ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Widdershins

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Indeed. Apparently people were flooding Twitter with cat photos so images of the Barcelona attack wouldn't be seen and enjoyed by the attackers. Too many people think they are making a difference and that we are somehow "winning" by carrying on as normal, tweeting "thoughts and prayers", using clever hashtags (#nothingtodowithislam, #thingsthatleavelondonreeling #refugeeswelcome #lovetrumpshate), getting a temporary filtered FB profile pic etc. whilst real people continue to be killed and maimed with alarming regularity. The people who are intent on bringing death and destruction to Europe must be laughing at how pathetic it all is and how easy it is for them to attack again as a result.

Pointless empty gestures. This is not a war on our feelings or our self confidence.

Samaris

Widdershins wrote: »

Pointless empty gestures. This is not a war on our feelings or our self confidence.

Whatever about whether or not I agree with how they were going about it (undecided), that ..actually absolutely is what it is. That is what terrorist campaigns are - to cause terror to force people to their will.

Widdershins

Samaris wrote: »

Whatever about whether or not I agree with how they were going about it (undecided), that ..actually absolutely is what it is. That is what terrorist campaigns are - to cause terror to force people to their will.

Their aim is to kill, maim and conquer. To say they ''win'' if the public are scared suggests that people think that is their goal, but killing, maiming and conquering is their goal, not frightening people. Safety, staying alive, preventing more mass murder, and sending the message that it needs to stop is vital, and it's not being achieving by sad little - well meaning- attempts at defiance and sing songs and holding hands and lighting tea lights. They aren't trying to make us bargain or talk to them, this is not the IRA. What terrorist groups like the IRA want and how we respond to that does not apply here.

timthumbni

We (Western Europe) have to admit we have become soft and flabby.

The snowflake fear of offending people has left us lying like a flaccid drunk at a bordello.

We need to wise the **** up and very quickly...,

AlekSmart

Widdershins wrote: »

Every person they slaughter is a success in their mind. That's their idea of success. To kill as many as they can. They don't take peoples caution as a score. And pretending everything ok is nonsense. It's unnatural. Also I find it disrespectful to be socialising at the site of recent mass slaughter.

I certainly don't see disrespect in any of it.

I see a culture,admittedly far more exhuberant than our own,doing what it does best.

I can remember witnessing a Funeral in Italy some years back,and being shocked at the attendees braaking into applause and whistles as the coffin left the Church,with the deceased's relatives being clasped and cheek-kissed by other mourners.

I was gobsmacked,as was my missus,but now many years later I see it as the expressive nature of the region being given full freedom,a freedom I have often since wished we had at our own Funeral proceedings.

Living a normal life,but using the knowledge of the levels to which Radical Islam will sink to impose it's dictats on Infidels,can only inspire a heightened degree of awareness and vigilance amongst us all...That,above all else,will serve to frustrate more of these attacks,certainly more that barricading our fearful,shaking selves in our houses will ever do.

FrancieBrady

conorhal wrote: »

You seem to be baffled by the fact that the guards had 70 people on a watch list as possible islamist terrorists? Despite a couple of those on that list being arrested for terror related offenses, and one participating in a terrorist attack in London this year?
I'm also baffled by the reflexive response of some, to having genuine terrorists in their midst, be a glib ' but the Indo eh? amirite?'

Its an article which doesn't even bother to quote a garda. So it is the opinion of Tom Brady.
The Into is synonymous with sensationalism around this subject matter.

AlekSmart

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Its an article which doesn't even bother to quote a garda. So it is the opinion of Tom Brady.
The Into is synonymous with sensationalism around this subject matter.

So....is there anybody on this watch-list ?

Do our authorities have the interest to maintain one ?

What would a "sensational" figure be...or more pertinently,what number would you accept as meh...that's grand ?

FraR

In the German newspaper FAZ Kyai Haji Yahya Cholil Staquf, the General secretary of the largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, gave several statements about the connection between Islam and terrorism:

The West has to stop labelling criticism of the religious basis of extremism as Islamophobe. There is a clear connection between fundamentalism, terror and the basic assumptions of Islamic orthodoxy.

Three centres of concerns: relationship of Muslims to non-Muslim, relation to state and to law
classically: relationship of Muslims to non-Muslim is of segregation and hostility. Today this is unreasonable and makes a peaceful cohabit in a multicultural and multi-religious society in the 21. century tendentiously impossible.

In Islamic tradition the concept of the state is a universal, unified state for all Muslims with a single ruler at the top, which unifies the Muslim world against the non-Muslim world.

Many Muslims believe that there are several unchangeable Islamic laws, also known as sharia. It has to be very clear that the laws of the state are above these religious laws.

suicide_circus

^^^^ this stuff won't stop until islam has a serious reformation. There is a fundamental problem with compatability with modern western society. I'll go all caps so there is no doubt: THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH ORDINARY MUSLIMS BUT WITH SOME ISLAMIC DOCTRINE. And since the koran is the literal and unalterable word of God, it does not allow for ammendments or reformations.

Most religions become problematic once you start taking them literally (see all human history) and unfortunately that's what's happening within islam right now.

conorhal

Samaris wrote: »

I wouldn't doubt too much regarding home-grown. A lot of them are, so that does make things awkward. There may also be small fry being tracked to get at bigger fish for many of the likely suspects. Whack-a-mole is one option, but without cutting the head off the cells, it's like weeding dandelions by pulling off the flowers rather than getting at the roots. Sure, it'll make them less visible (and may well take out a few who would actually commit an attack), but it leaves the roots free to keep infesting.

Deport them and then you deal with the roots, your post perfectly characterizes the establishment paralysis on the issue, no but's, ifs or whatabouts, act, just boot them.
A very small number would be second generation, very few will have been born here so get them out. Then go deal with the rest of the problem. I get so frustrated with the 'well, there's nothing we can do really attitude', what the politicians are really saying is that there's nothing we want to do least we seem a wee bit racist and so we're more comfortable doing nothing at all.
We need to deal with this problem now before it grows. The fiddling while Rome burns needs to stop, the hand wringing needs to stop and the odd inertia regards addressing the problem needs to end because 'we told you so' will be cold comfort on the day you loose a family member that was ambling up Grafton St. at the wrong time.

Nabber

'Lone wolf' attacks.....
The main stream media are wannkers.
Lone wolf, when there is 2 or more is not lone wolf. The chances of 2 attacks in the same area on the same day by different people also suggest that this is far from lone wolf attacks.

Call it what it is, planned terrorism motivated by ISLAM.....

ChikiChiki

Snake Plisken wrote: »

According to the Indo there are over 70 on the Jihadi sympathisers watchlist, it was only thought to be 30 or 40 before but the list has grown! These are scum who are communicating and providing logistical support with suspected terror activists in Europe.

If your on a watchlist and identified as being a sympathiser then there must be a zero tolerance approach and deportation or incarceration must follow. Its as simple as that.

Widdershins

AlekSmart wrote: »

I certainly don't see disrespect in any of it.

I see a culture,admittedly far more exhuberant than our own,doing what it does best.

I can remember witnessing a Funeral in Italy some years back,and being shocked at the attendees braaking into applause and whistles as the coffin left the Church,with the deceased's relatives being clasped and cheek-kissed by other mourners.

I was gobsmacked,as was my missus,but now many years later I see it as the expressive nature of the region being given full freedom,a freedom I have often since wished we had at our own Funeral proceedings.

Living a normal life,but using the knowledge of the levels to which Radical Islam will sink to impose it's dictats on Infidels,can only inspire a heightened degree of awareness and vigilance amongst us all...That,above all else,will serve to frustrate more of these attacks,certainly more that barricading our fearful,shaking selves in our houses will ever do.

You're talking about a completely different thing. You're talking about celebrating the person's life and being joyful at their 'send off', that's a personal thing by friends and family who attend. I'm talking about strangers partying on the ground where people were murdered the day before. They don't acknowledge the dead in any way unlike in your example. Other than a quick ''thank god that wasn't me'' of course.

Since when was there only two choices-pretend nobody was slaughtered and we're all oblivious with our drinkies and jesus-loves-me-smiles, or barricade yourself inside, shaking. That's a bit ridiculous. People need to make a stand, not turn the other cheek and pretend nothing is happening. And that won't suit ISIS one bit.

Sofiztikated

Widdershins wrote: »

You're talking about a completely different thing. You're talking about celebrating the person's life and being joyful at their 'send off', that's a personal thing by friends and family who attend. I'm talking about strangers partying on the ground where people were murdered the day before. They don't acknowledge the dead in any way unlike in your example. Other than a quick ''thank god that wasn't me'' of course.

Since when was there only two choices-pretend nobody was slaughtered and we're all oblivious with our drinkies and jesus-loves-me-smiles, or barricade yourself inside, shaking. That's a bit ridiculous. People need to make a stand, not turn the other cheek and pretend nothing is happening. And that won't suit ISIS one bit.

While I agree in theory and to a certain extent, it depends what you view as a stand. If it means riot in the streets, marching through neighbourhoods, castigating anyone who has the audacity to look or sound Muslim, and hound everyone for the crimes of the few, then no.

Omackeral

tomwaterford wrote: »

Well that's a charming taught to start the morning


Them lads what were killed (and rightly so) still have families and whatnot....let them bury their dead

Still chuckling to myself at this post and the oh so right-on person who thanked this apologist bunkum. Apologist behaviour. If my brother went out and mowed innocent people down as they shopped over a poxy religion, I'd disown him in a heartbeat and couldn't give a rats what they did with the carcass.

end of the road

Nabber wrote: »

'Lone wolf' attacks.....
The main stream media are wannkers.
Lone wolf, when there is 2 or more is not lone wolf. The chances of 2 attacks in the same area on the same day by different people also suggest that this is far from lone wolf attacks.

Call it what it is, planned terrorism motivated by ISLAM.....

that's what they have called it and similar attacks caried out by multiple people. however if an attack is caried out by 1 person then that is a lone wolf attack, so you will have to except the terminology.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

If your on a watchlist and identified as being a sympathiser then there must be a zero tolerance approach and deportation or incarceration must follow. Its as simple as that.

can't be done unless there is enough evidence to put them on trial. once that happens then those options are open and have been caried out all ready.

FrancieBrady

AlekSmart wrote: »

What would a "sensational" figure be...or more pertinently,what number would you accept as meh...that's grand ?

I don't know what a figure would be...I could make one up too though if you'd like?
I just made the point that I would not trust the Indo on anything to do with this unless they are directly quoting someone. Notorious for inventing stuff and then attributing it to 'sources' unknown.

I think, by the way, that it is the only way to prevent these attacks. To resource the security forces properly.

Omackeral

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No they don't deserve to be attacked by scumbags who follow a cruel version of their religion, but lets be real here. There was no Isis, in Saddam time. We played a big part in this and allowing groups like this to grow and spread.

Nah, I didn't. Neither have any of my family, friends, neighbours, acquaintances or colleagues. So less of the we business. Idiotic tripe.

Omackeral

timthumbni wrote: »

The Spanish policeman and his mates today shot and killed 5 Islamic terrorists saving many, many innocent lives.

You trivialise this as if it's part of the normal 'bobby/Garda on the beat' part of a policemans normal day. This wasn't normal. I'm sure if they had saved your life as you and your family were nearby you would have the same attitude.

........ or maybe not.

end of the road wrote: »

i would have the same attitude yes. a policeman's job is to protect the public.

You do know that it's ok to say ''Job well done'' and give a pat on the back? You know people get medals for bravery and courage for actions such as these? It's ok to show gratitude and appreciation to those who snuffed out these vile cowardly f*ckpigs. It's because they are heroes. My father worked as a firefighter for 30 years and saved umpteen lives. Yes they get paid... but they get paid an ordinary wage for an extraordinary job. They're to be admired in times of crisis and there's no issue from most decent people in expressing that.

Widdershins

Sofiztikated wrote: »

While I agree in theory and to a certain extent, it depends what you view as a stand. If it means riot in the streets, marching through neighbourhoods, castigating anyone who has the audacity to look or sound Muslim, and hound everyone for the crimes of the few, then no.

What is it with Boards and extreme assumptions?

I said for a start people need to acknowledge and admit that this is not ok, instead of giving out the message that we'll light a few tealights in solidarity just carry on.
On another thread today a poster said that the Irish government are reluctant to install barriers on busy streets and they'd rather spend the money on ''integrating'' people. Nobody has all the answers but they need to be doing whatever is in their power to prevent more attacks, and they need to be doing it yesterday.

Rumpy Pumpy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't know what a figure would be...I could make one up too though if you'd like?
I just made the point that I would not trust the Indo on anything to do with this unless they are directly quoting someone. Notorious for inventing stuff and then attributing it to 'sources' unknown.

I think, by the way, that it is the only way to prevent these attacks. To resource the security forces properly.

I'd agree. The special branch have always done an excellent job, but need to be properly resourced and funded.

jackofalltrades

McCrack wrote: »

Your friend is doing the right thing.

Terrorists will not succed so long as people continue normal day to day life.

The moment that stops the ***** have won

I find the "keep calm and carry on" attitude utterly baffling.
Being angry or hateful seems to be almost frowned up.
These are totally normal feelings and ones people should experience.
And whether people admit it or not normal day to day life has changed.

It's almost like "we" are in an abusive relationship and don't want to talk or do anything about it, just keep taking the hits and cover up the bruises.
We'd rather die in our hundreds, than risk offending one person by trying to come up with a solution.

Sofiztikated

Normal day to day life hasn't changed, don't be so absurd.

For the majority of people, even after a disaster, life just carries on as normal.

jackofalltrades

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Normal day to day life hasn't changed, don't be so absurd.

Really you think heavily armed troops paroling European cities is perfectly normal?
What about cities in protracted states of emergency?
What about cancelling major sporting events?
What about telling the entire population of a city to stay indoors?
Do you think air travel has changed since 911?

RDM_83 again

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Normal day to day life hasn't changed, don't be so absurd.

For the majority of people, even after a disaster, life just carries on as normal.

Normal everyday life continued along in Northern Ireland everyday life always continues on look at London in the Blitz, normal everyday life went on and people took pride in that.
There is a massive difference though between continuing your life and the in fashion thing having some bland platitude about solidarity and ignoring how the world has changed.
It gets rather obvious as well when one looks at the response the same people have in relation to one dead American or a police shooting over there- when that happens it's all about direct opposition, the perpetrators and all associated fellow travellers must be tackled, we need to re-examine our society,the world has changed etc.
An order of magnitude more Europeans killed by Islamists, nearly every place of cultural significance having attempted attacks, what's the response-keep calm and carry on.

4068ac1elhodqr

The attack in Barca could actually have been much much worse, they discovered (by accident) x20 large canisters of Satan, according to the press.

Guessing they would have loaded them in the van if they were fully prepared, and set off when stopped, not sure what that translates to in old lbs or kgs, but would have been catastrophic in such a dense area. Thankfully they weren't able to utilise.

Snake Plisken

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Really you think heavily armed troops paroling European cities is perfectly normal?
What about cities in protracted states of emergency?
What about cancelling major sporting events?
What about telling the entire population of a city to stay indoors?
Do you think air travel has changed since 911?

Exactly! Islam eroding western freedoms since 2001! I will add to a list the extra security at airports and restrictions on flights! Extra security at concerts, sports events and any major large gathering of people.
I think the Chief Rabbi of Barcalona is right when he advised European Jews to move to Israel as Europe is lost because of the threat of Radical Islam!

Cian_ok

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Fighting a 'war' against an occupying force.

Campaign was carried out exclusively on the British Isles.

Catholicism wasn't as a driving factor, they were not trying to spread a religious agenda across the globe.

One did not even have to be a Catholic or religious to be involved.

Context. For the 3rd time. I'm not equating ISIS to IRA. But the reaction of the government to all Muslims/Irish. Namely internment. Mass deportations etc

BillyBobBS

Dilan Jolly Ant wrote: »

The attack in Barca could actually have been much much worse, they discovered (by accident) x20 large canisters of Satan, according to the press.

Guessing they would have loaded them in the van if they were fully prepared, and set off when stopped, not sure what that translates to in old lbs or kgs, but would have been catastrophic in such a dense area. Thankfully they weren't able to utilise.

Very lucky alright. Could have been talking about hundreds of dead instead of 14. One wonders how many more of these cells are operating within European borders though? The thing that's most frightening about these attacks is the fact these savages aren't battle hardened Muslims from Syria, Iraq etc.. but mostly European born and bred and just hate us because their religion tells them to.

I suppose it's just a matter of time before they take the battle to us here in Ireland. One can just hope their bomb making abilities are akin to the backward mongrel that died in the house explosion on Wednesday

Richard Hillman

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Very lucky alright. Could have been talking about hundreds of dead instead of 14. One wonders how many more of these cells are operating within European borders though? The thing that's most frightening about these attacks is the fact these savages aren't battle hardened Muslims from Syria, Iraq etc.. but mostly European born and bred and just hate us because their religion tells them to.

I suppose it's just a matter of time before they take the battle to us here in Ireland. One can just hope their bomb making abilities are akin to the backward mongrel that died in the house explosion on Wednesday

I reckon the guys coming home from Syria and Iraq are deemed too important to be directly active in the attacks. Most of these guys are now bomb makers and cell connectors for arms.

It also keeps the borders open when we get "homegrown" terrorists, who have never been to Iraq/Syria/Libya

end of the road

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Exactly! Islam eroding western freedoms since 2001! I will add to a list the extra security at airports and restrictions on flights! Extra security at concerts, sports events and any major large gathering of people.
I think the Chief Rabbi of Barcalona is right when he advised European Jews to move to Israel as Europe is lost because of the threat of Radical Islam!

well most european jews won't be taking that advice. they won't give up a democratic safe society for a state that may only treat them decently if they are of the right type of jew. it is vital they remain in europe as part of our cultural enrichment program.

4068ac1elhodqr

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Very lucky alright. Could have been talking about hundreds of dead instead of 14.

Surely hundreds, one of the Spanish papers says they intended to explode one van load of Satan in Las Ramblas, a second by the world-famous Sagrada Familia cathedral, and the last in the port area of the city.

Demolishing important European religious buildings would have been a new low.

The NYT reported they actually tried to hire much larger lorries but didn't have the right permit.

Snake Plisken

end of the road wrote: »

well most european jews won't be taking that advice. they won't give up a democratic safe society for a state that may only treat them decently if they are of the right type of jew. it is vital they remain in europe as part of our cultural enrichment program.

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything! I think I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you! Have you not forgot that thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists there are armed police guarding Jewish schools in France and other parts of Europe! I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

Nettle Soup

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists...

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

Ah would you ever listen to yourself. Priceless.

SafeSurfer

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists...

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

Ah would you ever listen to yourself. Priceless.

You don't exactly have a track record of being correct in this thread yourself.

Nettle Soup

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You don't exactly have a track record of being correct in this thread yourself.

Where was I incorrect?

SnakePlissken

Widdershins wrote: »

Sofiztikated wrote: »

While I agree in theory and to a certain extent, it depends what you view as a stand. If it means riot in the streets, marching through neighbourhoods, castigating anyone who has the audacity to look or sound Muslim, and hound everyone for the crimes of the few, then no.

What is it with Boards and extreme assumptions?

I said for a start people need to acknowledge and admit that this is not ok, instead of giving out the message that we'll light a few tealights in solidarity just carry on.
On another thread today a poster said that the Irish government are reluctant to install barriers on busy streets and they'd rather spend the money on ''integrating'' people. Nobody has all the answers but they need to be doing whatever is in their power to prevent more attacks, and they need to be doing it yesterday.

Not having a go at you Widdershins, but I can't but point out that on every thread involving Muslim terrorists or travellers, more than half the thread is bogged down by those who still respond to End of the Roads inane, moronic, disingenuous, contrary, and grammatical ludicrous contributions, if people were to stop responding to this fifty-year-old basement dwellers posts we adults could actually discuss the topic at hand in an intelligent manner.

end of the road

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything! I think I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you! Have you not forgot that thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists there are armed police guarding Jewish schools in France and other parts of Europe!

my beloved Muslim terrorists? i didn't know i liked muslim terrorists but there you go, you learn something new everyday.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

israel is not a very safe country unlike europe and is a huge funder and commiter of terrorism itself. most jews do not condone and support that country, just like most muslims hate saudi arabia among others.

Wheeliebin30

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything! I think I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you! Have you not forgot that thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists there are armed police guarding Jewish schools in France and other parts of Europe! I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

Sinn fein lad, Sinn fein.

SafeSurfer

end of the road wrote: »

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus your like that lad who used to be Saddams ministry of information Baghdad Bob with your constant Denials of everything! I think I believe the Rabbi in what he says over you! Have you not forgot that thanks to your beloved Muslim terrorists there are armed police guarding Jewish schools in France and other parts of Europe!

my beloved Muslim terrorists? i didn't know i liked muslim terrorists but there you go, you learn something new everyday.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I know if I was Jewish I'd be heading to Israel for th safety of my children!

israel is not a very safe country unlike europe and is a huge funder and commiter of terrorism itself. most jews do not condone and support that country, just like most muslims hate saudi arabia among others.

Do you have any evidence for saying that most Jews don't support the state of Israel?

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

i didn't know i liked muslim terrorists but there you go, you learn something new everyday.

You think they are deserving of a respectful and dignified burial after mowing down innocent children in the streets. F*ck them. Unmarked grave, pile them in on top of each other in the nip.

end of the road

Omackeral wrote: »

You think they are deserving of a respectful and dignified burial after mowing down innocent children in the streets.

do i? nope, i don't. just a burial or cremation.

Omackeral wrote: »

F*ck them. Unmarked grave, pile them in on top of each other in the nip.

fine if that's what the family decide.

Nettle Soup

I don't even know why I am posting this irrelevant information but anyway...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/barcelona-jews-reject-rabbis-predictions-of-doom-after-attack/

Barcelona Jews reject their rabbi’s predictions of doom after attack
We are a vibrant community and we will not leave our city, says spokesman after Chief Rabbi Meir Bar-Hen warns they have no future.
A spokesman for the Barcelona Jewish Community on Friday rejected predictions of doom from the local chief rabbi, vowing that the city’s Jews would not abandon the city in the wake of the deadly attack by Islamic terrorists.

Snake Plisken

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I don't even know why I am posting this irrelevant information but anyway...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/barcelona-jews-reject-rabbis-predictions-of-doom-after-attack/

And what about France?
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thelocal.fr/20170109/5000-more-jews-leave-france-for-israel/amp

ceadaoin.

end of the road wrote: »

my beloved Muslim terrorists? i didn't know i liked muslim terrorists but there you go, you learn something new everyday.



israel is not a very safe country unlike europe and is a huge funder and commiter of terrorism itself. most jews do not condone and support that country, just like most muslims hate saudi arabia among others.

Are you joking? You do realise that record numbers of Jewish people are leaving Europe to live in Israel, which is a very safe country and a popular tourist destination.

AlekSmart

Widdershins wrote: »

You're talking about a completely different thing. You're talking about celebrating the person's life and being joyful at their 'send off', that's a personal thing by friends and family who attend. I'm talking about strangers partying on the ground where people were murdered the day before. They don't acknowledge the dead in any way unlike in your example. Other than a quick ''thank god that wasn't me'' of course.

Since when was there only two choices-pretend nobody was slaughtered and we're all oblivious with our drinkies and jesus-loves-me-smiles, or barricade yourself inside, shaking. That's a bit ridiculous. People need to make a stand, not turn the other cheek and pretend nothing is happening. And that won't suit ISIS one bit.

I'm actually using two parallel threads of thought,not comparing one against the other.

Im not sure that you are suggesting that people are travelling to Las Ramblas simply to have it said they "partied" at the murder site (Which is actually over 500 Mtrs in length).

I would suggest that most people,both visitors and locals alike,are doing is simply being normal.

Perhaps most would see continuing with their normal lives as "making a stand",but I would certainly be slow to suggest anybody is turning the other cheek either.

Barcelona remains a large vibrant City,and I suggest it will remain thus,no matter what some ultra religious nutcases may wish to happen.

Our world is full of sites where innocents died,even Dublin has it's locations where normality swiftly returned after bombings and shootings.

It is the Human Condition to continue with life,against whatever odds are ranged against us,and long may it continue to do so !

Lucy8080

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Are you joking? You do realise that record numbers of Jewish people are leaving Europe to live in Israel, which is a very safe country and a popular tourist destination.

There is something ironic in this, those who are killing "in the name of Islam" seem to be strengthening Israel with every attack.

They also do nothing to convince your average Joe/Jane that there is anything worth pursuing in the Koran/Islamic faith.

AlekSmart

Omackeral wrote: »

Still chuckling to myself at this post and the oh so right-on person who thanked this apologist bunkum. Apologist behaviour. If my brother went out and mowed innocent people down as they shopped over a poxy religion, I'd disown him in a heartbeat and couldn't give a rats what they did with the carcass.

It's interesting to note the lack of mourning over this pair,a bit closer to home...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bodies-ian-brady-salman-abedi-10865557

wakka12

end of the road wrote: »

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Exactly! Islam eroding western freedoms since 2001! I will add to a list the extra security at airports and restrictions on flights! Extra security at concerts, sports events and any major large gathering of people.
I think the Chief Rabbi of Barcalona is right when he advised European Jews to move to Israel as Europe is lost because of the threat of Radical Islam!

well most european jews won't be taking that advice. they won't give up a democratic safe society for a state that may only treat them decently if they are of the right type of jew. it is vital they remain in europe as part of our cultural enrichment program.

There has been absolutely massive increase in emigration of French Jews to Israel since the Charlie hebdo attack a few years ago . The specific targeting of many Jewish places of worship , shopping , education has made lots of European Jews feel very unsafe , and quite understandably .

munsterlegend

I believe the link below relates to the 7 year old Australian/British boy. Well done to this man for showing such bravery and humanity given who knows what could have happened next. I have a child a similar age myself and reminds me of this poor kid full of life and the unimaginable grief the parents must be going through.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/how-brave-birmingham-holidaymaker-rushed-13499171.amp