Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Yer Da sells Avon

sharper wrote: »

They have the actual numbers from leap and the ticket machines so they have an excellent idea how many use each route.

Go-Ahead have a few Ford Focuses and a C-Max. If they went strictly by numbers and nothing else, they could nearly get away with using them on the 59.

sharper

end of the road wrote: »

he's not referring to usage but operation. 1 class of bus has an issue with turning in that area because of it's length.

Sorry I thought it was about the capacity issues that forced them to switch back to double deckers elsewhere.

Someone at the NTA really likes the single deckers for some reason. Since they recently figured out how to use twitter to go on the defensive with busconnects it would be nice to see them explain what they're thinking.

Yer Da sells Avon

sharper wrote: »

Someone at the NTA really likes the single deckers for some reason.

They've never driven one.

Qrt

sharper wrote: »

Sorry I thought it was about the capacity issues that forced them to switch back to double deckers elsewhere.

Someone at the NTA really likes the single deckers for some reason. Since they recently figured out how to use twitter to go on the defensive with busconnects it would be nice to see them explain what they're thinking.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're gearing up for the O route tbh. That will be a hefty bus route considering its length and completely circular nature.

Stephen15

Qrt wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if they're gearing up for the O route tbh. That will be a hefty bus route considering its length and completely circular nature.

One of the consultants seems to think that it should be operated by bendybuses rather than conventional single deckers. Considering that it will probably be a heavily used service and also it will likely be used mainly for short trips it would probably if the infrastructure was put in place to allow for bendybuses perhaps with BRT style stops etc. it could work.

Conventional single deckers wouldn't be great especially the Streetlites as they only only have one door don't understand why they weren't ordered in dual door spec.

thomasj

According to the go-ahead PR regarding this weekends changes, the 33A, 33B and 102 will switch to single deck operation .

bk

sharper wrote: »

Sorry I thought it was about the capacity issues that forced them to switch back to double deckers elsewhere.

Someone at the NTA really likes the single deckers for some reason. Since they recently figured out how to use twitter to go on the defensive with busconnects it would be nice to see them explain what they're thinking.

Well do remember DB use to use single deckers extensively too before the recession.

When the recession hit and passenger numbers dropped and DB needed to cut back on the number of buses in the fleet, they wisely decided to cut the single deckers as the double deckers would offer more flexibility for a now smaller fleet.

Now that the number of buses in the fleet is being expanded again to pre-recession and beyond numbers, it makes sense to bring back single deckers as not all routes need the capacity of double deckers and single deckers are cheaper to buy and cheaper to fuel.

As an aside, I'd definitely agree that the O route will need a completely different type of single decker. 2 or 3 doors like you see in mainland Europe and perhaps even bendy buses if they can fit them. Perhaps more standing space and less sitting space. The single door buses certainly wouldn't be suitable for this route.

Stephen15

bk wrote: »

Well do remember DB use to use single deckers extensively too before the recession.

When the recession hit and passenger numbers dropped and DB needed to cut back on the number of buses in the fleet, they wisely decided to cut the single deckers as the double deckers would offer more flexibility for a now smaller fleet.

Now that the number of buses in the fleet is being expanded again to pre-recession and beyond numbers, it makes sense to bring back single deckers as not all routes need the capacity of double deckers and single deckers are cheaper to buy and cheaper to fuel.

As an aside, I'd definitely agree that the O route will need a completely different type of single decker. 2 or 3 doors like you see in mainland Europe and perhaps even bendy buses if they can fit them. Perhaps more standing space and less sitting space. The single door buses certainly wouldn't be suitable for this route.

I agree with most of what you're. Single deckers are for certain routes more suitable than double decker buses however the main problem here has been the routes which the NTA have assigned them to some have been unsuitable. For example 184 is not suitable in my opinion for single decker buses as it is quite a busy route at certain times of the day. I don't ever remember this route ever being operated by single deckers in the past either.

I also think it was a bad not buying a number of single deckers which were shorter in length as the 59 has always been historically a single decker bus but as you maybe aware the buses bought were too long. Also there is talk of the 102 being operated by single deckers which I don't think is a suitable route for single unless the frequency was improved which is not being at least not at peak times.

I am of the belief that it shouldn't matter if a route is operated by double or single deckers as long as capacity on the route is adequately fulfilled. I think on certain routes they could increase frequency and start running single deckers instead of double deckers.

devnull

The vehicle allocation is being based on passenger numbers, counted on ticket machine data from when the routes were operated by DB, from what I have heard in the past.

If that is a case it should be quite hard to get it wrong, unless for some reason, there is a discrepancy between the ticket machine data and the number of passengers who are actually travelling,

bk

Stephen15 wrote: »

I agree with most of what you're. Single deckers are for certain routes more suitable than double decker buses however the main problem here has been the routes which the NTA have assigned them to some have been unsuitable. For example 184 is not suitable in my opinion for single decker buses as it is quite a busy route at certain times of the day. I don't ever remember this route ever being operated by single deckers in the past either.

Yes, there could certainly be mistakes on which routes they are allocated too. I certainly wouldn't speak for any particular route as I don't know them all, but rather just a general comment that single deckers aren't necessarily a bad thing as long as they are allocated to the correct route.

Though NTA wouldn't be the first to put single deckers on the wrong routes either. After all it was Dublin Bus management who decided to put single deckers and even blooming imps on the 123 !!! :rolleyes:

Stephen15 wrote: »

I also think it was a bad not buying a number of single deckers which were shorter in length as the 59 has always been historically a single decker bus but as you maybe aware the buses bought were too long.

Yes I was thinking exactly the same when I read the comments about the 59 above. Shorter streetlites or similar should certainly be used on routes like that.

devnull wrote: »

The vehicle allocation is being based on passenger numbers, counted on ticket machine data from when the routes were operated by DB, from what I have heard in the past.

If that is a case it should be quite hard to get it wrong, unless for some reason, there is a discrepancy between the ticket machine data and the number of passengers who are actually travelling,

Yes, I was thinking that, there really shouldn't be any surprises. They should have detailed data from the ticket machines.

loyatemu

bk wrote: »

As an aside, I'd definitely agree that the O route will need a completely different type of single decker. 2 or 3 doors like you see in mainland Europe and perhaps even bendy buses if they can fit them. Perhaps more standing space and less sitting space. The single door buses certainly wouldn't be suitable for this route.

any reason they couldn't start the O route early next year? It doesn't involve changing any existing routes, if its a good idea in 2 years time, it's a good idea now.

Stephen15

loyatemu wrote: »

any reason they couldn't start the O route early next year? It doesn't involve changing any existing routes, if its a good idea in 2 years time, it's a good idea now.

Would the needed infrastructure be in place for it though.

Yer Da sells Avon

Stephen15 wrote: »

For example 184 is not suitable in my opinion for single decker buses as it is quite a busy route at certain times of the day. I don't ever remember this route ever being operated by single deckers in the past either.

The 184 was operated by the horrible little 'imp' minibuses until some time in the late '90s or early 2000s. Then they had single-deckers on it for a few years. Aside from the morning and evening rush during the school term, the Streetlites are more than adequate.

punisher5112

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The 184 was operated by the horrible little 'imp' minibuses until some time in the late '90s or early 2000s. Then they had single-deckers on it for a few years. Aside from the morning and evening rush during the school term, the Streetlites are more than adequate.

So was the 145.

On the ticket machine data it could well be that drivers weren't hitting welfare pass button, kids getting on with bus eireann travel cards and believe me when I say many are traveling with these and haven't paid for the db or GA travel option.
Other issues are welfare pass holders not scanning their cards, some deliberately breaking them so they don't read, leap card users not paying but pretend to scan and the many school kids that do this also and just pile on.

There is so many things that can throw the data off somewhat.

Stephen15

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The 184 was operated by the horrible little 'imp' minibuses until some time in the late '90s or early 2000s. Then they had single-deckers on it for a few years. Aside from the morning and evening rush during the school term, the Streetlites are more than adequate.

Were they I knew they operated in Bray but didn't know they were on the 184 thought the old 145 and the old 146 used them. To be fair it could be said about a lot of Go-Ahead that most could be operated by single deckers outside peak hours.

I am surprised none have been allocated to the 63 as of yet as that was a route DB used to allocate single deckers too. Although some it's peak time departures are busy enough so it may justify double deckers at peak times.

punisher5112

Stephen15 wrote: »

Were they I knew they operated in Bray but didn't know they were on the 184 thought the old 145 and the old 146 used them. To be fair it could be said about a lot of Go-Ahead that most could be operated by single deckers outside peak hours.

I am surprised none have been allocated to the 63 as of yet as that was a route DB used to allocate single deckers too. Although some it's peak time departures are busy enough so it may justify double deckers at peak times.

Thing is if the luas goes down then single Decker's are as much use as a chocolate engine....

When they had the single Decker's on for some duties it couldn't carry at all as it use to go to the city.
The reason for this was they actually had no other bus to allocate so they just left the wv on it.

The 123 had a frequent very fast service hence why they had the wv type on them and a huge number at that.... Well before they retired these they were beyond capacity and it was a big success as it has doubles now and still very frequently.

Stephen15

punisher5112 wrote: »

Thing is if the luas goes down then single Decker's are as much use as a chocolate engine....

When they had the single Decker's on for some duties it couldn't carry at all as it use to go to the city.
The reason for this was they actually had no other bus to allocate so they just left the wv on it.

The 123 had a frequent very fast service hence why they had the wv type on them and a huge number at that.... Well before they retired these they were beyond capacity and it was a big success as it has doubles now and still very frequently.

Good point it is good as a Luas feeder bus. I remember there was a period around 2011 when most of the buses on it during the week were singles. The single deckers even at peak times that I was on still a managed to take all the passengers don't remember there being any particular capacity problems at least at the times I used it.

They managed to carry all passengers seated and maybe one or two had to stand from time to time. It was a different story when the bus went all the way into the CC as it used to add extra capacity on to the N11 QBC along with the 46a, 145 and the 84.

bk

punisher5112 wrote: »

The 123 had a frequent very fast service hence why they had the wv type on them and a huge number at that.... Well before they retired these they were beyond capacity and it was a big success as it has doubles now and still very frequently.

The 123 was a disaster as a single decker, multiple buses use to pass absolutely full, no hope of getting on. It was what buses down in Cork city use to be like, useless.

The fact that the route now has double deckers at 10 minute frequencies and are still full at peak times, shows how stupid it was to put single deckers on that route.

punisher5112

bk wrote: »

The 123 was a disaster as a single decker, multiple buses use to pass absolutely full, no hope of getting on. It was what buses down in Cork city use to be like, useless.

The fact that the route now has double deckers at 10 minute frequencies and are still full at peak times, shows how stupid it was to put single deckers on that route.

When they were on 1st it wasn't as bad it was the same with the imp mercs that were much smaller.

They ended up becoming so used it ended up killing off these types of buses as the routes became such a success.

john boye

bk wrote: »

The 123 was a disaster as a single decker, multiple buses use to pass absolutely full, no hope of getting on. It was what buses down in Cork city use to be like, useless.

The fact that the route now has double deckers at 10 minute frequencies and are still full at peak times, shows how stupid it was to put single deckers on that route.

It was far from a disaster, the imps helped revitalise the route and turned it into a massive success. The old 23/24 routes were dying on their arse before the imps came along.

Annasopra

soundman45 wrote: »

Yeah i get all that. I know a fully loaded bus will do that but yhe previous poster said "his friend said" it scraped off the side of a building. Given that buildings are usually tall and double deck buses are usually tall☺ should this not have resulted in alot of damage.

It was a single decker!

Annasopra

devnull wrote: »

The vehicle allocation is being based on passenger numbers, counted on ticket machine data from when the routes were operated by DB, from what I have heard in the past.

If that is a case it should be quite hard to get it wrong, unless for some reason, there is a discrepancy between the ticket machine data and the number of passengers who are actually travelling,

The free travel passes are a discrepancy. Old people, people with disabilities and companions of people with disabilities frequently wave their pass at the driver and he or she effectively doesnt register them. The drivers often wave them on. The Go Ahead drivers mostly dont know how to register companion passes.

goingnowhere

Drivers have a button on the machine to log DSP passes

punisher5112

goingnowhere wrote: »

Drivers have a button on the machine to log DSP passes

That they do but many don't bother, same as they don't get them to scan their cards and also when they bring the wife/husband etc they just scan at the door so it doesn't register 2 travelling it will just show 1.


Many many factors and then people who have not topped up or run on etc.

This happens a lot.

Here we go

Just on the 184 and 59,the 184 does run a double on peak times. And yes 59 would be better as an imp for the last round about alone lol but the single is to long so they only have the double which just about gets around

punisher5112

Here we go wrote: »

Just on the 184 and 59,the 184 does run a double on peak times. And yes 59 would be better as an imp for the last round about alone lol but the single is to long so they only have the double which just about gets around

Double decker fits around no issue once driven correctly.

The previous single decks fitted no issue and of course the 2 singles db have now fit not a bother.

Db use to have 2 or 3 av type that the steering angle was brutal and they wouldn't go around in one turn.

Only issue up there can be parking and when they put in the big belly rubbish bin which they eventually moved.

Here we go

punisher5112 wrote: »

Double decker fits around no issue once driven correctly.

The previous single decks fitted no issue and of course the 2 singles db have now fit not a bother.

Db use to have 2 or 3 av type that the steering angle was brutal and they wouldn't go around in one turn.

Only issue up there can be parking and when they put in the big belly rubbish bin which they eventually moved.

Yes the doubles do get around but as far as I know go ahead only have the 11.5 meter singles and thats why they use the double up there

sharper

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The free travel passes are a discrepancy. Old people, people with disabilities and companions of people with disabilities frequently wave their pass at the driver and he or she effectively doesnt register them. The drivers often wave them on. The Go Ahead drivers mostly dont know how to register companion passes.

I don't know if it's something they do on every route but about once a year at peak times I've seen people in DB gear with clipboards getting on the bus and writing down the number of passengers.

There's also people that tweet @dublinbusnews when they can't get on a free bus who are then directed to fill out a webform.

If they were willing to talk to google there's probably a whole host of data there about which which routes people are using and what stops they got on and get off at. My android phone "knows" what bus I take and automatically pops up the timetable at the time I usually take it (along with alternatives) despite having never told it any of that.

We might be short on the actual numbers of busses needed to meet capacity but they should never be more than slightly wrong in their estimation of how much they need.

soundman45

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The free travel passes are a discrepancy. Old people, people with disabilities and companions of people with disabilities frequently wave their pass at the driver and he or she effectively doesnt register them. The drivers often wave them on. The Go Ahead drivers mostly dont know how to register companion passes.

Yes indeed pressing 2 buttons to register a companion with the pass holder would be beyond go ahead drivers. Surely cie employees could only manage that huge task.

Stephen15

I still see some OAPs getting with the old paper passes they should be done away with look very easy to forge. Also why do some OAPs still show their PSC pass to the driver when they board and then scan it, I don't show my Leap card to driver every time I use the right hand validator.

punisher5112

Stephen15 wrote: »

I still see some OAPs getting with the old paper passes they should be done away with look very easy to forge. Also why do some OAPs still show their PSC pass to the driver when they board and then scan it, I don't show my Leap card to driver every time I use the right hand validator.

They don't understand how to use them usually.

Habit from years and years of showing it can be hard to get away from the same thing each time.

Many cards are blocked and many break them pH and then there are many elderly that just put the head down and walk right on never acknowledge the driver and many slip on as it's busy.

Stephen15

punisher5112 wrote: »

They don't understand how to use them usually.

Habit from years and years of showing it can be hard to get away from the same thing each time.

Many cards are blocked and many break them pH and then there are many elderly that just put the head down and walk right on never acknowledge the driver and many slip on as it's busy.

Why are they breaking them purposely are they tin foil wearers who are afraid the gubernment may have data on them?

punisher5112

Stephen15 wrote: »

Why are they breaking them purposely are they tin foil wearers who are afraid the gubernment may have data on them?

Some break them on purpose as they have been blocked.

Some break in pockets and the chip does pop out at the rear from just abuse.

They are a very poor standard of card and the actual LEAP card is much more robust.

What some do is break one and give it to their mate or other family member the one that works and then just say they scanned their leap card if checked.

Loads are now using child leap cards also.

The whole thing of over 1k buses and a team of 4 to check where they travel by car and only 3 actually check tickets, passes etc.

What an absolute joke

ax586

soundman45 wrote: »

Yes indeed pressing 2 buttons to register a companion with the pass holder would be beyond go ahead drivers. Surely cie employees could only manage that huge task.

It’s easy all you do is press f8 and the ticket prints out simples

dashcamdanny

punisher5112 wrote: »

Some break them on purpose as they have been blocked.

Some break in pockets and the chip does pop out at the rear from just abuse.

They are a very poor standard of card and the actual LEAP card is much more robust.

What some do is break one and give it to their mate or other family member the one that works and then just say they scanned their leap card if checked.

Loads are now using child leap cards also.

The whole thing of over 1k buses and a team of 4 to check where they travel by car and only 3 actually check tickets, passes etc.

What an absolute joke

It should show up on our wayfarer machines if the pass is connected to a pensioner. And male or female. (Or what ever you young folk call it now.). That way we can throw young people off and confiscate the card when their granny or mammy send them into town or work with a card that is not theirs.

One thing I do hate is benefit fraud.

Annasopra

goingnowhere wrote: »

Drivers have a button on the machine to log DSP passes

Yes.

They obviously havent been trained in how to use the machines properly

Yer Da sells Avon

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes.

They obviously havent been trained in how to use the machines properly

They have been; it just takes time to learn to use them properly when in service, dealing with road conditions, traffic, passengers, etc. Dublin Bus drivers will have experienced the same difficulties when they started. The difference is that Go-Ahead have lots of drivers starting out at the same time, so mistakes are inevitably more noticeable.

dashcamdanny wrote:

That way we can throw young people off and confiscate the card when their granny or mammy send them into town or work with a card that is not theirs.

Revenue protection is not the driver's job.

dashcamdanny

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

They have been; it just takes time to learn to use them properly when in service, dealing with road conditions, traffic, passengers, etc. Dublin Bus drivers will have experienced the same difficulties when they started. The difference is that Go-Ahead have lots of drivers starting out at the same time, so mistakes are inevitably more noticeable.



Revenue protection is not the driver's job.

It is the drivers job to make sure everyone on the bus has a valid ticket to travel.
The problem IMO. Is that to many drivers turn a blind eye If a driver thinks there is a person using someone else's card, he/she is entirely entitled to take it. And refuse entry. If in doubt. Turn the engine off, call the controller.
I don't put up with it . Why should people pays 1000s per year while others cheat.

Stephen15

dashcamdanny wrote: »

It is the drivers job to make sure everyone on the bus has a valid ticket to travel.
The problem IMO. Is that to many drivers turn a blind eye If a driver thinks there is a person using someone else's card, he/she is entirely entitled to take it. And refuse entry. If in doubt. Turn the engine off, call the controller.
I don't put up with it . Why should people pays 1000s per year while others cheat.

But a Luas or a train driver isin't going care if someone dosen't pay their fare. At the end of the day DB or the NTA should be employing a larger number of ticket inspectors and not just relying on the goodness of drivers to make sure everyone pays the correct fare. By the sounds of things drivers making sure everybody pays the right fare just creates hassle for the driver.

Here we go

dashcamdanny wrote: »

It is the drivers job to make sure everyone on the bus has a valid ticket to travel.
The problem IMO. Is that to many drivers turn a blind eye If a driver thinks there is a person using someone else's card, he/she is entirely entitled to take it. And refuse entry. If in doubt. Turn the engine off, call the controller.
I don't put up with it . Why should people pays 1000s per year while others cheat.

So it 20 people pay on your bus and one guy doesn't. You'd let the 20 paying customers all be late for work (maybe the 3/4th time that week and leads to them being fired) or missing a hospital appointment they waited 6 months for and have to go back on a waiting list.

punisher5112

Here we go wrote: »

So it 20 people pay on your bus and one guy doesn't. You'd let the 20 paying customers all be late for work (maybe the 3/4th time that week and leads to them being fired) or missing a hospital appointment they waited 6 months for and have to go back on a waiting list.

That's a bit extreme......

That doesn't happen.

If you leave it that late then your time keeping isn't the best so maybe leave earlier.

What does one do when there is traffic???

Brian CivilEng

Day 1 for me with Go Ahead on the 17a, not impressed. Frequency has been reduced to 15mins, my bus was 10mins late yet two showed up at once. So either one left 5mins early (unforgivable) or one was 25mins late and the other 10mins. I'm 3 stops from the beginning of the route in Kilbarrack.

By the time we got to Santry there were 3 buses running together. I think they were aiming for a photo finish in Blanchardstown, the entire fleet arriving in formation.

Teething problems, I'll give them time. Just needed to get that rant off my chest.

Qrt

punisher5112 wrote: »

That doesn't happen.

Oh you’d be easily surprised. It’s happened to me three times and I’m only young...

devnull

Qrt wrote: »

Oh you’d be easily surprised. It’s happened to me three times and I’m only young...

Happened to me three, a fairly well known female driver out of Phibsborough would often turn the engine off when someone was over-riding, calling out to them over the PA shouting "this is your stop" only saw it happen with her mind.

5star02707

Since yesterday 2nd December the 17a doesn;t appear on any apps anymore and had to go to rtpi.ie to see it. bit of a hassle but hopefully they integrate it on any apps

Here we go

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's a bit extreme......

That doesn't happen.

If you leave it that late then your time keeping isn't the best so maybe leave earlier.

What does one do when there is traffic???

Yes it is extreme and on the balance of probability more likely not to happen then to. But you don't actually know that could be one paying passenger on that day. I don't disagree with you people should pay. But it should be enforced by having a strong revenue protection who are financed and given the support needed. Not on an individual driver putting out all the other passengers for one git who if there of a mind not to pay prob don't see it as you doing your job. And making it fair on everyone but as you being a stuck up dick. (not calling you one of course just how the mind of some people work even when there in the wrong see people standing up to that as some sort of problem with that person )

XPS_Zero

I'm greatly amused at how people will proscribe things to the post competition environment that they say never happened before.

A bus arrived on the 45a route the other day, and people had to be transferred from one bus to the other. Cue the complaints that "this never happened on the old 45a". The myths are already starting, the rose tinted glasses.

• Apparently Dublin Bus never transferred people between busses (all those times it happened on the 84 and 145 must have been dreams, not to mention all those long waits outside Donnybrook depot when the replacement driver was late)

• Apparently Dublin Bus was never late "like this" :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Yep that was CIE, efficiency, punctuality, customer service - until those ideologues with their devil horns came along to "privatize" it all (while somehow maintaining the entire thing in state ownership and control)


God I hate people...I hate people...so very much...

LuckyLloyd

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I'm greatly amused at how people will proscribe things to the post competition environment that they say never happened before.

A bus arrived on the 45a route the other day, and people had to be transferred from one bus to the other. Cue the complaints that "this never happened on the old 45a". The myths are already starting, the rose tinted glasses.

• Apparently Dublin Bus never transferred people between busses (all those times it happened on the 84 and 145 must have been dreams, not to mention all those long waits outside Donnybrook depot when the replacement driver was late)

• Apparently Dublin Bus was never late "like this" :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Yep that was CIE, efficiency, punctuality, customer service - until those ideologues with their devil horns came along to "privatize" it all (while somehow maintaining the entire thing in state ownership and control)


God I hate people...I hate people...so very much...

The reverse will no doubt be true for another cohort

end of the road

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I'm greatly amused at how people will proscribe things to the post competition environment that they say never happened before.

while tendering is a form of competition, i believe using the term competition here has the potential to mislead average people who may not understand what is actually happening, into thinking that they will have a choice of operators, which in most cases is unlikely to be the case. therefore i believe describing it as it actually is, as in tendering, would be better and accurate.

XPS_Zero wrote: »

A bus arrived on the 45a route the other day, and people had to be transferred from one bus to the other. Cue the complaints that "this never happened on the old 45a". The myths are already starting, the rose tinted glasses.

or perhapse they are not myths but actual happenings. i think you are engaging in the opposite of what you are complaining that some are doing, by trying to dismiss issues that have arisen. those issues may not have existed, or existed less before.

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Apparently Dublin Bus never transferred people between busses (all those times it happened on the 84 and 145 must have been dreams, not to mention all those long waits outside Donnybrook depot when the replacement driver was late)

Apparently Dublin Bus was never late "like this"

Yep that was CIE, efficiency, punctuality, customer service - until those ideologues with their devil horns came along to "privatize" it all (while somehow maintaining the entire thing in state ownership and control)

God I hate people...I hate people...so very much...

nobody said dublin bus didn't transfer people from busses or weren't late etc . however if those issues have increased under a new operator then you will need to except that those who are effected will complain about it and not be 100% enthusiastic about the new operator. oh and by the way, customer service issues efficientsy issues and punctuality issues aren't unique to CIE or public companies.

dashcamdanny

Here we go wrote: »

So it 20 people pay on your bus and one guy doesn't. You'd let the 20 paying customers all be late for work (maybe the 3/4th time that week and leads to them being fired) or missing a hospital appointment they waited 6 months for and have to go back on a waiting list.

Im sorry that that would happen, but drivers are also there to protect the interests of the company they work for. You just cant let people trample all over you. They just come back to do it again and again.
The incidents I choose to fight are well chosen. Off peek. You see the same people trying to bluff and lie to you. Some even will make fun of it while departing.
Im not looking for trouble by any means.
But if I let lowlifes take the mick out of me, or the company I work for, It would eat at me all day after.

If people dont have money to travel or no credit on their leap, and ask to travel in a civil manner, I would never leave them stuck either.

I think proper inspectors need to be back out on the road again. The way it used to be.