Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Qrt

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

MJohnston

Qrt wrote: »

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

Didn't someone say they have to publish the timetables 2 weeks in advance of any change though? Presumably it will be on the Journey Planner too

Qrt

MJohnston wrote: »

Didn't someone say they have to publish the timetables 2 weeks in advance of any change though? Presumably it will be on the Journey Planner too

Yeah but the whole plan of the public not noticing the new operator is kinda falling apart at very seam.

Stephen15

Qrt wrote: »

Yeah but the whole plan of the public not noticing the new operator is kinda falling apart at very seam.

It's a bit riddiculous the NTA had 4 years to plan since when they first announced that certain routes would be tendered. Hopefully this will be a temporary issue.

Stephen Gawking

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

L1011

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

Probably the nonsense / wishful thinking posted by an idiot on here, repeatedly

Stephen Gawking

I don't think it was on here to be honest but thanks. Time to search Twitter me thinks.

L1011

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

I don't think it was on here to be honest but thanks. Time to search Twitter me thinks.

Same idiot posting there then probably

AlekSmart

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

Nope,but a small reshuffle,at the request of the NTA. :eek:

Phase 1– 45A, 75 (75A), 63 (63A) & 59

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 7th October 2018. Go-Ahead Ireland, in conjunction with the NTA, is aiming to have all timetables on their joint digital platforms (websites, twitter etc.) well in advance of implemention .

However, the following is a route by route guide to any changes made to the above routes.

45A /45B

Daytime frequency enhanced to every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes.

Existing journeys diverting via Shanganagh Cliffs Estate are numbered 45B to distinguish them from the standard route, but apart from this the route is the same as the 45A.

59

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 111 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

63 (63A)

Weekday daytime frequency remains every 30 minutes with first and last bus times broadly similar but enhanced to every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes. Please note, the start and end point on all routes – including 63 & 63A – are the same. The A route journeys via Foxrock as outlined on the timetable.

75 (75A)

Existing journeys via Sandyford Business Park will remain and be augmented at peak periods. These enhance the number of peak journeys between Dundrum and Tallaght.

The route is changed in Dundrum to now serve Main Street, Taney Road and Sydenham Road to allow for better travel opportunities with connections on to the Luas green line.

The timetable has been coordinated with the route 175 between Dundrum and Tallaght to offer more evenly spread departures throughout the day.

First and last journey times are similar and additional Sunday morning and evening journeys will be introduced.

Please note, journeys via Sandyford Business Park are numbered 75A as outlined on the timetable.

Phase 2 – 111, 184 & 185

These services launch on Sunday, 21st October 2018.

111

On Mondays to Saturdays there are earlier trips from Dun Laoghaire towards Brides Glen to allow for better connections to the Luas green line.

A brand new Sunday service is being introduced to offer an hourly frequency, with the first journey from Brides Glen leaving at 09:33 and the final journey leaving at 23:33.

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 59 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

184

The timetable has been designed to connect with revised DART services at Greystones to and from Newtownmountkennedy.

The first and last journeys are broadly similar but the Mondays to Fridays evening frequency increases to every 30 minutes. On Saturdays and Sundays, there will be many extra journeys operating every 30 minutes, compared to current service provision of every hour on Saturdays and 2 hours on Sundays.

185

Significant improvements have been made to make the timetable easier to understand.

Each day, there will be departures every 30 minutes from Bray DART station to Palermo Estate, with one of these continuing every hour to Powerscourt via Enniskerry.

First and last journey times are similar to the current service except there earlier journeys on Sunday mornings.

Phase 3 – 17A, 102, 33A, 220, 33B & 104

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 2nd November 2018.

All information in relation to timetables – and any alterations to routes – will be communicated in due course.

Phase 4 – 18, 76, 239, 270, 238, 76A,236, 17, 114 & 161

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 20th January 2019.

All information in relation to timetables – and any alterations to routes – will be communicated in due course.

All media queries and requests for statements/interviews to Nikki Gordon on Nicola.Gordon@goaheadireland.ie & 086 7757502/087 7985759

punisher5112

On their Twitter they mention route 45 no a or b after it

RebelButtMunch

punisher5112 wrote: »

On their Twitter they mention route 45 no a or b after it

They fixed that

Stephen15

Qrt wrote: »

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

Didn't realise it but Go-Ahead London's website also lists their routes and timetables so it's not exclusive to Dublin.

https://www.goaheadlondon.com/routes

devnull

Qrt wrote: »

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

For there to be a central site it needs all operators to agree to it and play ball.

GoAhead will not be making their own app and will be using the transport for Ireland journey planner.

Lord Glentoran

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I see they still have that mad ‘Parliamentary’ style one bus a day connection to Foxrock Village.

The campaign to reroute the Luas starts here!

stop

Still describing the 185 as to Powerscourt, thought this would be the time to fix this.

Stephen15

Go Ahead FB page says that the rebranded stop poles are temporary and will be replaced by the new design which can be seen in places along the 175 bus route.

jahalpin

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

end of the road

that go ahead have a union as will any company who would win any further routes if tendered outs?

jahalpin wrote: »

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

so, the NBRU are the cause of all the delays and cancellations. not high levels of traffic, not less bus priority measures then actually needed, boarding dwell times, etc which cause delays. not busses having issues or being delaid sufficiently by traffic that they have to run short to get back on schedule so to not delay further. privatization/tendering will of course solve all of these problems?

StreetLight

jahalpin wrote: »

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

What current round of privatisation would that be?

Private buses are so great that they can just plough through crowds on the road and anything else that stands in their way?

Qrt

StreetLight wrote: »

What current round of privatisation would that be?

Private buses are so great that they can just plough through crowds on the road and anything else that stands in their way?

Private companies and their buses aren't subjected to the limits of physics that Marxist unions force upon the market.

AlekSmart

Qrt wrote: »

Private companies and their buses aren't subjected to the limits of physics that Marxist unions force upon the market.

It appears that poster has come late to the party ?

The issue of Privatization was one of the first dealt with quite comprehensively by the Government and the NTA at the outset of the Bus Market Opening process.

To post as the OP has,indicates either they are unaware of Government/NTA policy or perhaps wish to expand the thread ?

StreetLight

Qrt wrote: »

Private companies and their buses aren't subjected to the limits of physics that Marxist unions force upon the market.

Even Marxists have the well-being of a society at heart.

end of the road

Qrt wrote: »

Private companies and their buses aren't subjected to the limits of physics that Marxist unions force upon the market.

there are no marxist unions. sometimes depending on the market, limits of physics have to be forced upon the particular market to insure it works correctly and fairly for everybody. private companies and their busses, like state companies and their busses, only have limits forced upon them that prevent a negative work environment, and private companies, the big ones that would likely tender for dublin bus routes at least, have unions.

dublinman1990

If GAI say that the bus stop heads on top of DB poles are temporary. I would suggest that they wouldn't bother updating the remainder of them with the blue heads placed on the top. I know that doing it this way could been cheaper for now but I would expect that the newer official NTA stops will become more of the norm when GAI take the remainder of the DB routes. As we go on through the week until some of the routes in Dun Laoghaire switchover next Sunday. There is going to be a lot of work undertaken to update the bus stops when it begins from tomorrow I presume? Do we know how many bus stops are going to be updated for GAI's Dun Laoghaire routes from next week & on the 21st of October?

There is something that I thought of while thinking about the stretch of the 46E route going from Blackrock DART Station to Marian Park. The 114 used to go up & down that stretch of the route through their old timetables. Nowadays that route with DB only travels down that particular stretch of the 46E when Carysfort Avenue has road closures sometimes due to roadworks. I know the road closures in Carysfort Avenue are a very rare occurrence. But is there any incentive to upgrade the bus stops along that part of the 46E route when the 114 switches to GAI in January? If GAI & the NTA agree with doing that; would there be any useful incentive to rename that old part of the 114 route through Newtownpark Avenue & Temple Hill to the 115 & have it numbered as 114/115 on their new timetables in the new year?

I'm asking you this because I want to know if the moves to include the 45B, 63A & 75A count as part of GAI's 30% planned expansion in route mileage. Thanks.

Stephen15

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bus-drivers-to-get-1-4m-over-privatisation-of-routes-1.3646823

punisher5112

pinkie10 wrote: »

Trouble brewing between GA and IE.
Who owns the roads out side train stations?
Who wants money to allow GA to park buses outside train stations?

Is this behind dun Laoghaire??

I believe it's the harbour but now council as harbour is being wound down.

Db had to pay for these bays I believe.

Ga do park in them as it is blocking space for db buses.

Stephen15

What I don't get about the article implies there are drivers based in DL however there is no depot in DL it's not like Bray where there are some buses stabled. So these drivers start and finish their duties in DL and don't have to go to Donnybrook to start their duties. So bringing these buses from Donnybrook to DL is done by other drivers.

Annasopra

devnull wrote: »

For there to be a central site it needs all operators to agree to it and play ball.

GoAhead will not be making their own app and will be using the transport for Ireland journey planner.

The transport for Ireland app is ****. It doesnt allow you to put in a busstop number like the Dublin Bus one does

Stevek101

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The transport for Ireland app is ****. It doesnt allow you to put in a busstop number like the Dublin Bus one does

Just type the stop number in the search box... :pac:

devnull

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The transport for Ireland app is ****. It doesnt allow you to put in a busstop number like the Dublin Bus one does

You're average person doesn't want to know how to go from one bus stop to another bus stop, they want to go from one place to another, any system that relies on you knowing a bus stop number is a really awful system.

Dravokivich

devnull wrote: »

You're average person doesn't want to know how to go from one bus stop to another bus stop, they want to go from one place to another, any system that relies on you knowing a bus stop number is a really awful system.

It can be difficult to select a stop on a map. So searching by stop number, which is on almost every stop would be the easiest. I spent a minute trying to select dun loaghaire train station over the weekend.

Westmoreland street can be difficult to select the correct bus stop too.

LuckyLloyd

The Dublin Bus app is far superior to the TFI one.

WomanSkirtFan8

Deffinately. Much easier to use too

bk

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The Dublin Bus app is far superior to the TFI one.

Only when it works! There was a period of about two years when the GPS positioning stopped working completely and it wasn't updated for two years, making it pretty useless.

Google Maps is far better and Moovit is hands down the best app.

devnull

Dravokivich wrote: »

devnull wrote: »

You're average person doesn't want to know how to go from one bus stop to another bus stop, they want to go from one place to another, any system that relies on you knowing a bus stop number is a really awful system.

It can be difficult to select a stop on a map. So searching by stop number, which is on almost every stop would be the easiest. I spent a minute trying to select dun loaghaire train station over the weekend.

Westmoreland street can be difficult to select the correct bus stop too.

People don't want to go to bus stops they
Want to type the place name in and find out how to get there

devnull

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The Dublin Bus app is far superior to the TFI one.

The transport for Ireland app is a public transport journey planner that includes all public transport in the state and simply allows people to plan a journey from one location to another.

The Dublin bus one omits a large number of public transport services and really requires knowledge of bus stop numbers. If I want to go somewhere new I won't know the bus stop number but I will know the place name or road.

Dravokivich

devnull wrote: »

People don't want to go to bus stops they
Want to type the place name in and find out how to get there

I thought we were talking about looking at rtpi information now as opposed to linking the timelines on connections?

I've never used it as a journey planner.

AlmightyCushion

devnull wrote: »

The transport for Ireland app is a public transport journey planner that includes all public transport in the state and simply allows people to plan a journey from one location to another.

The Dublin bus one omits a large number of public transport services and really requires knowledge of bus stop numbers. If I want to go somewhere new I won't know the bus stop number but I will know the place name or road.

I think he means put in a bus stop number and see what buses are going from there not to there. Which is useful for places you travel from frequently (home, work, friends house, town, etc.). Regardless the TFI app allows you to do that any way.

devnull

Dravokivich wrote: »

I thought we were talking about looking at rtpi information now as opposed to linking the timelines on connections?

I've never used it as a journey planner.

Sorry - thought we were talking about the Journey Planning app - trying to reply too quick!

jahalpin

end of the road wrote: »

that go ahead have a union as will any company who would win any further routes if tendered outs?




so, the NBRU are the cause of all the delays and cancellations. not high levels of traffic, not less bus priority measures then actually needed, boarding dwell times, etc which cause delays. not busses having issues or being delaid sufficiently by traffic that they have to run short to get back on schedule so to not delay further. privatization/tendering will of course solve all of these problems?

Privatization should sort a lot of the current issues with buses being “regulated” even on Sunday mornings which means a 2 hour gap between buses rather than sending the bus straight back out when it arrives at the outer terminus .

Also the number of buses running out of service from outer terminals to garages in the centre of Dublin rather than actually running in service so that paying customers can actually have a decent service.

StreetLight

jahalpin wrote: »

Privatization should sort a lot of the current issues with buses being “regulated” even on Sunday mornings which means a 2 hour gap between buses rather than sending the bus straight back out when it arrives at the outer terminus .

Also the number of buses running out of service from outer terminals to garages in the centre of Dublin rather than actually running in service so that paying customers can actually have a decent service.

I don't see what privatisation has to do with regulating a bus.

Also, how would you get a 175 finishing at Citywest to continue in service back to its base at Ballymount?

punisher5112

jahalpin wrote: »

Privatization should sort a lot of the current issues with buses being “regulated” even on Sunday mornings which means a 2 hour gap between buses rather than sending the bus straight back out when it arrives at the outer terminus .

Also the number of buses running out of service from outer terminals to garages in the centre of Dublin rather than actually running in service so that paying customers can actually have a decent service.

You obviously have no idea how a bus company is run.

There are many reasons a bus runs out of service, from driving hours, to maintenance schedules on that duty where each day that bus used is in for maintenance as it would be a different bus each day, bus is parked up for another driver or changes route, driver breaking, driver finished their duty etc etc.

Annasopra

devnull wrote: »

You're average person doesn't want to know how to go from one bus stop to another bus stop, they want to go from one place to another, any system that relies on you knowing a bus stop number is a really awful system.

Ye wha?

If I arrive at bus stop 4000 and I want to find out the next bus at Bus stop 4000 the Dublin Bus has a user friendly app to tell me.

The TFI app isnt user friendly

If I regularly use bus stop 4000 I should be able to check what buses are coming at busstops 4000.

Annasopra

devnull wrote: »

People don't want to go to bus stops they
Want to type the place name in and find out how to get there

Who are these "people"?

And whats the point of busstop numbers if TFI doesnt use them properly? What was the point of investing in all those new blue signs.

normanoffside

devnull wrote: »

You're average person doesn't want to know how to go from one bus stop to another bus stop, they want to go from one place to another, any system that relies on you knowing a bus stop number is a really awful system.

Rubbish. Most people have bus stops they use every day and they just save them as favourites.
Other times you arrive at a stop and want to know when the next bus is so you type in the stop number.

Annasopra

normanoffside wrote: »

Rubbish. Most people have bus stops they use every day and they just save them as favourites.
Other times you arrive at a stop and want to know when the next bus is so you type in the stop number.

Exactly. No idea where dev null was coming from on that

RobbingBandit

One of the routes Dublin Bus are no longer running soon the 17a is on a crazy schedule lately can be none of them for ages then 3 in quick succession I hope these guys do a revamp and run a tighter ship, the service goes to Beaumont hospital gods help you if you have an afternoon appointment and rely on Dublin Bus.

ED E

Sorry for being lazy but 150 pages is significant - is GoAheads data RTI or RTPI?

Dravokivich

ED E wrote: »

Sorry for being lazy but 150 pages is significant - is GoAheads data RTI or RTPI?

57 pages no?

bk

normanoffside wrote: »

Rubbish. Most people have bus stops they use every day and they just save them as favourites.
Other times you arrive at a stop and want to know when the next bus is so you type in the stop number.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. No idea where dev null was coming from on that

Seriously, the TFI app, DB app, Google Maps and Moovit app will all show you the bus stop you are currently standing at, based on the GPS location. No need for actually entering the bus stop number, which takes longer.

Also most of the above allow you to favourite your frequently used stops.

Also the TFI app takes and finds based on the bus stop number just fine.

The TFI Real Time app actually has an option that you can check that allows it to open to your favourites by default when you open the app. If not selected it opens to the Search/Nearby stops page showing nearby stops based on your GPS. In both cases the above is significantly faster and less button clicks then the DB app, which takes a few clicks to get to the same page.

The TFI app is certainly not perfect, but it is quiet a bit more modern designed then the DB app, which looks very old fashioned.

Having said all that, Moovit is vastly superior to all.