(Aug 17) NEW Interdepartmental HEO comp (Serving civil servants only)

cicimc

Red Wolf wrote: »

The PDF has restricted editing enabled. You cannot delete fields. You will need to start a new form if you want to keep it looking clean.

This isn't the same with the Education part of it though or am I wrong. The form starts off with 4 boxes. Unfortunately I don't have enough to fill in all the 4 boxes of that page!! Knew I should have studied more!!

Red Wolf

cicimc wrote: »

This isn't the same with the Education part of it though or am I wrong. The form starts off with 4 boxes. Unfortunately I don't have enough to fill in all the 4 boxes of that page!! Knew I should have studied more!!

You can't delete the education boxes either as they are also part of the restricted editing/formating.

Idjit

Submitted mine. I'm a serving CO with some management experience. Never applied for HEO before so worse case scenerio I'll get experience of the application process!

gerrybbadd

Jade182 wrote: »

Submitted mine. I'm a serving CO with some management experience. Never applied for HEO before so worse case scenerio I'll get experience of the application process!

Good luck. I've heard and know of COs being promoted to HEO, so it's not impossible. If you have management experience, you will have a big plus going for you straight away

Idjit

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Good luck. I've heard and know of COs being promoted to HEO, so it's not impossible. If you have management experience, you will have a big plus going for you straight away

Thank you, a colleague of mine went from CO to EO to HEO in the course of a few months because she got on both panels.
I'm hoping the same thing happens to me because I'm currently on the EO panel too!

podge018

Somebody mentioned it above, but nobody replied. The form asks you to "please try not to exceed the space provided in the boxes". I'm guessing you might fit about 150 words into those boxes. Surely that's not enough?

Has everybody else gone a lot bigger?

yabadabado

You don't need to put a lot in those boxs they only use the application as a guide in my experience.Done interviews before when they didn't mention anything from the form bar the work experience/education.
It still all boils down to the 6 competencies and how you answer the questions on them.

PopTarts

The Board will just use the form as a guide. At the end of the day it's how you answer the questions on competencies on the day. You get no marks for what's on the form.

Addle

So much fuss gone into these forms when so many applicants won't get past the 1st stage phase.

Why do PAS look for them at this early stage?

BandMember

Addle wrote: »

So much fuss gone into these forms when so many applicants won't get past the 1st stage phase.

Why do PAS look for them at this early stage?

To weed out the timewasters who have no interest in accepting a post if they get it and the people who do not qualify and are only doing the exams to practice for future posts, along with other "speculators" (shall we say).

By making people jump through hoops at the start by putting time and effort into the application form, you are weeding out the genuine candidates from the rest - which works out better for everyone as it means that there are less people applying, less people waiting on interviews, panels etc.

Addle

What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.

BandMember

Addle wrote: »

What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.

Oh, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it - sure I've done it myself! However, I think PAS are now taking the line that if you waste their time, then they will waste yours.... With the amount of competitions and candidates they are attracting since the end of the moratorium, I reckon they're just trying to weed out the real/genuine ones as opposed to the "ah sure, I'll give it a lash" ones, you know?

However, as you say, those forms are never looked at (even in the interview), so don't waste too much of your time on them. The best thing is just do one good one, save it on your computer and then just copy and paste. Sure they're all pretty much the same anyway....

PopTarts

For examples you give do they have to be specific to a situation or can they be general in the sense of managing a scheme / project.

For Interpersonal / Communication can this be on the lines of dealing with public everyday and how you provide a great service or more along the lines of how you provided excellent customer service in one situation in particular.

eimaj18

PopTarts wrote: »

For examples you give do they have to be specific to a situation or can they be general in the sense of managing a scheme / project.

For Interpersonal / Communication can this be on the lines of dealing with public everyday and how you provide a great service or more along the lines of how you provided excellent customer service in one situation in particular.

The can be general, but for the interview, it might be wise to narrow it down to one or two examples. They will probably ask things like what would you do if so and so happened. The golden rule is "I" - what did I do. I'm writing mine at the mo, and it's so hard to talk yourself up!! Best of luck

MaisieMoo

Addle wrote: »

What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.

To be honest, it stops people doing the tests a few times using friends/ relative's ppsns. I know this happened in the past when you didn't have to fill in the form until after you got the results of the online tests.

Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?

gmisk

Littlefinger wrote: »

Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?

I think its more of a stick it in if you know it....a bit like trying to remember the full address where you lived at when you went to uni in 2004.

The fact you are meant to "estimate the proportion of credit you can claim for the outcome" is the real bizarre one to me....

Red Wolf

Littlefinger wrote: »

Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?

I just left it out.

gmisk

The form is junk btw. I cant get it to save date in the declaration section.

sinorita

Disaster of a form. Painful having to keep moving up a blank employment table for every job held

eimaj18

What time is the closing time today?

gmisk

eimaj77 wrote: »

What time is the closing time today?

3pm

eimaj18

gmisk wrote: »

eimaj77 wrote: »

What time is the closing time today?

3pm

Thanks a mil, I had 12pm in my head for some reason.

gmisk

Just looking at it again....I am an AO currently....so dont even think I can apply....oh well...at least my form filled in for the next AP!

ryan1305

gmisk wrote: »

Just looking at it again....I am an AO currently....so dont even think I can apply....oh well...at least my form filled in for the next AP!

Why couldn't you apply?

Red Wolf

ryan1305 wrote: »

Why couldn't you apply?

They are at an equivalent grade pay wise and thus precluded

ryan1305

Red Wolf wrote: »

They are at an equivalent grade pay wise and thus precluded

No they aren't, AO is a lower starting scale

Riskymove

ryan1305 wrote: »

No they aren't, AO is a lower starting scale

AOs are not eligible

Grades equivalent to the Higher Executive Officer grade (i.e. have the same maximum pay scale or higher) are not eligible to compete in this promotion competition.

gmisk

Yes I rang PAS and they said as the pay scales go to same amount in the end they are equivalent....seems odd to me tbh but hey...only been an AO about 1 1/2 years so need to really apply for APs.

ryan1305

I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that

gmisk

ryan1305 wrote: »

I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that

I rang PAS and they confirmed I couldnt apply as I am AO, but if you get a different answer please let me know

Red Wolf

ryan1305 wrote: »

I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that

It clearly states that

Grades equivalent to the Higher Executive Officer grade (i.e. have the same maximum pay scale or higher) are not eligible to compete in this promotion competition.

Both the AO and HEO standard scale top out at €59,294

gmisk

ryan1305 wrote: »

I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that

Oh and congrats on the AO
I suppose its the same money only you dont have to manage anyone so it isnt all bad!

Bubbles75

Just wondering where you're seeing the circular this competition. I cant see it on any of the application pages??

ryan1305

gmisk wrote: »

Oh and congrats on the AO
I suppose its the same money only you dont have to manage anyone so it isnt all bad!

Thank you very much it ends on the same pay point, but significant difference to start. I just wish I had realised it before I had done the whole application ha

Red Wolf

Bubbles75 wrote: »

Just wondering where you're seeing the circular this competition. I cant see it on any of the application pages??

It was sent around Departments. If you search for the following duplicate thread it was attached to the first post


"Brand New 2017 Interdepartmental HEO Competition Called"

Bubbles75

Aglomerado wrote: »

shl.com is good for practice.

do you need to buy the assessments off this site?

Dunjam

"Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com

Aglomerado

Dunjam wrote: »

"Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com

They are free. You just sign up with an email address, as often as you like.

Jobtestprep co.uk are good too and have the cut-e format but I think you need to pay for those.

eimaj18

Aglomerado wrote: »

Dunjam wrote: »

"Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com

They are free. You just sign up with an email address, as often as you like.

Jobtestprep co.uk are good too and have the cut-e format but I think you need to pay for those.

Hopefully they'll be cut e again! They were great. The question style suited me much better. I was hoping that cut e was now the provider for PAS but then I did the EO and that was back to SHL.

Optiplexy99

Email from public jobs received now - Assessment Tests to be received on Sept 14th & have to be completed by Sept 19th....

May get practising!!

sinorita

Optiplexy99 wrote:

Email from public jobs received now - Assessment Tests to be received on Sept 14th & have to be completed by Sept 19th....

Seems they're calling regional candidates aswell to do the tests

Kanovara

ONE practice question for the management scenario!

eimaj18

Optiplexy99 wrote: »

Email from public jobs received now - Assessment Tests to be received on Sept 14th & have to be completed by Sept 19th....

May get practising!!

I can't get in to the message now. Anyone know what company the tests are?

Optiplexy99

eimaj77 wrote: »

I can't get in to the message now. Anyone know what company the tests are?

http://practicesite-pas.cut-e.com/

gerrybbadd

Kanovara wrote: »

ONE practice question for the management scenario!

Is the management scenario being used this time? They only ever provide that one example.

Kanovara

What is the thinking behind the mgt scenarios? How are we supposed to practice? Anyone any ideas ?

Red Wolf

Kanovara wrote: »

What is the thinking behind the mgt scenarios? How are we supposed to practice? Anyone any ideas ?

Your not supposed to be able to practice these. You are meant to answer truthfully on the day as to what you would do in the scenarios. You only get one go at it as it isn't used again in the supervised tests. Its a very subjective test with no recourse. You could probably argue a lot of the answers are correct. It is simply a blunt tool to cull numbers

carnie

I'm trying to decide whether or not to get the practice test from jobtestprep but I'm not sure I'm too bothered shelling out 30/40 quid for it.

I take it that the job scenario and verbal are the only tests that go towards our final score?

billyhead

Folks, Just a query on the application form but did anyone else struggle to keep the details for the competencies and summary etc under 300 words and if you go over does this go against you?