Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2017/2018

Moist Bread

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Robertson for Hull had a crossing % of 17 % successful and he's a great crosser ,
Moerno for Liverpool has a crossing % of 24% successful
Now take into account Robertson played for a team who's game plan was crossing with big players and big forwards,
Moreno has never been know for crossing a ball and plays for a team who don't use it as a game plan
Its a myth that Robertson is some deadly crosser of the ball.

When he was playing for Liverpool this season his crosses looked dangerous. It's not only for his crossing ability I would like him in the team. It's not like that's all he is, is a crossing machine.

Edit: What makes a cross successful in those stats? Just a teammate getting the first touch on it?

yourdeadwright

Moist Bread wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

How do you cross a ball  ?? are you serious u aim to pick someone out , watch back he crosses when there no one even in the box,  A cross is the same as a pass you aim to pick someone out, You really think all crosses are just whipped into the box with no attention to where players are going ?

Yeah, that's not what I said at all.

Of course you are aiming to pick someone out. With a lot of passes you play the ball into the space ahead of where the players momentum is going, pretty basic stuff.  I can't tell if you are on the wind up or not.

I'm not on a wind up I don't think he's good at crossing a ball at all, he never picks anyone out therefore he's not good ,same if a midfielder keeps trying 30 yarders that don't go to one of our players , can't see how its good if no ones on the end of it,

Crash Bang Wall

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Robertson for Hull had a crossing % of 17 % successful and he's a great crosser ,
Moerno for Liverpool  has a crossing % of 24% successful
Now take into account Robertson played for a team who's game plan was crossing with big players and big forwards,
Moreno has never been know for crossing a ball and plays for a team who don't use it as a game plan
Its a myth that Robertson is some deadly crosser of the ball.

If a guy whips in a cross across the 6 yard box where the keeper is taken out of the game but the striker doesnt get to it....is that deemed unsuccessful?

He whipped in some great crosses v Leicester and Palace

If you are crossing to big No 9s in the air, the 2 Centre Backs are going to get to a fair few of them.

Id say the stats here are misleading

Harry Palmr

Stats are for fools, just watch him put the balls right where any good CF would want them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vO0pT4okl4

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Stats are for fools, just watch him put the balls right where any good CF would want them.

This is my point , The above is always used,

Moist Bread wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Robertson for Hull had a crossing % of 17 % successful and he's a great crosser ,
Moerno for Liverpool  has a crossing % of 24% successful
Now take into account Robertson played for a team who's game plan was crossing with big players and big forwards,
Moreno has never been know for crossing a ball and plays for a team who don't use it as a game plan
Its a myth that Robertson is some deadly crosser of the ball.

When he was playing for Liverpool this season his crosses looked dangerous. It's not only for his crossing ability I would like him in the team. It's not like that's all he is, is a crossing machine.

Edit: What makes a cross successful in those stats?  Just a teammate getting the first touch on it?

If it gets to your teammate,

The concept of a team competing in the CL that doesn't use crosses as a strategy.......... Robertson is being slated as no on is at the end of his crosses. As we don't play a propor striker.

That's now normal for LFC, the lad whipping in quality crosses is doing it all wrong as there's seldom anyone in the box.

Unreal.

Forwards are meant to get on the end of crosses, movement etc etc............ it's not a case of lad stands in 6 yard box, winger sees him and than crosses the ball onto his noggiin.

Jesus Wept

yourdeadwright

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Last time i seen us play we play with a false 9 in Firmino , So why bother keep whipping.in aimless crosses , Robertson get to see the team sheet not like he doesnt know its Firmino hes playing with
Plus people saying he shoud benplaying ahead of Moreno becasue of hes crossing which even at hull has never been good , ,
He wasnt a great buy and is a worse player than Moreno , who isnt great himself

Jesus Wept

Not sure how you got all that from my post.

Osmosis Jones

Robertson's started two league games and was MOTM in one of them, I guess it's time to write him off as a failure.

redzerdrog

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Robertson's started two league games and was MOTM in one of them, I guess it's time to write him off as a failure.

And was awful in the other!

But it's not that he is a fail wand I actually expect him to be the starting lb by the end of the season but Moreno has done better than him so far and seem to offer a bit of pace which we can lack at times. Yet some people moan that Robertson isn't in the team as if it is travesty.

mosstin

redzerdrog wrote: »

And was awful in the other!

But it's not that he is a fail wand I actually expect him to be the starting lb by the end of the season but Moreno has done better than him so far and seem to offer a bit of pace which we can lack at times. Yet some people moan that Robertson isn't in the team as if it is travesty.

What's head-scratching is that he can't even make the bloody squad when it's a position we're clearly lacking in.

Edit: I'm trying to figure out which match he was awful in? Looked promising to me in outings vs Palace and Burnley.

redzerdrog

mosstin wrote: »

What's head-scratching is that he can't even make the bloody squad when it's a position we're clearly lacking in.

Edit: I'm trying to figure out which match he was awful in? Looked promising to me in outings vs Palace and Burnley.

Don't see what the panic is in him no making the squad. Other cover more positions so are better use of a bench place. Ie Klavan or Milner can play lb of moreno gets injured during a match.

He was awful against Burnley very slow on the ball and used it very poorly. Moreno's pace me in missed was also probably highlighted by Can and Milner playing in the middle

ElTel

redzerdrog wrote: »

Don't see what the panic is in him no making the squad. Other cover more positions so are better use of a bench place. Ie Klavan or Milner can play lb of moreno gets injured during a match.

He was awful against Burnley very slow on the ball and used it very poorly. Moreno's pace me in missed was also probably highlighted by Can and Milner playing in the middle

Yeah Moreno's pace is the main reason but a shake up in midfield with Coutinho Ox and Can/Hendo (say) could perhaps improve the whole attack as a "six" and then Robertson's lack of pace is less of a concern.

mosstin

redzerdrog wrote: »

Don't see what the panic is in him no making the squad. Other cover more positions so are better use of a bench place. Ie Klavan or Milner can play lb of moreno gets injured during a match.

He was awful against Burnley very slow on the ball and used it very poorly. Moreno's pace me in missed was also probably highlighted by Can and Milner playing in the middle

Neither Klavan or Milner are specialised left backs, a position he was signed to fill. He's also vastly superior to either going forward, a reason often suggested why Moreno keeps his place in the side.

And he definitely wasn't awful against Burnley. We conceded one, scarcely his fault and our performance that day was collectively under par so you don't need to highlight him to make a point.

~Rebel~

mosstin wrote: »

Neither Klavan or Milner are specialised left backs, a position he was signed to fill. He's also vastly superior to either going forward, a reason often suggested why Moreno keeps his place in the side.

And he definitely wasn't awful against Burnley. We conceded one, scarcely his fault and our performance that day was collectively under par so you don't need to highlight him to make a point.

You want your bench to do two things - cover for injuries, and change a game. But you only get a certain number of options. So players that can perform multiple roles are more valuable.

Obviously neither of those mentioned are completely specialized left backs, but we know Milner is well capable of playing there. I probably wouldn't include Klavan as an option at LB, but if Gomez is on the field for instance, he can shift wide with Klavan going centre. Full back's especially only really get swapped if they're injured, so if you can cater for that loss without having to completely sacrifice a bench position for an unlikely eventuality, it makes sense to do that.

Agree on Robertson though, don't think he's ever been bad. He's always either been fine, or very good.

redzerdrog

~Rebel~ wrote: »

You want your bench to do two things - cover for injuries, and change a game. But you only get a certain number of options. So players that can perform multiple roles are more valuable.

Obviously neither of those mentioned are completely specialized left backs, but we know Milner is well capable of playing there. I probably wouldn't include Klavan as an option at LB, but if Gomez is on the field for instance, he can shift wide with Klavan going centre. Full back's especially only really get swapped if they're injured, so if you can cater for that loss without having to completely sacrifice a bench position for an unlikely eventuality, it makes sense to do that.

Agree on Robertson though, don't think he's ever been bad. He's always either been fine, or very good.

This but also we have two very young players playing rb with generally one on the bench. You might see more of Robertson on the bench when Clyne is fit and playing. As you might not need the extra protection for RB and someone like gomez could cover RB And CB from the bench.

But Robertson isn't the type of player that will change a game so maybe not. I don't think the reaction every time he is not on the bench is any way warranted given the above.

brevity

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/psg-star-drops-liverpool-hint-13718875.amp

Adrien Rabiot likes Liverpool

Agent Coulson

brevity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/psg-star-drops-liverpool-hint-13718875.amp

Adrien Rabiot likes Liverpool

Now that would be a great signing.

J Mysterio

brevity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/psg-star-drops-liverpool-hint-13718875.amp

Adrien Rabiot likes Liverpool

Yes please

~Rebel~

So, in some sort of ideal scenario, Rabiot at the base of our midfield, with Keita and one of Lallana, Henderson, or Wijnaldum ahead of him? Tasty.
(even in an ideal scenario, i'm resigned to losing Can and Coutinho).

dogbert27

I don't get this lack of pace for Robertson. The youtube clip of him in the Leicester game shows he's got a bit of speed.

And if it's the case he's not making the bench because he can only cover 1 position that he's dedicated too then I'd start him at left back and have Moreno on the bench who can be used as a left back or more advanced in a left wing role if needed.

mosstin

brevity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/psg-star-drops-liverpool-hint-13718875.amp

Adrien Rabiot likes Liverpool

Player once had poster of Steven Gerrard on his bedroom wall.

The lean is inevitable, isn't it?

Adrien Rabiot, come the Summer he'll have one year left on the contract so he'd certainly be attainable you'd imagine.

However, if we don't finish in the Top4 again I doubt he'd fancy a move to Anfield and there'd be more than us interested in him.

Dunno is he in the seemingly tiny pool of players that Klopp goes after either.

Grayditch

Augeo wrote: »

Dunno is he in the seemingly tiny pool of players that Klopp goes after either.

If Klopp does want him, but we don't get him, at least we'll leave the space vacant for him for when we do.

Grayditch

Grayditch wrote: »

If Klopp does want him, but we don't get him, at least we'll leave the space vacant for him for when we do.

super_furry

brevity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/psg-star-drops-liverpool-hint-13718875.amp

Adrien Rabiot likes Liverpool

"Rabiot, who can operate in a defensive midfield role, is under contract until 2019 and has broken his way into the France national side."

Ah well it was nice while it lasted. Klopp doesn't do defensive midfielders.

not yet

Right I'm going to say it..

I like Rio Ferdinand.

Just watched an interview with him and he really is a grounded sound man.

not yet

~Rebel~ wrote: »

You want your bench to do two things - cover for injuries, and change a game. But you only get a certain number of options. So players that can perform multiple roles are more valuable.

Obviously neither of those mentioned are completely specialized left backs, but we know Milner is well capable of playing there. I probably wouldn't include Klavan as an option at LB, but if Gomez is on the field for instance, he can shift wide with Klavan going centre. Full back's especially only really get swapped if they're injured, so if you can cater for that loss without having to completely sacrifice a bench position for an unlikely eventuality, it makes sense to do that.

Agree on Robertson though, don't think he's ever been bad. He's always either been fine, or very good.

And be comfortable..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

not yet wrote: »

Right I'm going to say it..

I like Rio Ferdinand.

Just watched an interview with him and he really is a grounded sound man.

Nice but dim, was always the impression i got...

JB81

Liam O wrote: »

I was thinking of starting a thread on this but Klopp's Dortmund team were very different to this Liverpool team. Yes they pressed up the pitch but not as rigidly as the Liverpool press. The full backs weren't as attacking and there was always a big man up front to hold the ball and let the 3 behind him transition at the right time rather than chasing everything forward.

For Liverpool they press forward even when the other team are in a lot of space so one good pass can take a lot of players out of the game with no cover. The Dortmund team would do a far better job at covering those passing lanes and pressed in a more controlled manner than the gung ho stuff Liverpool are doing leaving players all over the place.

I agree it this.
We dont't have the focal point to the attack. Firmino does well but is not an out and out goalscorer. We have enough supply from our attackers that if we had someone up top who could finish we would be very happy at this point in time. turn two draws into wins and we are sitting on 16 points in third place.

For this reason I think we should give Solanke a chance. Its not working at the moment so why not?
Maybe not against Utd, but what better place for a young fella to stand up!

54and56

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Nice but dim, was always the impression i got...

I don't think he's dim at all, might be the Cockney accent and slang type language he uses that gives that impression but I think he's quite articulate and insightful.

He was a serious player and has been through a lot in his personal life. The missed drugs test will always be a black mark against him but he was some player and seems to be a good guy all round.

sword1

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I don't think he's dim at all, might be the Cockney accent and slang type language he uses that gives that impression but I think he's quite articulate and insightful.

He was a serious player and has been through a lot in his personal life. The missed drugs test will always be a black mark against him but he was some player and seems to be a good guy all round.

A good family man doesn't cheat on his wife with scores of women, from his stag night to when she was pregnant etc, etc. That is why anything he says lacks credibility when he tries to give the impression that he was a model husband /father.

razorblunt

He most definitely is not a "good guy all round".

After all our recent chats on the midfield......... https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/10/goals-assists-consistency-liverpools-midfield-trio-contributing-enough/?utm_source=webpush&utm_medium=Campaign&utm_campaign=webpush

Agent Coulson

mosstin wrote: »

Player once had poster of Steven Gerrard on his bedroom wall.

The lean is inevitable, isn't it?

Just don't ask Gerrard to get out of bed early to meet him have an evening meeting instead.

At the time when I was at MK there was contact with Liverpool before I signed for Tottenham, but that was before we’d even spoke to Tottenham. I think it was six months before.

We went up there and I think they knew that Steven Gerrard was my hero, so they said he was going to come down to meet me, but when I got there he was asleep apparently.

I think he had a game the next day though so I understand.

https://www.balls.ie/football/dele-alli-didnt-sign-liverpool-steven-gerrard-fell-asleep-354703

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Just don't ask Gerrard to get out of bed early to meet him have an evening meeting instead.



https://www.balls.ie/football/dele-alli-didnt-sign-liverpool-steven-gerrard-fell-asleep-354703

Yeah, just as well that Dele Alli lad never went on to be anything - I wouldn't sleep well at night if he had.

Yawn.

not yet

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I don't think he's dim at all, might be the Cockney accent and slang type language he uses that gives that impression but I think he's quite articulate and insightful.

He was a serious player and has been through a lot in his personal life. The missed drugs test will always be a black mark against him but he was some player and seems to be a good guy all round.

They way he has handled the death of his Partner and mother over the past few years is quite touching, plus the way he speaks about his kids is quite endearing.

not yet

not yet wrote: »

They way he has handled the death of his Partner and mother over the past few years is quite touching, plus the way he speaks about his kids is quite endearing.

ah ffs the death of his partner and his kids.
Axe murderers would be endearing in that siutation if you have the blinkers on.

marklazarcovic

Rio is decent on comms,does not appear too biased compared to a few,I'd prefer listening to him than most of the others,he shagged around on his wife,he's not the first.

Knex*

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Rio is decent on comms,does not appear too biased compared to a few,I'd prefer listening to him than most of the others,he shagged around on his wife,he's not the first.

Exactly. And as if any of us know what its like to be that famous, where you'd had nothing but success, and you have women absolutely throwing themselves at you.

Inevitably you're going to think you can do pretty much anything, and honestly, they pretty much can. Such is the life of the extremely successful. I'm not going to judge them on that tbh. I've no idea how I myself would handle that situation. Don't get me wrong, what Rio did was a **** thing to do, but painting him as some sort of scumbag because of it is a bit harsh.

Bill Burr says it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

johnpatrick81

Damn I gotta watch more Bill Burr!

Agent Coulson

And the winner of September player of the month is ..................

Salah

eyerer

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And the winner of September player of the month is ..................

Salah

I see a pattern forming :pac:

54and56

sword1 wrote: »

A good family man doesn't cheat on his wife with scores of women, from his stag night to when she was pregnant etc, etc. That is why anything he says lacks credibility when he tries to give the impression that he was a model husband /father.

OK, I stand corrected. Didn't know he was a dog. Was basing my opinion on what I've seen of him during punditry and interviews etc. which I guess isn't the smartest thing in the world to do

Vicxas

This England team is dire.

Hendo just points at nothing. And Ox got subbed. Didn't even realise he was on the pitch he was that quiet

54and56

Knex. wrote: »

Bill Burr says it best.

Bill Burr says a lot of things very well TBF but his opinion of Motherhood and it's importance in the world is totally off the mark :eek:

eyerer

I don't fancy parenting myself and I wouldn't consider it easy.
I laughed at this bit though

Noone corrects them cause they wanna f**k them

Vicxas

Vicxas wrote: »

This England team is dire.

Hendo just points at nothing. And Ox got subbed. Didn't even realise he was on the pitch he was that quiet

Southgate isn't a great manager either to be fair. Very limited tactically.

Utopia Parkway

Vicxas wrote: »

This England team is dire.

Hendo just points at nothing. And Ox got subbed. Didn't even realise he was on the pitch he was that quiet

The Ox is even worse than I thought he was and I didn't have high hopes for him from the start. And we spent 35M on him. Good jaysus.