Ryanair call for curb on pre-flight drinking

keeponhurling

Seems not unreasonable.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rise-in-passenger-arrests-prompts-ryanair-call-for-curb-on-pre-flight-drinking-802002.html
"It's completely unfair that airports can profit from the unlimited sale of alcohol to passengers and leave the airlines to deal with the safety consequences," said Kenny Jacobs, chief marketing officer at Ryanair.

The airport bars make the profits, where the airlines and air hostesses deal with the hassle of drunk passengers.

Winterlong

Keep the punters thirsty until they are onboard and then flog them sachets of vodka and wine from plastic bottles. Kerching.

andekwarhola

keeponhurling wrote: »

The airport bars make the profits

Presumably Ryanair sell alcohol on their flights at a massive loss?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Boooo to this. Getting locked before a flight is mad craic altogether.

redcup342

Can of Worms

https://www.her.ie/life/dublin-airport-has-responded-to-the-controversy-about-boarding-cards-and-vat-249728

The only information that is tracked is the item purchased, the airline, and the destination in question. We do not record any personal information in relation to passengers.

It is policy in our stores to ask that passengers present their boarding car when making a purchase, however if any passenger buying a non duty free product and does not wish to provide this information, we will still make the sale.

So if they want to start tracking People personal purchases on Duty Paid Items, that's a Data Protection issue.

And do they start checking ID now as well to make sure its the correct one ? What happens when you buy a round of drinks ? You all have to go up and show your ID + boarding pass for each individual drink ?



I could see it now, 12 year old denied boarding due to consumption of 25 pints of Guinness.

VinLieger

Just breathalyse people before they get on board, if they dont pass a reasonable level then tough you aint flying.
Its called personal responsibility, no need to ruin the fun for everyone else cus a couple of morons are incapable of not drinking too much

andekwarhola

VinLieger wrote: »

Just breathalyse people before they get on board, if they dont pass a reasonable level then tough you aint flying.
Its called personal responsibility, no need to ruin the fun for everyone else cus a couple of morons are incapable of not drinking too much

Then loads of people will just stop flying with them and other operators will benefit.

Ironic really, given RA's incessant mantra of giving Joe Punter what they want.

TheDoc

If I'm honest I've never fully understood that sort of behaviour, getting pissed before a flight. I've been on stags, weekends away, trips with lads for a week, loads of differing types of scenarios that involved a plane. And I've just never subscribed to "party starts before the flight".

Like there is just an issue there if you can't wait until after your flight to get the drinks in. Have I had a drink before a flight? Sure I have, loads of times. but I've never felt the need or seen the point of getting pissed before my flight.

It's ridiculous carry on to be fair and considering the increased security and just generally tension that goes on in airports know, I think you're just being a twat if your getting sauced before a flight.

Pwindedd

VinLieger wrote: »

Just breathalyse people before they get on board, if they dont pass a reasonable level then tough you aint flying.
Its called personal responsibility, no need to ruin the fun for everyone else cus a couple of morons are incapable of not drinking too much

Where do you set the level though. If I drank 5 pints I'd be ghee-eyed and staggering but others you'd barely even notice. Shame to punish everyone for the misdeeds of a few. How about crates at the boarding gate? yes of course you can travel sir/madam but if you want to act like an animal you'll have to travel with them:D

selwyn froggitt

This will never take off!

Ubbquittious

Flying has gone to the dogs.

Drive onto the ferry, sit into the bar, have a few pints, get chatting to some crazy lady with a birds nest in her hair, sleep off the drink & drive off. Much better craic. No big brother, no endless rules, no cattle crush for humans, no queuing, nobody looking through your stuff, no nudie scanners, no wet behind the ears security staff accusing you of being a terrorist because he wants to make a name for himself.

seamus

VinLieger wrote: »

Just breathalyse people before they get on board, if they dont pass a reasonable level then tough you aint flying.
Its called personal responsibility, no need to ruin the fun for everyone else cus a couple of morons are incapable of not drinking too much

Before you do anything, you should assert whether this is an actual problem.

Ryanair love being in the news.

What percentage of Ryanair flights have had security incidents on them due to passengers being intoxicated before take off?

Identify whether a problem exists before we start proposing solutions to it.

People getting gee-eyed pre flight is not something I've seen much, if any, of. Most people turn up 30-60 minutes before a flight, which doesn't leave a lot of time for getting hammered.

Grayson

I read an article this morning where cabin crew from another airline say they quite often find empty litre bottles of vodka on the plane during cleaning.

Cordell

Maybe those are left behind by the pilots
I've seen lads passing a bottle of water between them and getting increasingly happier. How do you fight this?

TheDoc

seamus wrote: »

Before you do anything, you should assert whether this is an actual problem.

Ryanair love being in the news.

What percentage of Ryanair flights have had security incidents on them due to passengers being intoxicated before take off?

Identify whether a problem exists before we start proposing solutions to it.

People getting gee-eyed pre flight is not something I've seen much, if any, of. Most people turn up 30-60 minutes before a flight, which doesn't leave a lot of time for getting hammered.

I don't travel as much anymore but there was a time I was travelling regularly for work and they were hardly party destinations, but it was just so common to see especially in first class.

It wasn't so much a group of lads acting the bollox, sure, that happens on certain flights and has happened for as long as I've been on planes, but I think more seedy and disturbing and unacceptable is the behaviour outlined in the original programme.

Business men getting juiced before a flight and getting lose with their hands and behaviour to female airline staff. Say it all the time and happy that I didn't sit by idly letting it pass. There is a level of entitlement and boldness in some people that knows no bounds or common etiquette and behaviour.

A frequent flight I would do was to Brussels and I'd be on a relatively dead and empty flight out, but a pretty busy flight back where a lot of passengers, who would be flying as part representation of various Government departments, were acting in wholly inappropriate fashion and I always saw it as a disgrace considering it wasn't difficult identifying these people. Maybe I was being a sap at the time but I was young and flying to meet clients and conducted myself as representing my company at every stage, obviously some people just don't have those sort of standards of ethics.

I definitly would put it down to just "lads on tour" stereotypes. Sure that happens and it can be a pain, but to be honest sometimes very enjoyable and good craic and can be in good spirits.

It's the seedy crass behaviour towards airline staff when under the influence that always annoys me.

ED E

Ryanair and LCCs are probably the worst impacted by Danno and the lads having 12 pints before they head to Santa Ponsa.

Being stuck in a tube with 180 other feckers is rough enough as it is without them being hammered, I'd be all in favour of a complete booze ban for short haul.

lisasimpson

Cant believe it but for once I kindof agree with Ryanair...nothing worse than a hammered fool on a flight. And if someone is a nervous flyer a drunk causing hassle wont help them either
Ive no objection to someone having a drink before hand or a drink on board.

Working class heroes

Jaysus lads, it's a publicity stunt.

Anyone remember "pay to piss".........

Academic

keeponhurling wrote: »

Seems not unreasonable.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rise-in-passenger-arrests-prompts-ryanair-call-for-curb-on-pre-flight-drinking-802002.html
"It's completely unfair that airports can profit from the unlimited sale of alcohol to passengers and leave the airlines to deal with the safety consequences," said Kenny Jacobs, chief marketing officer at Ryanair.

The airport bars make the profits, where the airlines and air hostesses deal with the hassle of drunk passengers.

Sounds rational to me.


To respond to a few points raised by subsequent posters:


I couldn’t care less why Ryanair is proposing this. Neither is it relevant to me that I don’t do it myself and do not understand those who do. The point is that this is a genuine safety issue, as anyone who has been following the news over the past year or so is aware. I’m in favour of the proposed airport-wide limit of a certain number of drinks per boarding pass. And I couldn’t care less who makes or loses money from it.
While the breath-test proposal seems rational at first blush, I don’t see it being practical. People would show up drunk and would need to be tested, some who fail would protest, all of which would delay boarding. Flights wouldn’t leave on time.

SEPT 23 1989

Alcohol is the only reason I can get on those flying death tubes

Vic_08

Ryanair in particular have a cheek criticising airports for flogging booze to passengers. Their entire business model is based on squeezing small regional airports to the point that they are paying Ryanair to host their flights. The airports are left with flogging stuff and car parking to generate revenue.

BTW there is a BBC programme about this on tonight, presumably that is linked to this PR.

Anything crappy involving flying that Ryanair can claim to not be their fault is worthy of a front page banner in their world.

Academic

Vic_08 wrote: »

Ryanair in particular have a cheek criticising airports for flogging booze to passengers. Their entire business model is based on squeezing small regional airports to the point that they are paying Ryanair to host their flights. The airports are left with flogging stuff and car parking to generate revenue.

BTW there is a BBC programme about this on tonight, presumably that is linked to this PR.

Anything crappy involving flying that Ryanair can claim to not be their fault is worthy of a front page banner in their world.

OK. Forget Ryanair for the moment.

Are you denying that drunken passengers are a problem? If you are, then fair enough. But if you admit that it’s a problem for all airlines then why does it matter which one proposes a solution?

Grayson

Here's a link to the guardian story.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/aug/14/ive-been-sworn-at-vomited-on-and-touched-inappropriately-by-drunken-passengers

According to tonight’s Panorama programme there have been 387 arrests for drunken air behaviour in the last year, a rise of 50%. The numbers may well be much higher says a former flight attendant

The worst thing I’ve seen is a passenger who mixed medication and alcohol – he thought we were trapping him and tried to open the plane door. It’s not actually possible but he scared a lot of people and he was restrained. In the morning, he had no recollection.

My colleagues have experienced passengers urinating on people, performing public sexual activities and inflicting physical bodily harm. It is not acceptable and the time has come for the law to be enforced. With just 387 passengers arrested for drunken behaviour in the year to February 2017, yet 90% of crew saying they deal with such incidents, something doesn’t add up.

Del2005

Academic wrote: »

OK. Forget Ryanair for the moment.

Are you denying that drunken passengers are a problem? If you are, then fair enough. But if you admit that it’s a problem for all airlines then why does it matter which one proposes a solution?

There's already laws in place to deal with drunks, just use them instead of making up new ones. This again is another punish the majority instead of dealing with the problem plan.

ED E

The simple solution is for ICAO to add any offenders to a blacklist. No more holidays for the rest of your life. People will pipe down.

HeidiHeidi

Slightly O/T, but - don't Ryanair already operate a dry flight from Glasgow to Ibiza (or somewhere party-centralish in Spain)?

Or is that just an urban myth?

ETA - not my imagination after all https://www.rt.com/uk/247453-ryanair-bans-alcohol-ibiza/ (can't vouch for the reliability of that website though!)

BailMeOut

you are all being trolled by Michael O'Leary. File this away with paying to use the toilets, stand up only flights, single pilot planes, etc...

Aglomerado

TheDoc wrote: »

If I'm honest I've never fully understood that sort of behaviour, getting pissed before a flight. I've been on stags, weekends away, trips with lads for a week, loads of differing types of scenarios that involved a plane. And I've just never subscribed to "party starts before the flight".

Like there is just an issue there if you can't wait until after your flight to get the drinks in. Have I had a drink before a flight? Sure I have, loads of times. but I've never felt the need or seen the point of getting pissed before my flight.

It's ridiculous carry on to be fair and considering the increased security and just generally tension that goes on in airports know, I think you're just being a twat if your getting sauced before a flight.

I enjoy an airport pint (or two) but leave it at that because I hate going to the toilet on planes.
Also the drink is usually cheaper at your destination (unless it's Norway!) so I'll wait until then to get bladdered.


Loud drunk people on a flight are really annoying, far worse than screaming babies (they can't help it in fairness).

I was delayed in Krakow airport a few years ago and there was a loud drunk Cork Norrie woman with her two teenage children, they were also drunk. Just my luck, they ended up sitting next to me.... the flight attendant took the cans they'd bought in the terminal from them, and the mother fell asleep on me. When we were landing in Cork, the daughter had passed out across her mother's lap with her seat belt off, the flight attendant had a terrible job waking her up to put her belt on for landing and clip her tray table up....

Beefy78

From the article:
"The airline has already banned customers from drinking duty-free alcohol on flights and stopped people flying from Glasgow Prestwick and Manchester to Alicante and Ibiza from bringing it on board the aircraft at all."

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to open/drink duty free booze on board. It's certainly illegal in America and I'd think it is here too.

I love an airport pint so I hope they don't stop serving until 10am. That said I noticed T2 at Dublin is now selling two pint steins of beer. That doesn't seem like a great idea.

ohnonotgmail

Beefy78 wrote: »

From the article:
"The airline has already banned customers from drinking duty-free alcohol on flights and stopped people flying from Glasgow Prestwick and Manchester to Alicante and Ibiza from bringing it on board the aircraft at all."

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to open/drink duty free booze on board. It's certainly illegal in America and I'd think it is here too.

I love an airport pint so I hope they don't stop serving until 10am. That said I noticed T2 at Dublin is now selling two pint steins of beer. That doesn't seem like a great idea.

I agree. the beer is usually flat and warm by the time you get to the end.

Riskymove

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to open/drink duty free booze on board. It's certainly illegal in America and I'd think it is here too.

yes it is....but the aticle indicates how difficult it si if lots of people simply ignore that and drink duty free onboard- whole bottles of spirits!

To the extent that Ryanair have had to force people to put it in the hold

keeponhurling

Beefy78 wrote: »

From the article:




I noticed T2 at Dublin is now selling two pint steins of beer. That doesn't seem like a great idea.

cbreeze

Last time I was in Heathrow there was a drunk passenger - not too bad, he could walk and talk - he was denied boarding. Airlines have the right to prevent drunks from boarding.

All Ryanair has to do is pick one drunk per departure, say the drunkest one of a group, refuse to board him (or her) or just offload them and then bar them forever. A group will soon get the message. Drunk pal can sober up and get the next flight out if he or she can find a carrier willing to take them.

princemuzzy

I don't think it's the level of intoxication that bothers them more where they buy the booze If they were to stop selling beer on board I'd support them but they won't

Was recently on a flight to Germany and a group of lads were pissed up getting on and loud and obnoxious to the point other passengers around them moved to other empty seats before take off and they were served alcohol on board they got worse and worse and police were called when we landed

2 and a half hours without alcohol will sober most people up to a point of self awareness but they fed the problem with over priced alcohol sold to a bunch of people obviously drunk guys

So in short sort your own problems out before looking at taking money out of any business paying a premium to operate in airports

redcup342

Beefy78 wrote: »

I love an airport pint so I hope they don't stop serving until 10am. That said I noticed T2 at Dublin is now selling two pint steins of beer. That doesn't seem like a great idea.

I'm just wondering where they managed to buy 1136 ml Glasses.

Or did an Irish Pint change to 500 ml with the UK still having 568 ml ?



On the continent many Irish bars sell 400 ml 'pints'

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE

uck51js9zml2yt

If I had a choice is ban alcohol on all flights as well as limiting it at the airport.
How does someone whose drunk handle themselves in the event of an inflight emergency or evacuation?

suicide_circus

Nothing worse on a flight than a group of pissheads engaging in "banter".

Subcomandante Marcos

seamus wrote: »

Before you do anything, you should assert whether this is an actual problem.

....

People getting gee-eyed pre flight is not something I've seen much, if any, of. Most people turn up 30-60 minutes before a flight, which doesn't leave a lot of time for getting hammered.

Taking a lot of RyanAir flights from Prestwick to Alicante or Manchester to Ibiza?

HeidiHeidi

suicide_circus wrote: »

Nothing worse on a flight than a group of pissheads engaging in "banter".

If they'd stick to bantering among themselves it wouldn't be too bad.

It's the trying to jolly the whole bloody plane along with them (when some of them are just trying to catch up on missed sleep), thinking they're the wittiest thing since.... well I dunno really.... digging their poor neighbours in the ribs cos they won't join in the bantz, roaring and shouting and trying to start a stupid sing-song for the whole flight..... :mad:

It's the poor flight staff I feel REALLY sorry for, having to actually engage with them

(Can you tell I didn't really enjoy my last flight to Ibiza?)

Subcomandante Marcos

suicide_circus wrote: »

Nothing worse on a flight than a group of pissheads engaging in "banter".

Getting a train out of Dublin of a Friday afternoon and it being full of lads heading somewhere for a stag, slabs of cans on the tables, roaring at each other, reeking of cigarettes Everytime the train stops and they run outside... And not even the gentle rumble of a jet engine to drown them out...

recyclops

i was on a long haul back in the day from dublin to new york (the one that used to stop in shannon) a person was ejected on the pilots request as a number of customrs had complained in the 30 mins it took to get to shannon.

was seated 4 rows behind and the stench of stale booze of him was horrific. The real issue here is what will the people post on their obligatory airport check in now they cannot take a picture of a pint

gizmo81

In the news again:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/this-is-why-we-are-calling-for-twodrink-limit-at-airports-ryanair-responds-as-video-shows-passengers-brawling-on-flight-36097669.html

I'd say they'd fight with their own shadow even after one drink. You cannot ban idiots.

ohnonotgmail

gizmo81 wrote: »

In the news again:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/this-is-why-we-are-calling-for-twodrink-limit-at-airports-ryanair-responds-as-video-shows-passengers-brawling-on-flight-36097669.html

I'd say they'd fight with their own shadow even after one drink. You cannot ban idiots.

It was a flight from newcastle to alicante, what do you expect?

branie2

sounds like a good idea

xzanti

TheDoc wrote: »

If I'm honest I've never fully understood that sort of behaviour, getting pissed before a flight. I've been on stags, weekends away, trips with lads for a week, loads of differing types of scenarios that involved a plane. And I've just never subscribed to "party starts before the flight".

Like there is just an issue there if you can't wait until after your flight to get the drinks in. Have I had a drink before a flight? Sure I have, loads of times. but I've never felt the need or seen the point of getting pissed before my flight.

It's ridiculous carry on to be fair and considering the increased security and just generally tension that goes on in airports know, I think you're just being a twat if your getting sauced before a flight.

Not to mention the wait to use the Jacks once on board.

Cienciano

seamus wrote: »

Before you do anything, you should assert whether this is an actual problem.

Ryanair love being in the news.

What percentage of Ryanair flights have had security incidents on them due to passengers being intoxicated before take off?

Identify whether a problem exists before we start proposing solutions to it.

People getting gee-eyed pre flight is not something I've seen much, if any, of. Most people turn up 30-60 minutes before a flight, which doesn't leave a lot of time for getting hammered.

Working class heroes wrote: »

Jaysus lads, it's a publicity stunt.

Anyone remember "pay to piss".........

I'm surprised only 2 people in the thread have copped on that it's a publicity stunt. Paying to use the toilet and standing areas on planes were other things people got their knickers in a twist over.

Here's a quote from Michael O'Leary which pretty much means you can close the thread

Do you think the Ryanair brand can survive on publicity stunts and press coverage alone?

O'Leary: Well I have 29 years of evidence suggesting that it can. [Richard] Branson has been doing it for years.
As long you run around generating noise, which is now easier because you’ve got all these halfwits on social media ranting and raving, inventing stories, it drives people on to our website. And we don’t spend €50m or €100m on marketing companies to do it.

Read more at http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/ryanairs-michael-oleary-short-committing-murder-bad-publicity-sells-seats/1193681#7lTZF3pzrLhf68dl.99

There you go, we're all halfwits.