Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2017/2018

One_Of_Shanks

StringerBell wrote: »

If you seek attention you will get it.

Aye. If you don't get it on the United thread you'll hopefully get it here.
Nobody will have a gander at your previous posts.

StringerBell

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Aye. If you don't get it on the United thread you'll hopefully get it here.
Nobody will have a gander at your previous posts.

I have no idea what you're on about Ted.

One_Of_Shanks

StringerBell wrote: »

I have no idea what you're on about Ted.

Good for you. Yeah let's leave it there so.

J Mysterio

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I'm not a betting man at all but I imagine you wouldn't get great odds on that.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say you would get something on a 3-4 result not huge odds but something.

I see you're not a gambling man either :pac:

niallo27

No honestly I have defended rafa, Rodgers houlier but if you can't see what klopp is doing you can **** the **** off cos your an idiot. The man is a genius who will get us to the top.

One_Of_Shanks

niallo27 wrote: »

No honestly I have defended rafa, Rodgers houlier but if you can't see what klopp is doing you can **** the **** off cos your an idiot. The man is a genius who will get us to the top.

Relax and don't be worrying Niall. Virtually every Liverpool fan worth his/her salt is behind the manager.
You've ney reason to be arsed.

~Rebel~

As far as this season is concerned, my goal for the league is the same as last season - to manage 2ppg. Exactly what we actually ended up finishing with last season. Get that, whilst getting to the knockouts in Europe, and i'll be satisfied with calling it progress. Anything extra would be a bonus for me, though I would love the FA cup (now that the EFL is gone).

Jesus Wept

Knex. wrote: »

Every time Lovren costs us a goal it should be referred to as Dejan vu.

Has fun bobby yet been referred to as Bobby Dazzler?

One_Of_Shanks

~Rebel~ wrote: »

As far as this season is concerned, my goal for the league is the same as last season - to manage 2ppg. Exactly what we actually ended up finishing with last season. Get that, whilst getting to the knockouts in Europe, and i'll be satisfied with calling it progress. Anything extra would be a bonus for me, though I would love the FA cup (now that the EFL is gone).

No offence but how many points per game we achieve is irrelevant.

Some seasons you can win the league or finish 4th with similar amounts.

4th again would do me. And hopefully build on it this time.

I think we waited a long time for the last top 4 finish and then wasted it to a large degree.

~Rebel~

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

No offence but how many points per game we achieve is irrelevant.

Some seasons you can win the league or finish 4th with similar amounts.

4th again would do me. And hopefully build on it this time.

I think we waited a long time for the last top 4 finish and then wasted it to a large degree.

It's just one of those things. You can have a static goal, or a shifting goal. We don't know what achieves 4th... it could be 80 points. I'd not consider it a failed season if we got 79 and missed out.

Personally I prefer to think of a tangible, quantifiable improvement, where even if you don't reach your ideal result (fourth plus), you know where you stand in the longer term. More points year on year is my goal in the long term. The success that those points attain will follow.

I just refuse to let my perspective on what the team does be skewed by what others do in games that don't relate to us. Obviously I want us to win the league and such, but for my judgment on what our team does game by game, point by point, i'll be satisfied with 2ppg and whatever that happens to bring.

One_Of_Shanks

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's just one of those things. You can have a static goal, or a shifting goal. We don't know what achieves 4th... it could be 80 points. I'd not consider it a failed season if we got 79 and missed out.

Personally I prefer to think of a tangible, quantifiable improvement, where even if you don't reach your ideal result (fourth plus), you know where you stand in the longer term. More points year on year is my goal in the long term. The success that those points attain will follow.

I just refuse to let my perspective on what the team does be skewed by what others do in games that don't relate to us. Obviously I want us to win the league and such, but for my judgment on what our team does game by game, point by point, i'll be satisfied with 2ppg and whatever that happens to bring.

You have a lovely way of phrasing things, Rebel. A really stylish way of making a point that's always easy on the eye.
I admire you for that.
But maybe sometimes practical things are more important.
If we nab 4th then who cares how many points per game we get?
How many points per game did we get the year Arsenal finished ahead of us with Houllier in charge?
Or Rodgers that time? A slip away.
It's sad but it insignificant.
2.25ppg and all that, it's a nonsense
You finish where you finish.

Agent Coulson

~Rebel~ wrote: »

As far as this season is concerned, my goal for the league is the same as last season - to manage 2ppg. Exactly what we actually ended up finishing with last season. Get that, whilst getting to the knockouts in Europe, and i'll be satisfied with calling it progress. Anything extra would be a bonus for me, though I would love the FA cup (now that the EFL is gone).

Same 2pp should get us top 4 them knockout stages of the CL and one of the domestic cups would be great.

But top 4 again shows signs of improvement and progression from where the club has been since Rafa left.

Talisman

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

You have a lovely way of phrasing things, Rebel. A really stylish way of making a point that's always easy on the eye.
I admire you for that.
But maybe sometimes practical things are more important.
If we nab 4th then who cares how many points per game we get?
How many points per game did we get the year Arsenal finished ahead of us with Houllier in charge?
Or Rodgers that time? A slip away.
It's sad but it insignificant.
2.25ppg and all that, it's a nonsense
You finish where you finish.

The numbers aren't a nonsense, they show you how the team is performing. 76 points (2ppg) is a good target, if a team achieves that target then historically they make the top 4 which is the target for the season.

2016/17 : 4th
2015/16 : 2nd
2014/15 : 3rd
2013/14 : 5th* (4th: 79pts)
2012/13 : 3rd
2011/12 : 3rd
2010/11 : 2nd
2009/10 : 3rd
2008/09 : 4th
2007/08 : 4th
2006/07 : 3rd
2005/06 : 4th
2004/05 : 4th
2003/04 : 3rd
2002/03 : 3rd
2001/02 : 4th
2000/01 : 2nd
1999/00 : 2nd
1998/99 : 3rd
1997/98 : 3rd
1996/97 : 1st
1995/96 : 3rd

In 2013/14 we weren't a slip away from winning the league - that was a dream. In the first half of that season (19 games) Liverpool picked up 36 points (1.89ppg). In the second half of the season we picked up 48 points (2.52ppg). Arsenal (1997/98) are the only team to have previously had a 12 point swing in their form for the second half of the season and win the league title. The 2.52ppg run was record breaking league champion form but you are kidding yourself if you believe Liverpool were genuine contenders for the title that season.

In 2008/9, Liverpool finished second with 86 points, our highest points total in the 38 game era. Benitez delivered the consistency you expect from a team that is challenging for the title - 44 points in the first 19 games (2.31ppg), 42 points in the second half of the season (2.21ppg).

In 2001/2, Houllier's Liverpool finished second with 80 points. Liverpool picked up 37 points in the first half of the season (1.95ppg), and 43 in the second half (2.26ppg). Arsenal won the league with 87 points.

The PPG numbers show that in both 2008/9 and 2001/2 which are both considered title challenging seasons that even if our best half season's form was extended over the full season we wouldn't have won the title. The team weren't consistent enough.

2008/9 : 2 x 44 = 88 points (Man Utd won the league with 90 points)
2001/2 : 2 x 43 = 86 points (Arsenal won the league with 87 points)

1996/97 isn't considered a title challenge season but Liverpool were top of the league after 19 games with 38 points (2ppg). The form faded in the second half of the season and we finished fourth with 68 points.

1996/97 : 2 x 38 = 76 points (Man Utd won the league with 75 points)

You can choose to ignore the numbers, but whether you like them or not they are part of the analysis of the game.

5starpool

So we challenged for the league when we finished 4 points behind, and 7 points behind, but not when we finished 2 points behind? Is there some humour I'm missing?

internelligent

Winning tomorrow will have us at 2ppg. I'd be very happy with that. Won't be easy but sure it never is. 😦

One_Of_Shanks

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Aye. If you don't get it on the United thread you'll hopefully get it here.
Nobody will have a gander at your previous posts.

Back of the net!

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

So we challenged for the league when we finished 4 points behind, and 7 points behind, but not when we finished 2 points behind? Is there some humour I'm missing?

Yeah, I think I'm missing the humour too. Or the crack pipe!

Harry Palmr

Great news, being the last game of the weekend there is not much time to feel miserable before the working week distracts us

not yet

Anyone see the Spurs fans doing a video take off of the Lion King, mother of jaysus it is cringy beyond belief.

Moist Bread

niallo27 wrote: »

No honestly I have defended rafa, Rodgers houlier but if you can't see what klopp is doing you can **** the **** off cos your an idiot. The man is a genius who will get us to the top.

Hahahaha, oh boy.

It hard to believe this was written by a grown man.

One_Of_Shanks

5starpool wrote: »

So we challenged for the league when we finished 4 points behind, and 7 points behind, but not when we finished 2 points behind? Is there some humour I'm missing?

Ha, good spot.

But even aside from that stats are often way misleading.If stats were half what people make out then jermaine Pennant wudda beena good buy and Sam Allardyce would have been a great manager.

One_Of_Shanks

Moist Bread wrote: »

Hahahaha, oh boy.

It hard to believe this was written by a grown man.

Ah give him a break. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion and it's not like he meant anything bad by it.
It was late on a friday too. That can affect us all

Buford T. Justice XIX

Paul Joyce reckons Sturridge may start on Sunday.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/fit-again-daniel-sturridge-is-back-in-the-frame-2hdhcxg75

Harry Palmr

Hmmm ambiguity for me Clive.

On Thursday I wondered if there were maybe too many cooks with the Coutinho +3 attack formation and that 3 + a striker might well be more focused and yet if Sturridge is the point of attack can he put in the shift needed? Mind you it'll still be a front three presumably so the pressure will still be on them all to deliver a goal by direct shooting.

corwill

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

corwill

corwill wrote: »

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

I reckon I'll need 5 Xanex to watch him.

BorneTobyWilde

_________Mig_________


___Gomez_Matip_Lovern_


Milner____________Moreno

________Hender________

______Coutinho_______

Mane____________Firmino

______Sturridge________

Kill em that way .

corwill

corwill wrote: »

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

He seems a negative enough chap.
Klopp must have changed the no train no game rule.

BorneTobyWilde

corwill wrote: »

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

He's a mystery man, drops out of games with no explanation. I knew there was something going on with him, mentioned it many times.

mosstin

Having a specialist striker in this team would make such a difference. Sure, you can argue that with such a player our system might not be as fluid/flexible but I don't see why not. Imagine a Torres or a Suarez taking the goalscoring burden off Salah, Sané or Firmino.
Watching Kane today - Lukaku and Morata too - and it shows the value of a finisher. What we have with Firmino - brilliant, by the way - is like Spurs asking, say, Eriksen to shoulder the burden of finishing off the chances created.
We have a specialist striker, sure, but he's now quite immobile and therefore won't get a consistent enough run in the team to get his goalscoring touch back again. I don't blame him for snatching at chances like he had against Spartak the other night.

mosstin

corwill wrote: »

I reckon I'll need 5 Xanex to watch him.

https://twitter.com/DietmarHamann/status/914103837371314177

Irishmale0399

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

He's a mystery man, drops out of games with no explanation. I knew there was something going on with him, mentioned it many times.

Read a few weeks ago (not sure if it was English or German newspaper) he is having personal problems, his missus is reported to have had an affair with a known criminal and he has it in for the family now. Was reported that a flat he rented on holiday in his homeland whilst he was on holiday was gassed. He woke up the next morning and couldnt remember a thing....

The lad seems to be carrying a lot of baggage.

Addionally just read in the German press that Klopp wants Keita in Jan and is willing to pay to get him.

ricero

mosstin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DietmarHamann/status/914103837371314177

Bitter Didi sucks !

mosstin

ricero wrote: »

Bitter Didi sucks !

Made me laugh. I think we're too precious about players these days. With or without medication, Lovren is a very poor defender.

mosstin

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Read a few weeks ago (not sure if it was English or German newspaper) he is having personal problems, his missus is reported to have had an affair with a known criminal and he has it in for the family now. Was reported that a flat he rented on holiday in his homeland whilst he was on holiday was gassed. He woke up the next morning and couldnt remember a thing....

The lad seems to be carrying a lot of baggage.

Addionally just read in the German press that Klopp wants Keita in Jan and is willing to pay to get him.

Fuck me. A saga to sign him and now another one starting about getting him in January. I hate winter.

Rumple Stillson

corwill wrote: »

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

I don't know if it's been discussed much but I do think it would have been sensible to have purchased a centre half during the transfer window.

ricero

mosstin wrote: »

Fuck me. A saga to sign him and now another one starting about getting him in January. I hate winter.

Reports going around that hes acting the fool and the manager is pissed off behind the scenes

Kerrigooney

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

I don't know if it's been discussed much but I do think it would have been sensible to have purchased a centre half during the transfer window.

Nope. First time it's been mentioned.

J Mysterio

mosstin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DietmarHamann/status/914103837371314177

Brilliant :pac:

And spot on. As pointed out, makes the transfer window even worse with that knowledge.

Rumple Stillson

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Nope. First time it's been mentioned.

Has anyone mentioned how bad we are at corners? We're really bad at those.

Kerrigooney

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned how bad we are at corners? We're really bad at those.

At both ends of the pitch.

mormank

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Hmmm ambiguity for me Clive.

On Thursday I wondered if there were maybe too many cooks with the Coutinho +3 attack formation and that 3 + a striker might well be more focused and yet if Sturridge is the point of attack can he put in the shift needed? Mind you it'll still be a front three presumably so the pressure will still be on them all to deliver a goal by direct shooting.

Is there another type of shooting that I'm unaware of??

Barnavave

Kerrigooney wrote: »

At both ends of the pitch.

When did we last score from a corner?

ShamoBuc

Barnavave wrote: »

When did we last score from a corner?

Do og's count :pac:

Kerrigooney

Barnavave wrote: »

When did we last score from a corner?

Feels like a long time ago but I have no doubt someone with a better memory than me will tell us it was recently.

The gangster & lovren story is a load of twaddle.... the gangster worked as a lumberjack or something for minimum wage in Croatia.... he's not really in the gangster territory really.... petty crook at best.

Lovren being robbed on hols was unrelated by all accounts.

5starpool

Barnavave wrote: »

When did we last score from a corner?

We scored from an arsenal corner and month ago m

One_Of_Shanks

Barnavave wrote: »

When did we last score from a corner?

Yeah our corners are woeful. At least we seem (I think) to have stopped this nonsense whereby the corner taker raises his two hands in the air, which was our friendly way of telling the nearest defender to get ready coz this is about to hit you in the head, which is always did and still does.

At this stage I'd rather see us just take short corners and retain possession because at the mo it's too easy for the opponent, concede a corner and then clear it without a whisp of danger.

We'll no doubt score a cracker from a header via a corner tomorrow now

BorneTobyWilde

Hamann is a bit crude at times. He should know it's never easy at Liverpool, ex player making fun of current player is a bit low.
Lovern was brilliant in Klopp first season.

Bowlardo

corwill wrote: »

Just to get us all talking so very constructively again about the last transfer window...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dejan-lovren-taking-five-pills-13697178.amp

Just play gomez at centre back so