Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2017/2018

corwill

Moist Bread wrote: »

Politics and sport don't mix well, buckos.

That's like saying real life and sport don't mix. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum.

NukaCola

Oranage2 wrote: »

A little, but I'm no expert.

Fair enough, I think its a discussion for a different thread though, I know someone brought up the deal with Tibet water and LFC and there was some concern about the deal. Maybe they would like to continue their point, I think I'll stay out of it at the risk of bringing the thread OT.

Moist Bread

corwill wrote: »

That's like saying real life and sport don't mix. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum.

It was a throwaway comment. I seperate my entertainment from "real life", it's easier that way. **** can tedious real quick otherwise and life is short.

One_Of_Shanks

Moist Bread wrote: »

**** can

That's harsh. He might sign the contract yet!

brevity

Augeo wrote: »

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/08/jurgen-klopp-frustrated-lack-progress-emre-can-contract-talks/?utm_source=webpush&utm_medium=Campaign&utm_campaign=webpush


Can's contract doesn't look to be getting sorted anytime soon.........

Kloppo "“He will play here for the next year that is for sure. All the rest we have to see.”

Can is hedging his bets I'd say.

Luis21

We need a keeper. We havent had a decent keeper since Reina (who had gotten so bad he had to go)
We need a centre half because Lovern isnt good enough but he knows he'll be picked ahead of Klaven.
We need a defensive midfielder, a good one, someone with experience.
We need a new captain, Henderson doesnt motivate anyone, he was God awful on Saturday. At 3-2 a proper captain would have driven the team.
We need to look to someone apart from Clyne at right full, he offers little going forward and cant head a ball.

My belief is Klopp isnt being given a "warchest". At Dortmund he brought in 8 and got rid of 8 players during most windows. Hardly the same at Liverpool is it ? FSG arent spending the TV money like other clubs, then what are they doing ?

Oranage2

NukaCola wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

A little, but I'm no expert.

Fair enough, I think its a discussion for a different thread though, I know someone brought up the deal with Tibet water and LFC and there was some concern about the deal. Maybe they would like to continue their point, I think I'll stay out of it at the risk of bringing the thread OT.

Fair enough, but are the jerseys made in China? And I'm sure there are many other deals Liverpool have with Chinese companies. I'll leave it too, football and politics don't mix when you view football as entertainment.

Good chat, Nuka, good points.

Oranage2

NukaCola wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

A little, but I'm no expert.

Fair enough, I think its a discussion for a different thread though, I know someone brought up the deal with Tibet water and LFC and there was some concern about the deal. Maybe they would like to continue their point, I think I'll stay out of it at the risk of bringing the thread OT.

Fair enough, but are the jerseys made in China? And I'm sure there are many other deals Liverpool have with Chinese companies. I'll leave it too, football and politics don't mix when you view football as entertainment.

Good chat, Nuka, good points.

brevity

Luis21 wrote: »

We need a keeper. We havent had a decent keeper since Reina (who had gotten so bad he had to go)
We need a centre half because Lovern isnt good enough but he knows he'll be picked ahead of Klaven.
We need a defensive midfielder, a good one, someone with experience.
We need a new captain, Henderson doesnt motivate anyone, he was God awful on Saturday. At 3-2 a proper captain would have driven the team.
We need to look to someone apart from Clyne at right full, he offers little going forward and cant head a ball.

My belief is Klopp isnt being given a "warchest". At Dortmund he brought in 8 and got rid of 8 players during most windows. Hardly the same at Liverpool is it ? FSG arent spending the TV money like other clubs, then what are they doing ?

I agree with you that we need all those players and probably more, but I don't think it's FSG, I think it's Klopp.

Mr.H

One_Of_Shanks wrote:

That's harsh. He might sign the contract yet!

But if he does sign, the post takes another meaning.......

Mr.H

Oranage2 wrote:

Good chat, Nuka, good points.

He made no points. He distanced himself from the debate.... don't kiss his ass. He hates you...... argue with him

brevity

https://twitter.com/_SamAlex/status/896799463376904193

Luis21

brevity wrote: »

I agree with you that we need all those players and probably more, but I don't think it's FSG, I think it's Klopp.

But why ? he didnt do it at Dortmund and was successful, why do it now ? I reckon we have to sell before we buy. Forget about winning the league that way. (Except Leicester)

Oranage2

Mr.H wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote:

Good chat, Nuka, good points.

He made no points. He distanced himself from the debate.... don't kiss his ass. He hates you...... argue with him

Haha, I'm just here to talk football, Firminho got me a rake of points in fantasy, watching liverpool play makes me happy, almost like my second team.

Turtyturd

For those who think we have to sell to buy, what's the logic behind the Keita/Van Dijk bids/interest?


We'd have sold Coutinho anyway to balance the books?

Sappy404

Luis21 wrote: »

But why ? he didnt do it at Dortmund and was successful, why do it now ? I reckon we have to sell before we buy. Forget about winning the league that way. (Except Leicester)

Klopp has taken responsibility for the decision to pursue only the top targets. He has explicitly said it's up to him. Meanwhile, FSG have given him £35m+ for Salah, at least £68m for Keita and were happy for him to court a £60m+ defender; now they've turned down almost £100m for Coutinho. How in the name of jaysus is that 'sell-to-buy'?

Klopp can do no wrong in so many people's eyes.

Iused2likebusts

Looks like zaha is out of the weekends game.

Dickerty

Sappy404 wrote: »

Klopp has taken responsibility for the decision to pursue only the top targets. He has explicitly said it's up to him. Meanwhile, FSG have given him £35m+ for Salah, at least £68m for Keita and were happy for him to court a £60m+ defender; now they've turned down almost £100m for Coutinho. How in the name of jaysus is that 'sell-to-buy'?

Klopp can do no wrong in so many people's eyes.

Yes, and it's not as if these are deal-breaking issues, but they are his responsibility. Not having Plan B players he'd sign, subs at the weekend, how he is handling Coutinho and Can. But he has chances in the next 2 weeks to fix some of that...

citytillidie

Current spend this transfer window in millions of pounds

Man C 216.45
Man U 147.96
Chelsea 126
Everton 88.20
Leicester 52.83
Watford 51.75
Arsenal 47.70
Liverpool 45.90
West Ham 40.86
Huddersfield 38.79
Newcastle 33.12
Bournemouth 30.87
Brighton 26.10
Southampton 20.70
WBA 19.71
Swansea 11.25
Burnley 11.02
Palace 8.10
Stoke 6.93
Spurs 0

gimli2112

Could be how the final table shapes up, although I do see Spurs finishing ahead of Stoke.

NukaCola

Mr.H wrote: »

He hates you...... argue with him

:pac: I dont hate anyone here, for a start I know no-one here really and it would be weird to hate someone for their opinions on football.

Luis21

Owners never made an offer for VVD. Ok they offered big money for Keita but lets face it Barca were always going to come in for Phil. The owners knew this. How often do they balance the books or profit in windows ? More than most !

Not seemingly having any targets apart ftom VVD and Keita says it all about the lack of scouting by Liverpool. The likes of Juve have 4 players for each position scouted for every window. Liverpool sentd a bloke towards mainland Europe and he just stops off in Southampton ....

NukaCola

Also, you may disagree with Oranage, but he is absolutely right about at least one thing, I make good points.....

NukaCola

Sappy404 wrote: »

Klopp can do no wrong in so many people's eyes.

He's ****ed this transfer window right up. Still time to turn it around though.

Sappy404

Luis21 wrote: »

Owners never made an offer for VVD. Ok they offered big money for Keita but lets face it Barca were always going to come in for Phil. The owners knew this. How often do they balance the books or profit in windows ? More than most !

Not seemingly having any targets apart ftom VVD and Keita says it all about the lack of scouting by Liverpool. The likes of Juve have 4 players for each position scouted for every window. Liverpool sentd a bloke towards mainland Europe and he just stops off in Southampton ....

FSG knew PSG were going to buy Neymar without Barca's consent? Some claim. Because there is no way in hell Barca could have afforded a €100m+ bid this summer until Neymar was sold.

We don't have a properly functional scouting network for senior players, that's true. But when your manager gets the team into the Champions League and raises his standards so high that only one player for each position is considered, what difference does it make?

Agent Coulson

Spurs have just had a £25m bid for 17 year old Sessegnon turned down.


Seriously trying to buy any player in this market is a fool's errand really.

dogbert27

I think the tables should be turned on Barcelona with say Dortmund and Liverpool's local papers saying that the clubs will sign Barcelona players.

Allegedly the player would like to move.
A thought of 50 million euro would secure the player.
Sources say Barcelona will accept a 60 million euro bid.
Reports say the player does not want to upset Barcelona.
Barcelona say the player is not for sale but it is believed a bid of 60 million euro will secure the player.

Repeat these headlines everyday and see how Barcelona like it!

brevity

One of their youth players, Samper, he's highly rated, has apparently been told that he is not going to feature in the first team.

Might be worth inquiring about him. There is another guy, Sergi Roberto who is supposed to be good as well.

Umaro

Every player in La Liga has a release clause, its one of the rules of that league. All Liverpool would have to do is start activating them and then Barcelona would be forced to give out new contracts and pay rises. Would be a really dirty way to fight back.

5starpool

Game tonight will probably finish 5-4 or something. Hoffenheim are set piece specialists apparently, which is lovely.

ush

Umaro wrote: »

Every player in La Liga has a release clause, its one of the rules of that league. All Liverpool would have to do is start activating them and then Barcelona would be forced to give out new contracts and pay rises. Would be a really dirty way to fight back.

I'm not sure that the players would a) appreciate being linked with Liverpool b) consider it a strong negotiating position.   Empty threats aren't gonna scare Barcelona.

dogbert27

ush wrote: »

I'm not sure that the players would a) appreciate being linked with Liverpool b) consider it a strong negotiating position.   Empty threats aren't gonna scare Barcelona.

The point is not really to get any of their players or scare them but for them to experience the annoyance and frustration of trying to prepare for a season when the tabloids are linking their players to all clubs around Europe. The players considering whether it might be a good move for them or not (look at Neymar's wages!). Their fans getting nervous and venting frustration to radio shows, twitter and forums.

Man City could activate Buequets release clause of 152 mill. I reckon there are a number of Barcelona players that would still like to work with Pep.

Luis21

Couldnt care less about Barcelona. Klopp/FSG are making a bags of the transfer window. They didnt buy in January when they should have and now look even more inept.

Lose to nil tonight and the pressure is huge.

dogbert27

dogbert27 wrote: »

I think the tables should be turned on Barcelona with say Dortmund and Liverpool's local papers saying that the clubs will sign Barcelona players.

Allegedly the player would like to move.
A thought of 50 million euro would secure the player.
Sources say Barcelona will accept a 60 million euro bid.
Reports say the player does not want to upset Barcelona.
Barcelona say the player is not for sale but it is believed a bid of 60 million euro will secure the player.

Repeat these headlines everyday and see how Barcelona like it

I'd imagine they couldn't care less as very few of their players would move to Liverpool.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Fair enough, but are the jerseys made in China? And I'm sure there are many other deals Liverpool have with Chinese companies. I'll leave it too, football and politics don't mix when you view football as entertainment.

Good chat, Nuka, good points.

Dunno, but NB have a shoe/runner factory in the UK, they employ loads of shoemakers in relatively well paid jobs.

Saw a documentary on it recently.

dogbert27

Luis21 wrote: »

Couldnt care less about Barcelona. Klopp/FSG are making a bags of the transfer window. They didnt buy in January when they should have and now look even more inept.

Lose to nil tonight and the pressure is huge.

I think losing 1-0 or leaving with a 0-0 draw and the pressure will be huge.

We should not be drawing or losing this game tonight.

Although saying that our record away in Europe with Klopp is:

Rubin Kazan 1-0 Win
Sion 0-0
Augsberg 0-0
Man United 1-1
Dortmund 1-1
Villareal 1-0 Loss

So yeah actually a draw is the most likely result!

corwill

Umaro wrote: »

Every player in La Liga has a release clause, its one of the rules of that league. All Liverpool would have to do is start activating them and then Barcelona would be forced to give out new contracts and pay rises. Would be a really dirty way to fight back.

I think I remember reading that the entire transfer fee needs to be lodged with La Liga to actually activate. Very expensive way of leaving burning turds on a neighbour's doorstep.

gafferino

5starpool wrote: »

Game tonight will probably finish 5-4 or something. Hoffenheim are set piece specialists apparently, which is lovely.

dogbert27

corwill wrote: »

I think I remember reading that the entire transfer fee needs to be lodged with La Liga to actually activate. Very expensive way of leaving burning turds on a neighbour's doorstep.

ush

dogbert27 wrote: »

ush wrote: »

I'm not sure that the players would a) appreciate being linked with Liverpool b) consider it a strong negotiating position.   Empty threats aren't gonna scare Barcelona.

The point is not really to get any of their players or scare them but for them to experience the annoyance and frustration of trying to prepare for a season when the tabloids are linking their players to all clubs around Europe. The players considering whether it might be a good move for them or not (look at Neymar's wages!). Their fans getting nervous and venting frustration to radio shows, twitter and forums.

Man City could activate Buequets release clause of 152 mill. I reckon there are a number of Barcelona players that would still like to work with Pep.

Don't think bids from Liverpool are gonna upset any Barca fans or unsettle any of their players. They are all too aware of where both clubs stand in the pecking order. Besides, if Liverpool were to waste their energy on petty nonsense like that, they'd have a harder time being taken seriously by potential signings.

Agent Coulson

Barca bully us we bully Southampton that's how it works.

One_Of_Shanks

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Barca bully us we bully Southampton that's how it works.

Not even! Now it seems to be Barca bully us and Southampton tell us to piss off

dogbert27

Agent Coulson

Ojo off to Fulham on loan.


Laying the groundwork for getting a deal next summer on Sessegnon I wonder.

corwill

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ojo off to Fulham on loan.


Laying the groundwork for getting a deal next summer on Sessegnon I wonder.

Gives us loads of time to properly draft a top class apology.

BorneTobyWilde

Southampton are being silly. We've wanted VVD very early in transfer window, and every other club is talking to players that are not theirs, Southampton are no Saints , or are they. Anyway we done little wrong and we were willing to pay a hefty fee for a player they paid much less for, a player that actually has wanted to leave before we showed an interest.
It's very different than an arrogant Barca who on the eve of a new season are tapping up and instructing our best player to paint a picture of unhappiness at Liverpool when the opposite is true. We've built a team around him and had high hopes for his new midfield role, and they think they can come along, and not just take our player but ruin our whole preparation and strategy for new season. We need Coutinho for another few months, not a year, not two, a few more months.

not yet

Naby is back on folks..

Luis21

not yet wrote: »

Naby is back on folks..

Yeah next season.

No use right now is it.

Agent Coulson

corwill wrote: »

Gives us loads of time to properly draft a top class apology.

Ojo in his ear all season saying sign for Liverpool would that be tapping up now that they are teammates?

5starpool

not yet wrote: »

Naby is back on folks..

Hardly. I assume you are going off the new Rangnick stuff where he says it would be pointless for them to sell him this summer given that they won't be able to do a lot with what they'll get compared to what they'll get next summer?

Benzino

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Southampton are being silly. We've wanted VVD very early in transfer window, and every other club is talking to players that are not theirs, Southampton are no Saints , or are they. Anyway we done little wrong and we were willing to pay a hefty fee for a player they paid much less for, a player that actually has wanted to leave before we showed an interest.

No they are not being silly. We didn't even put in a bid for him, at least Barca have. It was ridiculous of Klopp to meet VVD also, complete lack of respect shown.

Plus, VVD would be the sixth player we sign from Southampton (if it happens), in as many years. They have every right to tell us where to go, we'd be asking the club to do the same thing if Barca came knocking for a player every summer.