    In creating the list, TheDCNF reviewed numerous articles detailing attacks and violent threats against conservatives and Trump supporters. While there are examples of anonymous threats, TheDCNF chose to include only those that resulted in the cancelling of events and two to members of Congress deemed credible. Some instances of violence between rival protestors were not included as it was difficult to ascertain who initiated the event.
    Events Over Time:
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    June 2016: 
    – Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.
    July 2016:
    -A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.
    August 2016:
    -Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.
    A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.
    -A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.
    September 2016:
    -Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.
    October 2016:
    -A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”
    November 2016:
    -A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.
    -The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.
    -Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.
    -A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    No one may of been murdered yet but there has been attempted murders & serious injuries to people who support Trump.




    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/

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    It's only pure luck there wasn't dozens killed today


    Will that lad face the death penalty in that state??


    The right to peaceful protest is every bit as important as the right to free speech imo


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