Right-wing vs. Left-wing Clashes [MOD NOTE POST #1]

ThisRegard

AnGaelach wrote: »

The car was allegedly registered to the father of an anti-Trump guy who said the car was his on social media. It looks like he ran over the wrong crowd and was probably looking for the "far-right".

Are people just making things like this up now? You'll find others saying the exact opposite.

AnGaelach wrote: »

T Seeing as how the police haven't released any details about the driver, ...... I'd call deflecting.

The info is out there.


In general this thread rates high on the nonsense scale, there's so much rubbish posted in it.

The Legend Of Kira

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I actually can't believe a human  can somehow justisfy this murder. Ploughing into a group of people is ruthless aggression.

It is act of savage violence. He will receive the full whip of the law. He is no different to ISIS scum.

To be un-pc about it. The dimness on show yesterday. A cesspool of idiocy. A movement of hate. Un-educated morons.

I have read over everyones post on this thread, I don,t think anyone is trying justify it, what some people are trying to say normalisation of political violence is stupid & leads down a dangerous path in the longer term, in the last year political violence against Trump supporters has being normalised people have physically attacked for supporting Trump/wearing Trump t shirts/ physically attacked  for wanting to go hear pro trump speaker at their local college/local uni/ pro Trump speakers have being targeted with violence + riots in the streets to prevent their speaking engagement going ahead.
Everytime there is a pro Trump rally or a pro Trump speaker at a public speaking event there is a call by Antifa groups on social media for " Direct Action against it " which is a code for political violence  against people you disagree with, anyone who calls for political violence or anyone who takes part in political violence has helped + played his/her part in the normalisation of political violence , those who oppose Trump have two options open to them ( 1 ) continue on this current path of normalised political violence which leads to dangerous consequences or ( 2 ) engage Trump supporters in open public rational debate , I think we all know which of the two is the safer more reasonable option in the longer term .

Nody

ThisRegard wrote: »

Are people just making things like this up now? You'll find others saying the exact opposite.

It was doing the rounds on alt right twitter accounts around midnight as "justification" how it was not actually a Trump white supremacist who was the cause of it. Hell the KKK Grand Master at a time even stated it was actually a black person in the car (how he'd know that seeing he were no where close to the car and the photos of the arrest dispelled that fact is another "I grasp things out of thing air" moment).

ThisRegard

ricero wrote: »

By what i have read it seems like the liberal idiots and the scum antifa started the violence yesterday.

Selective reading will always give you confirmation bias.

The Legend Of Kira

StringerBell wrote: »

It isn't helpful to use memes that are factually incorrect to make a point.

Photo 1 in that meme, Antifa rioted in the streets + destroyed property to prevent free speech event with Milo, Photo 2 they violently attacked a guy for the thoughtcrime of wearing a Trump t shirt , photo 3 they attacked a guy who wanted to go to the Milo event to hear him speak, photo 4 they attacked an old age pensioner at a pro Trump rally .

BabyCheeses

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

Yes, the left lead to a war about slavery and Nazism.

The Confederates and Nazis had their ideologies long before any of these people were born.

Danzy

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Kkk and Antifa are the same in my eyes. Both extremists. If this march had been allowed to pass off peacefully, that would probably be the end of it but now I'd say Kkk, far right, etc will step up a campaign to protest and disrupt marches on the other side. Sort of revenge events.


The guy who plowed the car into protesters Im not sure how he could mount a defence to his behaviour.


Not sure removing statues is a great idea either. General Lee was an important figure in American history who was a brilliant battlefield General often defeating superior forces. His surrender rather than fight an insurgency helped end the war and helped will reconciliation of both sides.


Whole event looked like something from the early civil rights era

This is the thing the type of individual who joins the Klan or Antifa operate with the same mindset, absolutist thinking, authoritarian but believe themselves to be otherwise, passionate about repressing others they dislike and willing to use violence to do it, they use an ideological platform to allow them to project.

Antifa and the Klan should be all rounded up and dropped off on a deserted Island. They'll find they have more in common than they think.

A Little Pony

ricero wrote: »

By what i have read it seems like the liberal idiots and the scum antifa started the violence yesterday.

Horrible incident and i expect not the last of its kind in america

If they went looking for trouble then they found it.

Nody

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

I have read over everyones post on this thread, I don,t think anyone is trying justify it

Really? So what do you call your own post then?

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in [/font][/size][/color]Charlottesville ?

Justification? Oh he snapped 'cause it's all Antifa's fault anyway. Which you doubled down on as the excuse with:

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

Btw; you still did no answer my question if you are ok with 911 since that was based on the same justification of violence breeds violence. If you're ok with this guy driving in due to seeing violence you have to be ok with 911 done based on the same justification.

But let's continue about the "no justification in thread" claim:

frostyjacks wrote: »

I don't believe it was his intent when he woke up in the morning. If he was planning on that sort of attack, he probably wouldn't use a nice car registered in his own name. Either use a banger or rent a van. I reckon he took a wrong turn, the mob clocked him as an evil white man, he panicked in fear for his life and pressed the accelerator instead of the break. It happens quite often.

Clearly no one is trying to justify in on thread, no sir...

A Little Pony

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

Yes, the left lead to a war about slavery and Nazism.

The Confederates and Nazis had their ideologies long before any of these people were born.

People should read Shelby Foote on the war between the states.

The Legend Of Kira

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

Yes, the left lead to a war about slavery and Nazism.

The Confederates and Nazis had their ideologies long before any of these people were born.

In the last year it was elements of the left who created the path for the normalisation of political violence not Trump supporters .

The Legend Of Kira

Nody wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

I have read over everyones post on this thread, I don,t think anyone is trying justify it

Really? So what do you call your own post then?

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Lets ask the question if there wasn,t countless Antifa violence over the last year, would that driver of still snapped in [/font][/size][/color]Charlottesville ?

Justification? Oh he snapped 'cause it's all Antifa's fault anyway. Which you doubled down on as the excuse with:

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, if there hadn,t of been endless political violence by militant left wingers over the last year its highly doubtful that some lone nut would of felt the need to do what he did today " violence breeds violence " .

Btw; you still did no answer my question if you are ok with 911 since that was based on the same justification of violence breeds violence. If you're ok with this guy driving in due to seeing violence you have to be ok with 911 done based on the same justification.

But let's continue about the "no justification in thread" claim:

frostyjacks wrote: »

I don't believe it was his intent when he woke up in the morning.  If he was planning on that sort of attack, he probably wouldn't use a nice car registered in his own name.  Either use a banger or rent a van.  I reckon he took a wrong turn, the mob clocked him as an evil white man, he panicked in fear for his life and pressed the accelerator instead of the break.  It happens quite often.

Clearly no one is trying to justify in on thread, no sir...

I will rephrase it in better way , if political violence wasn,t normalised over the past year would things of lead to what they lead to yesterday in Charlottesville ? " ok with 9/11 " ?  why would I or any rational person be ok with 9/11 ? of course Im not ok with 9/11 as Im a rational person not an Islamic extremist .

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Gbear

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The outcome of the civil war was emancipation (even though that was not the aim of the union at the start of the war but that's another debate).

If you are going to rename the park from one side of the civil war to that of the other (in this case the outcome of the other) then it's going to be seen by one side as an attack on their heritage.

A neutral name would have made more sense.

Only if their heritage is in conflict with that name directly.

You'd have a point if they changed it from a Confederate general's name to a Union general's.

Instead they changed it to a name representing the abolition of slavery.

If that's in conflict with their heritage, then that's saying their heritage is horrific racism.
If that's the case and they throw a strop because you're undermining their heritage, then nobody should indulge their tantrum, anymore than they should for Nazi's in Germany or Communists in the East.

PopePalpatine

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

In the last year it was elements of the left who created the path for the normalisation of political violence not Trump supporters.

That reminds me...

BabyCheeses

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

In the last year it was elements of the left who created the path for the normalisation of political violence not Trump supporters .

The world didn't begin a year ago. Nazis killed over 6 million people and were the enemy in one of the largest wars the world has seen.

Dyr

Samaris wrote: »

You know, an awful lot of people, when asked by their grandchildren what it was like living in the early-century turmoil and what they did will most likely have to answer "I argued a lot on the internet about it", but there's gonna be a fair amount that may have to honestly say "I found it hilarious and trolled the people worried about it because I hated liberals far more than I hated white supremacists."

Actually not related to the last page or so, just a general observation.

tbh the grand kids are more likely to be living in in russia or canada and asking if you believed that climate change was a thing why the **** did you not do anything about it

The Legend Of Kira

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

In the last year it was elements of the left who created the path for the normalisation of political violence not Trump supporters .

The world didn't begin a year ago. Nazis killed over 6 million people and were the enemy in one of the largest wars the world has seen.

It is very well documented the list of political violence against Trump supporters over the last year.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/
Are you seriously trying to say all Trump supporters are " nazis " ?

BabyCheeses

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

It is very well documented the list of political violence against Trump supporters over the last year.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/
Are you seriously trying to say all Trump supporters are " nazis " ?

How many Trump supporters have been killed?

No, I'm talking about the people with swastikas and killing people, it just happens that Trump supporters have no problems with joining up with Nazis.

red ears

People warned back when many were celebrating Richard Spencer getting punched that violence can go both ways. Sadly that is what transpired. We had reckless Hollywood celebs bellowing out at award ceremonies that punching a 'Nazi' was only the beginning. Let these people talk, argue against them, make better points. Antifa violence was always going to result in right wing violence. That shouldn't surprise anyone.

Debate and talk, silencing people or attacking them for their views will never work.

Samaris

Nody wrote: »

You are aware that white supremacists perform over twice the number of terrorist attacks in USA compared to Islamic attacks, right? Or that the white supremacists attacks are twice as likely to have a deadly outcome? And that they are less than 50% as likely to be stopped by the police before they happen?



But hey; why let facts stop your delusions about who performs terrorist attacks in the USA.

Uh huh. It's totes the left stirring up all the violence and the poor innocent KKK are just trying to have a little march, maybe some tea and buns and they just keep getting attacked for no reason.

People could be forgiven for thinking you (Kira, possibly red ears) are "okay" with the side you support committing violence, given how when it does, you are salivating to blame the other side and refusing, ducking and diving to avoid talking about that there is a woman dead and nineteen people injured because a white supremacist drove a car into them deliberately. Your points regarding the scary leftists stoking violence to the point where people just -had- to come around to the idea of white supremacism and subjugating the other races (logic!) just doesn't measure up that well going by the data. You're right that violence breeds violence -but it's the violent thugs -you- defend and deflect from that are doing the majority of it.

As for the guy trying to justify it by "he was scared by the scary parade"...I have no words except to wonder what planet he's on and what he was reading.

martingriff

red ears wrote: »

People warned back when many were celebrating Richard Spencer getting punched that violence can go both ways. Sadly that is what transpired. We had reckless Hollywood celebs bellowing out at award ceremonies that punching a 'Nazi' was only the beginning. Let these people talk, argue against them, make better points. Antifa violence was always going to result in right wing violence. That shouldn't surprise anyone.

Debate and talk, silencing people or attacking them for their views will never work.

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

Danzy

martingriff wrote: »

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

The point that there were nothing but assholes on each side, who have the same mentality to each other, even though opposing each other is a valid one.

Samaris

Danzy wrote: »

The point that there were nothing but assholes on each side, who have the same mentality to each other, even though opposing each other is a valid one.

Okay, let us break that down. Why was the 32 year old woman that was run down by a car that was deliberately driven into her an asshole? Specific examples, please. What did she do to you?


Your argument appears to end up at the brick wall of "she was protesting white supremacy, therefore she's an asshole", but feel free to give me a list of what she did to you that is so bad that she is the same as the guy that murdered her in a terrorist attack?

red ears

martingriff wrote: »

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

Why would you even post that if you have read this thread fully? Seriously?

If I was your English teacher you'd be getting an F for comprehension. Nowhere have I implied that about him.

martingriff

red ears wrote: »

martingriff wrote: »

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

Why would you even post that if you have read this thread fully? Seriously?

If I was your English teacher you'd be getting an F for comprehension. Nowhere have I implied that about him.

You are blaming everyone else for what happened. The only people to blame for the yesterday was those people

Danzy

Samaris wrote: »

Okay, let us break that down. Why was the 32 year old woman that was run down by a car that was deliberately driven into her an asshole? Specific examples, please. What did she do to you?


Your argument appears to end up at the brick wall of "she was protesting white supremacy, therefore she's an asshole", but feel free to give me a list of what she did to you that is so bad that she is the same as the guy that murdered her in a terrorist attack?

I don't know that person, it is very sad that she died, if he did it deliberately, and I presume he did, then he deserves the death penalty.

Both the Klan and Antifa types are largely the same type of individual, who just have ended up acting out on different sides.

There will be plenty of harmless people going along who will often end up getting hurt, if they had sense they would corral Antifa and the Klan into one street and beat the **** out of both of them.

Both sides represent the worst and most murderous tendencies of the political divide of the last century.

no.8

martingriff wrote:

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

Ugh...yawwwwn. Get off your childish high-horse please, for the sake of a credible debate. It irks, it really does. How can so many have such strong opposing agenda's and hypocritical ones at that. Classic case being europes crisis.
There were elements of filth on both sides yesterday, please acknowledge that at least! Tragic death of that young lady but I'm almost certain you wouldnt care if the shoe was on the other foot.

The Legend Of Kira

Samaris wrote: »

Nody wrote: »

You are aware that white supremacists perform over twice the number of terrorist attacks in USA compared to Islamic attacks, right? Or that the white supremacists attacks are twice as likely to have a deadly outcome? And that they are less than 50% as likely to be stopped by the police before they happen?



But hey; why let facts stop your delusions about who performs terrorist attacks in the USA.

Uh huh. It's totes the left stirring up all the violence and the poor innocent KKK are just trying to have a little march, maybe some tea and buns and they just keep getting attacked for no reason.

People could be forgiven for thinking you (Kira, possibly red ears) are "okay" with the side you support committing violence, given how when it does, you are salivating to blame the other side and refusing, ducking and diving to avoid talking about that there is a woman dead and nineteen people injured because a white supremacist drove a car into them deliberately. Your points regarding the scary leftists stoking violence to the point where people just -had- to come around to the idea of white supremacism and subjugating the other races (logic!) just doesn't measure up that well going by the data. You're right that violence breeds violence -but it's the violent thugs -you- defend and deflect from that are doing the majority of it.

As for the guy trying to justify it by "he was scared by the scary parade"...I have no words except to wonder what planet he's on and what he was reading.

Read over my posts Im not just referring to one specific incident nor am I just referring to yesterday, Trump has many supporters they aren,t all KKK types, many Trump supporters have being violently targeted for the thoughtcrime of wearing a Trump t shirt or the the thoughtcrime of wanting to see & hear a pro Trump speaker .


If people want to peacefully counter protest a pro Trump rally Im ok with it, example last month there was a Rally for life in Dublin that was met a by pro repeal the 8th counter protest , while there might of been abuse & words exchanged etc it didn,t boil over into political violence .

Samaris

Danzy wrote: »

I don't know that person, it is very sad that she died, if he did it deliberately, and I presume he did, then he deserves the death penalty.

Both the Klan and Antifa types are largely the same type of individual, who just have ended up acting out on different sides.

There will be plenty of harmless people going along who will often end up getting hurt, if they had sense they would corral Antifa and the Klan into one street and beat the **** out of both of them.

Both sides represent the worst and most murderous tendencies of the political divide of the last century.

That much I can agree with you with, Danzy. What I cannot agree with is that anyone who protests white supremacy - seriously, think about that concept for a few minutes. There is nothing good or cohesive or not divisive about a concept that is literally about subjugating other races and those that disagree with them. That is what white supremacy is. That is what Islamic supremacy is. That is what black supremacy is.


But it was the white supremacists marching yesterday and the people that man injured and the woman that he killed were not black supremacists, they were protesting white supremacy. I cannot agree that anyone who protests white supremacy (or any other form of deeply authoritarian dangerous ideology) is evil just because they are protesting. There is a very dangerous push in this thread and elsewhere to equate them exactly, so they cancel each other. So if a woman protesting peacefully, as all the videos indicate that march was, is murdered in the street, it can be argued that sure, they're all as bad as each other. That is what is happening. Look back at the last few pages. Look at the deflection, the whataboutery, the attempts to dodge any condemnation of a terrorist attack.

This is not reasonable debate. That is a goddam agenda, and a nasty one too.

I do agree with you that Antifa and the KKK are both dangerous sets of thugs and need to be dealt with. But I do not and will not agree that anyone protesting either is automatically the opposite extreme.

no.8 wrote: »

Ugh...yawwwwn. Get off your childish high-horse please, for the sake of a credible debate. It irks, it really does. How can so many have such strong opposing agenda's and hypocritical ones at that. Classic case being europes crisis.
There were elements of filth on both sides yesterday, please acknowledge that at least! Tragic death of that young lady but I'm almost certain you wouldnt care if the shoe was on the other foot.

There were. But there is no evidence that she was one of them. There is no evidence that the nineteen injured were violent. There is no evidence that the parade that was mowed through was violent. There is no evidence that Fields had any reason to feel threatened enough to attempt slaughter. All the evidence points the other direction. And people are angry that liars came out to blacken her and others. Reason was tried, it didn't work. It rarely does against intentional lies.

And I for one would care if the shoe was on the other foot, if someone peacefully protesting a black supremacist march was murdered in the street by a coward with a car and no sense of proportion, reason nor empathy.

BabyCheeses

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Read over my posts Im not just referring to one specific incident nor am I just referring to yesterday, Trump has many supporters they aren,t all KKK types, many Trump supporters have being violently targeted for the thoughtcrime of wearing a Trump t shirt or the the thoughtcrime of wanting to see & hear a pro Trump speaker .


If people want to peacefully counter protest a pro Trump rally Im ok with it, example last month there was a Rally for life in Dublin that was met a by pro repeal the 8th counter protest , while there might of been abuse & words exchanged etc it didn,t boil over into political violence .

How many Trump supporters have been killed?

Danzy

Samaris wrote: »

That much I can agree with you with, Danzy. What I cannot agree with is that anyone who protests white supremacy - seriously, think about that concept for a few minutes. There is nothing good or cohesive or not divisive about a concept that is literally about subjugating other races and those that disagree with them. That is what white supremacy is. That is what Islamic supremacy is. That is what black supremacy is.


But it was the white supremacists marching yesterday and the people that man injured and the woman that he killed were not black supremacists, they were protesting white supremacy. I cannot agree that anyone who protests white supremacy (or any other form of deeply authoritarian dangerous ideology) is evil just because they are protesting. There is a very dangerous push in this thread and elsewhere to equate them exactly, so they cancel each other. So if a woman protesting peacefully, as all the videos indicate that march was, is murdered in the street, it can be argued that sure, they're all as bad as each other. That is what is happening. Look back at the last few pages. Look at the deflection, the whataboutery, the attempts to dodge any condemnation of a terrorist attack.

This is not reasonable debate. That is a goddam agenda, and a nasty one too.

I do agree with you that Antifa and the KKK are both dangerous sets of thugs and need to be dealt with. But I do not and will not agree that anyone protesting either is automatically the opposite extreme.




There were. But there is no evidence that she was one of them. There is no evidence that the nineteen injured were violent. There is no evidence that the parade that was mowed through was violent. There is no evidence that Fields had any reason to feel threatened enough to attempt slaughter. All the evidence points the other direction. And people are angry that liars came out to blacken her and others. Reason was tried, it didn't work. It rarely does against intentional lies.

And I for one would care if the shoe was on the other foot, if someone peacefully protesting a black supremacist march was murdered in the street by a coward with a car and no sense of proportion, reason nor empathy.

A fair point which I'll take on board.*

*Is that allowed to be written on a forum?

The absolutism of both sides makes things like this inevitable, the inability, the firm belief that dialogue must not be entertained, the logic of no platforming, that this or that side is all bad or all good has taken root in America in a very toxic way.

This isn't just about this incident but American politics in general.

I think that those protesting have done more to bring this exceptionally micro niche group of people to a world wide platform. Would anyone outside of Richard Spencer's family know who he is without the promotional work that his opponents have put in for him.

It is as much about themselves as opposing him because he is an asshat.

BillyBobBS

BabyCheeses wrote: »

How many Trump supporters have been killed?

None. What do you think about the attacks on Trump supporters by violent leftist extremists?

The Legend Of Kira

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Read over my posts Im not just referring to one specific incident nor am I just referring to yesterday, Trump has many supporters they aren,t all KKK types, many Trump supporters have being violently targeted for the thoughtcrime of wearing a Trump t shirt or the the thoughtcrime of wanting to see & hear a pro Trump speaker .


If people want to peacefully counter protest a pro Trump rally Im ok with it, example last month there was a Rally for life in Dublin that was met a by pro repeal the 8th counter protest , while there might of been abuse & words exchanged etc it didn,t boil over into political violence .

How many Trump supporters have been killed?

For your info only two months ago there was an attempted murder of a Trump supporter who was stabbed 9 times .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6XclpdT-K8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/what-critical-condition-means_us_5942d483e4b0f15cd5b9eabe

BabyCheeses

BillyBobBS wrote: »

None. What do you think about the attacks on Trump supporters by violent leftist extremists?

huh, both sides must not be the same then.

Anyone causing harm to another should be charged with whatever relevant laws. I'm not going to make excuses for some people unlike other terrorist sympathizers.

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

For your info only two months ago there was an attempted murder of a Trump supporter who was stabbed 9 times .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6XclpdT-K8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/what-critical-condition-means_us_5942d483e4b0f15cd5b9eabe

How many Trump supporters have been killed? Someone else says none, is that true?

I should add that I can read, I don't need memes and polluting my youtube recommendations.

4068ac1elhodqr

For anyone interested in 'numerical astrological symbolic coincidences'
can they guess when the last solar eclipse with totalatity that covered the US coast to coast was?

nb. This was also during a period of clashing of ideologies.
nb. Aug 21st 2017 is the big upcoming one.

Danzy

Magdalena Spoiled Rifleman wrote: »

For anyone interested in 'numerical astrological symbolic coincidences'
can they guess when the last solar eclipse with totalatity that covered the US coast to coast was?

nb. This was also during a period of clashing of ideologies.
nb. Aug 21st 2017 is the big upcoming one.

April 8th, 2045?

red ears

Klansmen and Nazi supporters are vermin as are antifa.

Peaceful protesters on one side and peaceful white identitarians are fine imo. I have no problem with white people advocating for their race in a world where race seems to matter more and more. When people stop berating white people for their so called privelege and the sins of their forefathers and when people stop blaming white people for their own shortcomings then maybe we won't need advocates. It's open season on white people these days in universities and the media and this is not going unnoticed by young white men in particular. The growth of the alt right is not happening for no reason.

Sonics2k

red ears wrote: »

Klansmen and Nazi supporters are vermin as are antifa.

Peaceful protesters on one side and peaceful white identitarians are fine imo. I have no problem with white people advocating for their race in a world where race seems to matter more and more. When people stop berating white people for their so called privelege and the sins of their forefathers and when people stop blaming white people for their own shortcomings then maybe we won't need advocates. It's open season on white people these days in universities and the media and this is not going unnoticed by young white men in particular. The growth of the alt right is not happening for no reason.

Heh, it's funny because people have been saying this since the late 60's.

martingriff

no.8 wrote: »

martingriff wrote:

Ya the poor guy who ran down all those people. He should not be vilified. He should be taken to a resort and comforted. I mean he had no FREE WILL they must have had a gun to his head

Ugh...yawwwwn. Get off your childish high-horse please, for the sake of a credible debate. It irks, it really does. How can so many have such strong opposing agenda's and hypocritical ones at that. Classic case being europes crisis.
There were elements of filth on both sides yesterday, please acknowledge that at least! Tragic death of that young lady but I'm almost certain you wouldnt care if the shoe was on the other foot.

I am equally appalled by both filth I have never said otherwise please show where I have. What I am appalled by also are others trying to say this violence yesterday is the fault of others like they started it.

As for the horrible assertion that I would not be equally upset if an innocent supporter of Trump supporters I would be as violence is not the answer

martingriff

BabyCheeses wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Read over my posts Im not just referring to one specific incident nor am I just referring to yesterday, Trump has many supporters they aren,t all KKK types, many Trump supporters have being violently targeted for the thoughtcrime of wearing a Trump t shirt or the the thoughtcrime of wanting to see & hear a pro Trump speaker .


If people want to peacefully counter protest a pro Trump rally Im ok with it, example last month there was a Rally for life in Dublin that was met a by pro repeal the 8th counter protest , while there might of been abuse & words exchanged etc it didn,t boil over into political violence .

How many Trump supporters have been killed?

What is this none were killed does that make them superior or something. All violence from either side should be condemned

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Danzy wrote: »

April 8th, 2045?

This August event will go down as the first total solar eclipse whose path of totality stays completely in the United States since 1776, official beginning of its nationhood.

testaccount123

One thing I think we can all agree on is that if it ever came to a decision on letting millions of white religious republicans from the southern US into Europe we should certainly oppose it. I mean they dont all drive vehicles into crowds or anything but their culture is fundamentally at odds with European liberal values.

Danzy

I don't feel comfortable, in any degree with this White Identity stuff but it was inevitable from the very first moment, the left ditched class politics and became obsessed with Identity that it would grow as a niche movement.

It was only ever going to be a short time to some people in White Working Class areas going me too and there was always a small cohort waiting for that.

As it stands it is incredibly small in America, probably the weakest it has ever been but it is played up more than it ever has been, which helps it but gives a focus and a purpose for others as well.

There are a lot of blue collar workers who know that the self described progressives do not care for them, do not like them, have no respect for them. It is made so ****ing clear again and again.

Is it any wonder that a small bunch of them will gravitate to a dark place. They aren't made do that, they do that themselves but the Left has to get over its aversion to the old working class and the non-metro class. They seem to protest against neoliberalism in theory but love much of it in practice.

I have always voted Left, I always probably will but you can't blame working class people across the West from increasingly giving 2 fingers to it as a movement.

When you refuse to step up to the plate you make room for others like this micro group to do so.

The class divide between both sides at this protest is often one of the big things that stand out but then the Left across the West has become a largely Middle-Class and up movement, and its politics reflect that.

The left as a wide representative movement, as we knew it in the last century in many countries, is in reality dead, as a working class movement, laughable to even suggest so. The gap between it and its old base is now greater than that between the establishment right and its old base, which is some ****up to have made happen.

Thankfully only a very small no. of people have migrated in to this dark place, 1000 at a " major demo" out of a country of 300 million +.

Danzy

Magdalena Spoiled Rifleman wrote: »

This August event will go down as the first total solar eclipse whose path of totality stays completely in the United States since 1776, official beginning of its nationhood.

That is interesting enough.

Danzy

testaccount123 wrote: »

One thing I think we can all agree on is that if it ever came to a decision on letting millions of white religious republicans from the southern US into Europe we should certainly oppose it. I mean they dont all drive vehicles into crowds or anything but their culture is fundamentally at odds with European liberal values.

Agreed.

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Danzy wrote: »

That is interesting enough.

Indeed, the one previous to that was around the 1200's, so they're not too common in this scenario.

I highly suspect NK will offer a gift of some sort as he symbolically did on the 4th July on this eclipse.

This along with the current clashes/tensions will either strengthen or weaken the union on this new moon date.
The civil clashes may well escalate up to this date. New moons are always symbolic of 'new beginnings'.

'33' days after eclipse is the 23rd Sept, and astrologically is a very rare event also, some folks think it signifies the start of Rev'12.

A Little Pony

Danzy wrote: »

I don't feel comfortable, in any degree with this White Identity stuff but it was inevitable from the very first moment, the left ditched class politics and became obsessed with Identity that it would grow as a niche movement.

It was only ever going to be a short time to some people in White Working Class areas going me too and there was always a small cohort waiting for that.

As it stands it is incredibly small in America, probably the weakest it has ever been but it is played up more than it ever has been, which helps it but gives a focus and a purpose for others as well.

There are a lot of blue collar workers who know that the self described progressives do not care for them, do not like them, have no respect for them. It is made so ****ing clear again and again.

Is it any wonder that a small bunch of them will gravitate to a dark place. They aren't made do that, they do that themselves but the Left has to get over its aversion to the old working class and the non-metro class. They seem to protest against neoliberalism in theory but love much of it in practice.

I have always voted Left, I always probably will but you can't blame working class people across the West from increasingly giving 2 fingers to it as a movement.

When you refuse to step up to the plate you make room for others like this micro group to do so.

The class divide between both sides at this protest is often one of the big things that stand out but then the Left across the West has become a largely Middle-Class and up movement, and its politics reflect that.

The left as a wide representative movement, as we knew it in the last century in many countries, is in reality dead, as a working class movement, laughable to even suggest so. The gap between it and its old base is now greater than that between the establishment right and its old base, which is some ****up to have made happen.

Thankfully only a very small no. of people have migrated in to this dark place, 1000 at a " major demo" out of a country of 300 million +.

The yankees hate the South and hate the way it votes, hate everything about it pretty much and yet won't let them leave.

BabyCheeses

martingriff wrote: »

What is this none were killed does that make them superior or something. All violence from either side should be condemned

It should be condemned, instead here we have people trying to excuse it and act like nazism is the ideology of peace. Nobody has defended attacking Trump supporters while we have people pretending that driving a car through a crowd s the same as throwing eggs at them.

All violence as bad but the right like to use the excuse that they treat women and gay people better than ISIS so it's fine, suddenly everyone is the same.

Danzy

A Little Pony wrote: »

The yankees hate the South and hate the way it votes, hate everything about it pretty much and yet won't let them leave.

It is more than the Yankee and the South, they have as much contempt for the Local Union 404 Steel worker in Penn. as they do the bible thumper in Alabama.

It is reflected in much of the West today.