Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2017/2018

Charlie19

15% off next purchase at Elverys at the moment on spends over €50, Thats IF you have a Permanent TSB debit card and are signed up to Go-Rewards.

Good up to the 15th of Sep.

Pyjamarama

I think its understandable that Coutinho is upset that we didn't accept a bid from Barca for him. I've no doubt that he'll still give everything when playing for us tho.

Harry Palmr

noodler wrote: »

I've absolutely no idea why Ox was signed.

Cover for everyone in midfield and attack.

Iused2likebusts

Great that we will have one of the best players in the league available for us in the next couple of weeks. Will get one more year out of him as was always going to be the case. Was fairly certain the club wouldn't sell it made no sense this year.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Keita was signed to replace Can obviously....

So if can signed a new contract we wouldn't have bought keita?

liam7831

Can't see him giving 100% or even close to it

ERG89

Augeo wrote:

So if can signed a new contract we wouldn't have bought keita?

Was Can signing Klopp's first choice?
Seriously we better have offered Can at least what Oxlade Chamberlain is earning. He's a far better player.

liam7831

liam7831 wrote: »

Can't see him giving 100% or even close to it

Well he was never the model of consistency.

amber69

liam7831 wrote: »

Can't see him giving 100% or even close to it

Don't you be worried about it. You're thinking of Sanchez.

54and56

liam7831 wrote: »

Can't see him giving 100% or even close to it

If he doesn't give 100% or has a bit of an attitude Klopp won't pick him and could ultimately place him on the Sakho naughty step for the season. You don't fcuk around with Herr Klopp.

If he doesn't give 100% he won't develop, why would it be in his interest to not develop and improve his game?

ERG89

ERG89 wrote: »

Was Can signing Klopp's first choice?
Seriously we better have offered Can at least what Oxlade Chamberlain is earning. He's a far better player.

Last offer he got was rumoured to be less than what lovren got.... which is less than ox's alleged £120k/week.

rossie1977

noodler wrote: »

I've absolutely no idea why Ox was signed.

Right wing back I bet. TAA is 18 and clynes not good enough

Harry Palmr

Augeo wrote: »

So if can signed a new contract we wouldn't have bought keita?

You know what I give up, I really do - I even used italics to give emphasis to the joke.

Turtyturd

Crystal ball predicting Can to be sold, does that make him more likely to sign a new contract?

marklazarcovic

It's a shame he won't renew, developing into a quality player

Grayditch

My heart absolutely bleeds for Couthino, hahaha. Get back to work, ya fool ya.

Lukker-

marklazarcovic wrote: »

It's a shame he won't renew, developing into a quality player

Is Can's contract up next summer?

Gmol

Augeo wrote: »

So if can signed a new contract we wouldn't have bought keita?

Nope we'd like to have both Can and Keita. Can't wait to see Keita. He's going to be very special

SM01

I'm not sure if anyone's posted this already, so here it goes. An interesting piece by Simon Hughes in the (UK) Independent stating that the underhand approaches from Barca for Coutinho stem partly from the nature of the departure of Pep Segura a few years ago.


www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-couldnt-sell-philippe-coutinho-transfer-barcelona-pep-segura-john-w-henry-a7923351.html

5starpool

Lukker- wrote: »

Is Can's contract up next summer?

Unfortunately, yes.

Lukker-

5starpool wrote: »

Unfortunately, yes.

It's weird that no-one tried to sign him. Is he Juve bound or are there negotiations on-going?

Juve are unbelievably good at getting players to run down their contracts.

marklazarcovic

Deal already agreed ,a year in advance,or more. Rules eh.

theoneeyedman

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

If he doesn't give 100% or has a bit of an attitude Klopp won't pick him and could ultimately place him on the Sakho naughty step for the season. You don't fcuk around with Herr Klopp.

If he doesn't give 100% he won't develop, why would it be in his interest to not develop and improve his game?

Also has a world cup to plan for, so will want to be playing and keeping his profile up.

Throw the sink at getting Can signed up to fvck.

5starpool

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Deal already agreed ,a year in advance,or more. Rules eh.

Speculation, or are you ITK as well as half of Twitter?

SlickRic

Nicked this from Facebook from 'James Doyle'.

.....

Just want to write a little about Jurgen Klopp, because I think we've already begun to take him for granted. A few of the things I've seen written today castigating him are not only factually way off the mark, but missing the point entirely as to what makes him a great manager and the perfect antidote to the spend-wildly-and-defend-conservatively philosophy - the Mourinho philosophy - that many here seem to find compelling.

Klopp took over Dortmund 3 years after they had almost gone bust and only been saved by their fans. The year he joined they had finished 13th, and were very much in the doldrums. They had no money. Klopp was tasked with building a team on peanuts, promoting youth players and scouting for bargains in markets that were still untapped. He bought players from provincial Germany, Japan, Chile, Poland. He was given the smallest wage budget in the clubs modern history to work with too.

In his first season (08-09), his big buy was Subotic, a defender from Mainz. He cost 3.5 million, money Dortmund did not have, so he sold their top scorer the previous season, Petric, for a cash (5m) + Mohamed Zidan deal. So, he gets a defender and forward he had previously coached, made a cash profit, and not affected his tiny wage budget. He then buys two right backs (Lee Young Pyo from Spurs among them), a Brazilian centre half, and Hajnal, a Hungarian international midfielder. He also signed Kevin Prince Boateng on loan, and all of it for about 10 million quid. Dortmund fans weren't impressed; they'd seen their top scorer leave and a bunch of bodies and rejects replace him, and not a striker signed. His first year they finished 6th, and just missed out on Europe, for a net spend of way less than a million, and within even his paltry budgets.

The next season (09-10) begins with him letting their best player, and club legend, Alex Frei go for 3.5 million. Fans are again bewildered. With that money they buy a teenage Mat Hummels (250k) and a striker nobody heard of from Chile, Lucas Barrios (3.2m). Other incomings include two future German internationals, Sven Bender and Kevin Grosskreutz, for a million between them, and Rangelov, a Bulgarian international striker, who cost 750k. Klopp makes a profit of 3 million this season. Dortmund come 5th. Barrios top scores with 19.

10-11, Klopp buys Lewandowski, Kagawa, and the man who would be right back for the next 7 seasons, Lukacz Piszczek, for 4 million between them. They arrive from Poland, Japan, and Bundesliga 2 respectively. He also promotes Mario Gotze to the first team. 11 of the previous seasons first team squad are released, transferred, or loaned. He reduces the wage budget by 10%. Makes a profit of over 1.5 million. Dortmund win the league by 7 points. Barrios top scores again. Gotze makes 12 assists in his debut season.

11-12. Klopp strengthens midfield with Gundogan (Nurnberg) and Perisic (Brugge), who each cost 4.2 million. This expenditure is offset by the sale of youth product Nuri Sahin to Madrid. He also brings in youth prospects from Australia (Amini) and BL3 (Löwe). Net expenditure is less than 500k. Lewandowski takes over from Barrios and scores 20. League is won by 8.

12-13. The sales of Kagawa, Perisic and Barrios for a combined 30 million facilitates the purchase of Reus for 13. Reus had been let go by Klopp when he first joined Dortmund, but made a name for himself at nearby Moenchengladbach. Sahin returns for for 1m to replace Kagawa, and Klopp again invests in youth too; German u-21 forwards Bittencourt and Schreiber arrive for 5 million between them. Dortmund finish a distant second to all conquering Bayern, with Lewandowski scoring 24. Dortmund are also beaten in the CL final. They have a net spend of -5 million.

13-14. Gotze joins Guardiola at Bayern for 33 million after going public with his desire to leave. With the proceeds Klopp convinces Mkhitaryan to join Dortmund ahead of Liverpool (23 million) and also buys Aubameyang from St Etienne (7 million). His other major purchase is Sokratis, a Greek centre half, for 6.5 million. Net spend is 3 million. Dortmund finish behind a record breaking Bayern, who win 19 in a row and don't lose for 31, wrapping up the league with 8 games left. Lewandowski top scores again with 20.

14-15. Klopp's most trying window. Under pressure from Bayern's hegemony and their colossal spending and immense wage budget, a cold, hard, fact further reinforced when Lewandowski leaves for Bayern on a free. He is ineffectually replaced by Ciro Immobile for 15 million. He scores 3, and is injured for large for parts of the season. Klopp spends a combined 40 million to sign Kampl, Ginter, Kagawa and Ramos. It is by far his biggest splurge yet. And it fails badly. His unsettled side finish a very distant 7th, and his net spend? 50 million. Roughly 100 times what it had been for the previous six seasons... Combined. Klopp had tried to do a Bayern on a Dortmund budget and it had failed miserably. He had felt compelled to buy, to fatten out his squad to compete, and had his worst season since leaving Mainz as a result. Dortmund had been bottom before Christmas, and only gotten out of the relegation zone on match day 22. A strong end finish to the season ensued, and Klopp announced his intent to resign when European football was confirmed in the last week of April.

So this is what we have with Herr Klopp. A man man who took a zombie club from 13th to back-to-back titles by spending about a million net in 6 years. Who took them from nowhere to number 3 in Europe. And a man who just once succumbed to the idea that he needed to "spend" just to show he could, and saw it ruin almost everything he had built.

So if you ask me, this is why Klopp isn't interested in simply collecting an interchangeable pod of mercenaries to "fatten up" the squad. He wants to leave a mark, create a legacy. And he'd prefer to have a carefully selected squad of players he feels he can work with to achieve this. I, for one, am extremely glad he's our manager. He's a man with a vision, unlike many others, and I hope he gets to fulfill to at Anfield.

Pulsating Star

SM01 wrote: »

I'm not sure if anyone's posted this already, so here it goes. An interesting piece by Simon Hughes in the (UK) Independent stating that the underhand approaches from Barca for Coutinho stem partly from the nature of the departure of Pep Segura a few years ago.


www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-couldnt-sell-philippe-coutinho-transfer-barcelona-pep-segura-john-w-henry-a7923351.html

"For Segura – a decent man, and someone respected inside Liverpool particularly for his contribution towards the development of Raheem Sterling – there was reasonable embarrassment when he arrived at Melwood for the start of pre-season training only to find out then there would be no place for him in the new set-up."
That was poor form for sure if that's how it transpired.
Happens to lower level workers all the time unfortunately, he at least was able to do what many can't, and tell them to shove it on the spot.

marklazarcovic

5starpool wrote: »

Speculation, or are you ITK as well as half of Twitter?

It's been rumoured for the last 6 months,I'd wager it's no coincidence and he signs for juve

SlickRic

SlickRic wrote: »

Nicked this from Facebook from 'James Doyle'.

.....

Just want to write a little about Jurgen Klopp, because I think we've already begun to take him for granted. A few of the things I've seen written today castigating him are not only factually way off the mark, but missing the point entirely as to what makes him a great manager and the perfect antidote to the spend-wildly-and-defend-conservatively philosophy - the Mourinho philosophy - that many here seem to find compelling.

Klopp took over Dortmund 3 years after they had almost gone bust and only been saved by their fans. The year he joined they had finished 13th, and were very much in the doldrums. They had no money. Klopp was tasked with building a team on peanuts, promoting youth players and scouting for bargains in markets that were still untapped. He bought players from provincial Germany, Japan, Chile, Poland. He was given the smallest wage budget in the clubs modern history to work with too.

In his first season (08-09), his big buy was Subotic, a defender from Mainz. He cost 3.5 million, money Dortmund did not have, so he sold their top scorer the previous season, Petric, for a cash (5m) + Mohamed Zidan deal. So, he gets a defender and forward he had previously coached, made a cash profit, and not affected his tiny wage budget. He then buys two right backs (Lee Young Pyo from Spurs among them), a Brazilian centre half, and Hajnal, a Hungarian international midfielder. He also signed Kevin Prince Boateng on loan, and all of it for about 10 million quid. Dortmund fans weren't impressed; they'd seen their top scorer leave and a bunch of bodies and rejects replace him, and not a striker signed. His first year they finished 6th, and just missed out on Europe, for a net spend of way less than a million, and within even his paltry budgets.

The next season (09-10) begins with him letting their best player, and club legend, Alex Frei go for 3.5 million. Fans are again bewildered. With that money they buy a teenage Mat Hummels (250k) and a striker nobody heard of from Chile, Lucas Barrios (3.2m). Other incomings include two future German internationals, Sven Bender and Kevin Grosskreutz, for a million between them, and Rangelov, a Bulgarian international striker, who cost 750k. Klopp makes a profit of 3 million this season. Dortmund come 5th. Barrios top scores with 19.

10-11, Klopp buys Lewandowski, Kagawa, and the man who would be right back for the next 7 seasons, Lukacz Piszczek, for 4 million between them. They arrive from Poland, Japan, and Bundesliga 2 respectively. He also promotes Mario Gotze to the first team. 11 of the previous seasons first team squad are released, transferred, or loaned. He reduces the wage budget by 10%. Makes a profit of over 1.5 million. Dortmund win the league by 7 points. Barrios top scores again. Gotze makes 12 assists in his debut season.

11-12. Klopp strengthens midfield with Gundogan (Nurnberg) and Perisic (Brugge), who each cost 4.2 million. This expenditure is offset by the sale of youth product Nuri Sahin to Madrid. He also brings in youth prospects from Australia (Amini) and BL3 (Löwe). Net expenditure is less than 500k. Lewandowski takes over from Barrios and scores 20. League is won by 8.

12-13. The sales of Kagawa, Perisic and Barrios for a combined 30 million facilitates the purchase of Reus for 13. Reus had been let go by Klopp when he first joined Dortmund, but made a name for himself at nearby Moenchengladbach. Sahin returns for for 1m to replace Kagawa, and Klopp again invests in youth too; German u-21 forwards Bittencourt and Schreiber arrive for 5 million between them. Dortmund finish a distant second to all conquering Bayern, with Lewandowski scoring 24. Dortmund are also beaten in the CL final. They have a net spend of -5 million.

13-14. Gotze joins Guardiola at Bayern for 33 million after going public with his desire to leave. With the proceeds Klopp convinces Mkhitaryan to join Dortmund ahead of Liverpool (23 million) and also buys Aubameyang from St Etienne (7 million). His other major purchase is Sokratis, a Greek centre half, for 6.5 million. Net spend is 3 million. Dortmund finish behind a record breaking Bayern, who win 19 in a row and don't lose for 31, wrapping up the league with 8 games left. Lewandowski top scores again with 20.

14-15. Klopp's most trying window. Under pressure from Bayern's hegemony and their colossal spending and immense wage budget, a cold, hard, fact further reinforced when Lewandowski leaves for Bayern on a free. He is ineffectually replaced by Ciro Immobile for 15 million. He scores 3, and is injured for large for parts of the season. Klopp spends a combined 40 million to sign Kampl, Ginter, Kagawa and Ramos. It is by far his biggest splurge yet. And it fails badly. His unsettled side finish a very distant 7th, and his net spend? 50 million. Roughly 100 times what it had been for the previous six seasons... Combined. Klopp had tried to do a Bayern on a Dortmund budget and it had failed miserably. He had felt compelled to buy, to fatten out his squad to compete, and had his worst season since leaving Mainz as a result. Dortmund had been bottom before Christmas, and only gotten out of the relegation zone on match day 22. A strong end finish to the season ensued, and Klopp announced his intent to resign when European football was confirmed in the last week of April.

So this is what we have with Herr Klopp. A man man who took a zombie club from 13th to back-to-back titles by spending about a million net in 6 years. Who

So if you ask me, this is why Klopp isn't interested in simply collecting an interchangeable pod of mercenaries to "fatten up" the squad. .....

All lovely.... baffling with the cash fsg are making available to him that he can't source a CB

Talisman

Barca are whinging that Liverpool told them to cough up €200M for Coutinho on Friday.

On Friday, after weeks of offers and talks, Liverpool put a price on the player that we wanted. A price of €200m and we decided we wouldn't do it. That's an example of the way football is now. This club and this board will not get involved in that, though. What's happened in the transfer market this summer has taken us to a totally different model of football which we're not used to.

Agent Coulson

Never thought I'd see the day Liverpool would have a £35m & £150m €200m valued subs to call for if needed during the game.


Going in the right direction.

Harry Palmr

Liverpool squad

Barbosa De Oliveira, Roberto Firmino
Bogdan, Adam (injured, will be loaned or released)
Can, Emre
Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin*
Coutinho Correia, Philippe
Flanagan, Jonathan* (loan?)
Henderson, Jordan Brian*
Ings, Daniel William John*
Jones, Lloyd Richard* (loan/U23's)
Karius, Loris Sven
Klavan, Ragnar
Lallana, Adam David*
Lovren, Dejan
Mane, Sadio
Markovic, Lazar (loan)
Matip, Job Joel Andre
Mignolet, Simon
Milner, James Philip*
Moreno Perez, Alberto
Oxlade-Chamberlain, Alexander Mark David*
Robertson, Andrew
Salah, Mohamed
Sturridge, Daniel*
Ward, Daniel*
Wijnaldum, Georginio

Plus Solanke*, TAA*, Woodburn*, Ejaria*

* - home grown

GK - Mignolet/Karius/Ward
RB - Clyne/TAA/Gomez
LB - Moreno/Robertson/(Milner)
CB - Matip/Lovren/Klavan/(Gomez)
CM - Can/Henderson/Milner/Grujic
AM - Ox-Cham/Lallana/Wijnaldum/Coutinho
FW - Salah/Firmino/Mane/Sturridge/Solanke/Ings

Harry Palmr

Talisman wrote: »

Barca are whinging that Liverpool told them to cough up €200M for Coutinho on Friday.

On Friday, after weeks of offers and talks, Liverpool put a price on the player that we wanted. A price of €200m and we decided we wouldn't do it. That's an example of the way football is now. This club and this board will not get involved in that, though. What's happened in the transfer market this summer has taken us to a totally different model of football which we're not used to.

Fvcking priceless from that crowd. He was not for sale so there was no price other than the one Barcelona put on him.

Turtyturd

Hilarious attempt at face saving and trying to unsettle Coutinho further.

Also just realised that him staying really made it a disappointing window for United fans. It was the transfer they'd been looking forward to all summer.

Harry Palmr

Even worse than Arsenal not having enough time to sign Lemar.

citytillidie

Charlie19 wrote: »

Was this posted?



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-pay-visa-costs-fans-13562029

Nice gesture from the asset stripping yanks.

You could say this is a way to tackle any potential trouble

Gbear

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Fvcking priceless from that crowd. He was not for sale so there was no price other than the one Barcelona put on him.

The level of sanctimonious bull**** they come out with is nothing short of breathtaking.

How do they do it with a straight face?

I really hope their hierarchy is taken to the cleaners and someone takes over the running of the club who isn't a total gob****e.

The "Mes que un club" stuff has always been a little bit hollow but there were elements of truth to it. It's well and truly been ****ed in the bin in the last 10-15 years.

SlickRic wrote: »

14-15. Klopp's most trying window. Under pressure from Bayern's hegemony and their colossal spending and immense wage budget, a cold, hard, fact further reinforced when Lewandowski leaves for Bayern on a free. He is ineffectually replaced by Ciro Immobile for 15 million. He scores 3, and is injured for large for parts of the season. Klopp spends a combined 40 million to sign Kampl, Ginter, Kagawa and Ramos. It is by far his biggest splurge yet. And it fails badly. His unsettled side finish a very distant 7th, and his net spend? 50 million. Roughly 100 times what it had been for the previous six seasons... Combined. Klopp had tried to do a Bayern on a Dortmund budget and it had failed miserably. He had felt compelled to buy, to fatten out his squad to compete, and had his worst season since leaving Mainz as a result. Dortmund had been bottom before Christmas, and only gotten out of the relegation zone on match day 22. A strong end finish to the season ensued, and Klopp announced his intent to resign when European football was confirmed in the last week of April.

So this is what we have with Herr Klopp. A man man who took a zombie club from 13th to back-to-back titles by spending about a million net in 6 years. Who took them from nowhere to number 3 in Europe. And a man who just once succumbed to the idea that he needed to "spend" just to show he could, and saw it ruin almost everything he had built.

I take your general point, but I think you're bending things to fit your narrative a little bit.

They had incredible amounts of injuries during the season which had a huge impact.

Also, just because you spent a lot of money and failed doesn't mean you failed because you spent a lot of money.

He could well have done as he had normally done and failed even more comprehensively.

Also, it doesn't actually matter that he spent a lot. Assuming it didn't nearly bankrupt Dortmund (and after the frugality of several seasons I can't imagine that that would be the case, or he would've been allowed to do it if it would have), it makes no real difference to the team.
Maybe it adds a little pressure to him, but ultimately it's still about identifying good players, motivating them and giving them the tactical tools to succeed.

The other cautionary element I'd take from it is that if you sell your best players every year, sooner or later you're going to fail when you replace them.

NukaCola

Barca DNA lads.......

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's happened in the transfer market this summer has taken us to a totally different model of football which we're not used to.

Fvcking priceless from that crowd. He was not for sale so there was no price other than the one Barcelona put on him.

Getting used to clubs not beding over backwards to give you your own way is most certainly a different model they'll have to get used to it.

OwaynOTT

Gbear wrote: »

The level of sanctimonious bull**** they come out with is nothing short of breathtaking.

How do they do it with a straight face?

I really hope their hierarchy is taken to the cleaners and someone takes over the running of the club who isn't a total gob****e.

The "Mes que un club" stuff has always been a little bit hollow but there were elements of truth to it. It's well and truly been ****ed in the bin in the last 10-15 years.



I take your general point, but I think you're bending things to fit your narrative a little bit.

They had incredible amounts of injuries during the season which had a huge impact.

Also, just because you spent a lot of money and failed doesn't mean you failed because you spent a lot of money.

He could well have done as he had normally done and failed even more comprehensively.

Also, it doesn't actually matter that he spent a lot. Assuming it didn't nearly bankrupt Dortmund (and after the frugality of several seasons I can't imagine that that would be the case, or he would've been allowed to do it if it would have), it makes no real difference to the team.
Maybe it adds a little pressure to him, but ultimately it's still about identifying good players, motivating them and giving them the tactical tools to succeed.

The other cautionary element I'd take from it is that if you sell your best players every year, sooner or later you're going to fail when you replace them.

Or even worse, let your best player run down their contract and go on a free.

SuperTortoise

More bull**** from Barca, we did'nt say we wanted 200m for him we said he's not for sale.

Barca trying to save face here.

Agent Coulson

If FSG did tell them €200m with hours to go in the transfer window and Barca came up with the money I would happily let him go for that even if we didn't get anyone in to replace him.


Or even better if the did come in with the cash we just upped the price by €23m.

Grayditch

Watching a spoiled child not get their own way is tasty as f.

Drumpot

Do you think Coutihno will be able to put his disappointment aside and perform at his peak this season ? Do you feel Liverpool didn't sell to save face or because the player is an integral part of their plans this season ?

Its a funny one, because it appears that Liverpool have a player who desperately wanted to leave, so the risk is that you have an underperforming superstar for one year and might even get less for him next season.

In terms of Klopp, I think he's the right coach at the right club. I wanted him as United manager because I prefer his approach in terms of building teams and in terms of football that his teams play. I do wonder if Liverpool would of been better served selling Coutihno because it has the potential to be a hindrance if his form is really erratic and the issue doesn't settle down.

What exactly where Barca complaining about ? Just heard some headline on SSN, but scoffed at the thought . .

Grayditch

Grayditch wrote: »

Watching a spoiled child not get their own way is tasty as f.

It's ****ing excellent

Buford T. Justice XIX

SuperTortoise wrote: »

More bull**** from Barca, we did'nt say we wanted 200m for him we said he's not for sale.

Barca trying to save face here.

Barca can kiss my hairy white ass!

I hope we sell Coutinho to PSG next summer and not even listen to bids from those hypocritical barstewards.

Agent Coulson

I'd be telling Coutinho see they really didn't want you as badly as they were telling you.

If they really really really wanted you they would have paid the money.

Turtyturd

Grayditch wrote: »

Watching a spoiled child not get their own way is tasty as f.

They're no ricero.

Speak Now

The irony of Barcelona taking the high moral ground such good guys.

Agent Coulson

I'd love to see John W come out and say Barca never actually bid over say €80m and that included add-ons. (Even if it's not true)


That they are just lying about everything.

Gmol

Augeo wrote: »

All lovely.... baffling with the cash fsg are making available to him that he can't source a CB

He just wants the right one. There are many centre backs out there but very few better that would improve the team when playing the way we do.