La Liga 2017/18 Superthread

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

Mascherano has long been considered one of the top dm in the world and a very good defender

He was forced into being a centre back, he definitely was not thought of as "a very good defender" beforehand as far as I remember. He grew in to the position and became a very decent defender.

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

He was forced into being a centre back, he definitely was not thought of as "a very good defender" beforehand as far as I remember. He grew in to the position and became a very decent defender.

Who the hell thought that
He possibly had the best timing in football for a tackle since Nesta/Maldini
He wasnt forced, he played there as it helped the team
He has always been a brilliant defender, he was the leader of the Argentine defence for about 15 years.
His job in the team has been defending his whole career. He played cb for Barca in recent years but he has always been a defender

The Floyd p

irishman86 wrote: »

Mascherano has long been considered one of the top dm in the world and a very good defender

Lots of people questioned the signing at the time and in the following years, usually phrased like "He's not a CB, he's a CDM who plays CB"

mickmackey1

irishman86 wrote: »

Who the hell thought that
He possibly had the best timing in football for a tackle since Nesta/Maldini
He wasnt forced, he played there as it helped the team
He has always been a brilliant defender, he was the leader of the Argentine defence for about 15 years.
His job in the team has been defending his whole career. He played cb for Barca in recent years but he has always been a defender

No it's true, he was a midfielder when he joined W Ham. None other than Fergie described him as 'the new Keane'... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/aug/31/newsstory.westhamunited

elefant

Valencia, Sevilla, Leganes and Espanyol for the cup semis? We can dream!

irishman86

The Floyd p wrote: »

Lots of people questioned the signing at the time and in the following years, usually phrased like "He's not a CB, he's a CDM who plays CB"

mickmackey1 wrote: »

No it's true, he was a midfielder when he joined W Ham. None other than Fergie described him as 'the new Keane'... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/aug/31/newsstory.westhamunited

Thats what i just said, hes a dm "Defensive Midfielder"
A midfielder that DEFENDS, so one of the best defenders in football
You do realise its not just cbs and fbs that defend in football

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

Who the hell thought that
He possibly had the best timing in football for a tackle since Nesta/Maldini
He wasnt forced, he played there as it helped the team
He has always been a brilliant defender, he was the leader of the Argentine defence for about 15 years.
His job in the team has been defending his whole career. He played cb for Barca in recent years but he has always been a defender

https://www.transfermarkt.com/javier-mascherano/nationalmannschaft/spieler/19981

How accurate those stats are, I don't know but of all the listings for his position with Argentina there isn't a single one for CB until June '17.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/javier-mascherano/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/19981/saison//verein/0/liga/0/wettbewerb//trainer_id/0/pos/3

From that link he didn't play a single game as a CB before Barca...

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

https://www.transfermarkt.com/javier-mascherano/nationalmannschaft/spieler/19981

How accurate those stats are, I don't know but of all the listings for his position with Argentina there isn't a single one for CB until June '17.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/javier-mascherano/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/19981/saison//verein/0/liga/0/wettbewerb//trainer_id/0/pos/3

From that link he didn't play a single game as a CB before Barca...

Who said anything about cb, i didnt as i pointed out all ready
I said he was one of the best defenders in football
Ye were the ones talking about cb which i then replied to

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

Thats what i just said, hes a dm "Defensive Midfielder"
A midfielder that DEFENDS, so one of the best defenders in football
You do realise its not just cbs and fbs that defend in football

Then why in the name of jaysus are you arguing a point that wasn't made. No one said he didn't defend, but he wasn't a defender playing as a CB before Barca and wasn't thought of as a decent defender (CB) until he made a name for himself at Barca.

You'd argue the colour of grass if you had the chance. A more argumentative poster I've never come across.

LuckyGent88

On another note, Real down 1-0 at home to Leganes in 2nd leg of cope del Rey. Level on aggregate now

The Floyd p

irishman86 wrote: »

Thats what i just said, hes a dm "Defensive Midfielder"
A midfielder that DEFENDS, so one of the best defenders in football
You do realise its not just cbs and fbs that defend in football

I do realise that, however what you're failing to grasp is that the signing didn't wasn't warmly received by the wider football public, not because Mascherano can't defend or doesn't have the IQ for it, but because he wasn't a traditional Centre Back. I'm just saying how I'm glad upon reflecting on his career at Barca that he was able to silence the critics who remarked that he wasn't a fitting replacement for Puyol at CB, namely because he wasn't a defender, he was a midfielder.

mickmackey1

irishman86 wrote: »

Thats what i just said, hes a dm "Defensive Midfielder"
A midfielder that DEFENDS, so one of the best defenders in football
You do realise its not just cbs and fbs that defend in football

You probably think Kane is a great defender because he comes back to clear a few corners :rolleyes::rolleyes: I give up.

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Then why in the name of jaysus are you arguing a point that wasn't made. No one said he didn't defend, but he wasn't a defender playing as a CB before Barca and wasn't thought of as a decent defender (CB) until he made a name for himself at Barca.

You'd argue the colour of grass if you had the chance. A more argumentative poster I've never come across.

Because he is a defender, like i said not just cbs and fbs defend
In fact id say he defends alot more than most cbs
Im not arguing anything buddy, im merely pointing out that nobody was shocked he was good at defending

irishman86

The Floyd p wrote: »

I do realise that, however what you're failing to grasp is that the signing didn't wasn't warmly received by the wider football public, not because Mascherano can't defend or doesn't have the IQ for it, but because he wasn't a traditional Centre Back. I'm just saying how I'm glad upon reflecting on his career at Barca that he was able to silence the critics who remarked that he wasn't a fitting replacement for Puyol at CB, namely because he wasn't a defender, he was a midfielder.

He wasnt signed as a cb though, i'm happy to, one of the modern greats
Appreciated by most fans
I never heard him signed as a Puyol replacement, perhaps im wrong

irishman86

mickmackey1 wrote: »

You probably think Kane is a great defender because he comes back to clear a few corners :rolleyes::rolleyes: I give up.

Because thats exactly the same as one of the best dm's of the modern era

irishman86

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

On another note, Real down 1-0 at home to Leganes in 2nd leg of cope del Rey. Level on aggregate now

2-1 ahead now, not sure if away goals count

NIMAN

irishman86 wrote: »

2-1 ahead now, not sure if away goals count

Just looking at how annoyed the Madrid players are leaving the pitch, I'd say away goals count!

fullstop

irishman86 wrote: »

Because he is a defender, like i said not just cbs and fbs defend
In fact id say he defends alot more than most cbs
Im not arguing anything buddy, im merely pointing out that nobody was shocked he was good at defending

he wasn't a defender. He was a midfielder. Playing a defensive midfield role and playing centre-half are very different. What's so hard to grasp about that?

Cypher_sounds

Real Madrid are out of the Copa Del Rey

KERSPLAT!

Absolutely nuts

Turtwig

For Madrid's sake zizu has to be gone tomorrow. Get in a coach who will have them competitive in the UCL.

NIMAN

Turtwig wrote: »

For Madrid's sake zizu has to be gone tomorrow. Get in a coach who will have them competitive in the UCL.

From all conquering coach to tube in 6 months.

Footballs a funny old game.

Turtwig

NIMAN wrote: »

From all conquering coach to tube in 6 months.

Footballs a funny old game.

A simple game that's complicated by idiots.

irishman86

Turtwig wrote: »

For Madrid's sake zizu has to be gone tomorrow. Get in a coach who will have them competitive in the UCL.

Either that or go big this transfer market, even still they should have won tonight. Cristiano and Bale not playing tonight was a terrible call

dfx-

in the pantheon of Madrid exits in the Copa del Rey in the 21st century, it isn't the worst. That still must be losing 4-0 at Alcorcon under Pellegrini iirc.

But that's one win at home in seven games I think...

Turtwig

Surely it has to be fielding a suspended player?

ollie1

Luis Suarez makes it 1-0 Barcelona with a header against Espanyol

ollie1

Messi scores and makes it 2-0 Barcelona with 26 mins gone in the match

irishman86

I feel sorry for defenders when Messi runs with the ball. He doesnt do anything difficult but manages to make people look very stupid with a drop of the shoulder

irishman86

Delighted to see Paulinho carded for that nonsense
Pathetic

inforfun

irishman86 wrote: »

I feel sorry for defenders when Messi runs with the ball. He doesnt do anything difficult but manages to make people look very stupid with a drop of the shoulder

Always a good time to post this one again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hjDINElwVc

irishman86

inforfun wrote: »

Always a good time to post this one again

Exactly nothing difficult, he just makes everything easy

sligeach

Big game on at the minute. Valencia vs Real Madrid, 3rd vs 4th. Could be Zidane's last game should Real lose.

sligeach

Stupid penalty given away by Montoya of Valencia. 1-0 down and they'd been the better side so far.

Turtwig

sligeach wrote: »

Stupid penalty given away by Montoya of Valencia.

Deja vu

sligeach

Another penalty to Real. 2-0. What a ******** joke! Montoya again responsible for giving it away. Don't think it was a penalty.

irishman86

Turtwig wrote: »

Deja vu

What was he at, he just jumped into him
terrible defending

irishman86

sligeach wrote: »

Another penalty to Real. 2-0. What a ******** joke! Montoya again responsible for giving it away. Don't think it was a penalty.

It was defo a penalty, terrible defending

Turtwig

irishman86 wrote: »

What was he at, he just jumped into him
terrible defending

Liverpool almost signed him at one stage. Would have been a perfect fit.

sligeach

Valencia must be disgusted. Another great chance missed. Not as bad as the one Kondogbia missed earlier. Valencia don't deserve to be losing.

Turtwig

Deserved goal for Valencia

sligeach

Valencia back in it. 2-1.

Rekop dog

Better team so far 2nd half. Came see them completing the comeback.

Rekop dog

Varane not progressing or imoroving as a centre back. He's not the future of Madrid.

sligeach

Valencia really piling on the pressure. They deserve a draw at least. Navas just about made that save with his feet.

NIMAN

Where you all watching this?

Rekop dog

Bein

NIMAN

Rekop dog wrote: »

Bein

Which number?

Rekop dog

NIMAN wrote: »

Which number?

I dunno, says bein sports HD, I've got a subscription package and it's the only English commentary channel showing it.

Turtwig

Game set and match

Valencia looked tired.