ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

FraR

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Are you joking? You do realise that record numbers of Jewish people are leaving Europe to live in Israel, which is a very safe country and a popular tourist destination.

Same in the UK.

http://news.sky.com/story/more-british-jews-considering-move-abroad-as-anti-semitism-fears-grow-poll-10997052

Wibbs

end of the road wrote: »

vital they remain in europe as part of our cultural enrichment program.

"cultural enrichment" eh? Jesus....

ilkhanid

Dilan Jolly Ant wrote: »

The attack in Barca could actually have been much much worse, they discovered (by accident) x20 large canisters of Satan, according to the press.

Eh? :eek: So IS are in league with devil!

Ulysses Gaze

wakka12 wrote: »

Funnily enough skynews just posted an article about this very issue.
1 in 3 members of the British Jewish community have seriously considered moving abroad within the last two years, coinciding with the increased levels of islamic terror attacks.
http://news.sky.com/story/more-british-jews-considering-move-abroad-as-anti-semitism-fears-grow-poll-10997052

I think it takes a lot of prejudice and mistreatment for an entire third of one ethnic group to consider completely abandoning their home in search of safer refuge, and is really something we ought to investigate further.

37% of Jews felt unsafe showing any signs of their religious faith in public. We are so afraid of offending muslims but maybe it is people of jewish faith who we should be looking out for more so than any other religious group. Their plight seems to be much less focused on than islamophobic issues, which seem to be much lesser of an issue lets be honest.

Doesn't help when the opposition in the UK are riven with Anti-Semites as well.

4068ac1elhodqr

ilkhanid wrote: »

Eh? :eek: So IS are in league with devil!

Perhaps, Satan is just the aptly named 'abbreviated informal nickname' (MoS) used for the type of material (AP) that was stored in their canisters.

It could really have been much, much worse. Hundreds, maybe thousands severely injured or worse.

Gringo180

wakka12 wrote: »

There has been absolutely massive increase in emigration of French Jews to Israel since the Charlie hebdo attack a few years ago . The specific targeting of many Jewish places of worship , shopping , education has made lots of European Jews feel very unsafe , and quite understandably .

You would almost think Isis are doing the Israeli state a favour in increasing imigration into there country .

branie2

A seven-year-old boy has been named as one of the victims :-(

dublinman1990

branie2 wrote: »

A seven-year-old boy has been named as one of the victims :-(

Yes. Channel 4 News had pictures of 7 year old British born Australian boy Julian Cadman who died.

His father arrived in hospital recently to only find out the unfortunate news that he died.

It's just so sad that he went like this. RIP little fella.

Statement from Julian Cadman's family

“Julian was a much loved and adored member of our family. As he was enjoying the sights of Barcelona with his mother, Julian was sadly taken from us.

“He was so energetic, funny and cheeky, always bringing a smile to our faces. We are so blessed to have had him in our lives and will remember his smiles and hold his memory dear to our hearts.

“We would like to thank all those who helped us in searching for Julian. Your kindness was incredible during a difficult time.”

AnthonyCny

On the 22 May this year , 23 people were blown to bits in Manchester at Ariana Grande concert.

Including an 8 year old girl.

What has happened since that to stop this nonsense?

Absolutely nothing. Nothing .

Anyone who carries out ones of these attacks, ALL their family, brother sisters mother father sons daughters wife husband deported to wherever they like. Just a one way ticket to anywhere outside of Europe. Anywhere .

I know the attackers won't give a **** about their families but the the families will not want to be deported so will report anyone they suspect of being radicalised.

Have to root this out of Europe
Something has to be done. Can't just sit and do nothing.

end of the road

AnthonyCny wrote: »

On the 22 May this year , 23 people were blown to bits in Manchester at Ariana Grande concert.

Including an 8 year old girl.

What has happened since that to stop this nonsense?

Absolutely nothing. Nothing .

wrong. the security forces are doing what they can. you won't be able to prevent and stop all attacks. it's just not possible.

AnthonyCny wrote: »

Anyone who carries out ones of these attacks, ALL their family, brother sisters mother father sons daughters wife husband deported to wherever they like. Just a one way ticket to anywhere outside of Europe. Anywhere .

can't be done as it would be against the families human rights and against international law, unless the family are proven guilty of a crime and aren't from the country.

AnthonyCny wrote: »

I know the attackers won't give a **** about their families but the the families will not want to be deported so will report anyone they suspect of being radicalised.

there is no evidence that they will report such people.

AnthonyCny wrote: »

Have to root this out of Europe
Something has to be done. Can't just sit and do nothing.

something is being done. the security services are catching suspected extremists where possible. kneejerk nonsense however won't be done. extremism and radicalisation is being routed out but there is only so much can be done.

Snake Plisken

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don't believe the children should be held responsible for the sins of the fathers or vice versa. Would it be just if your adult child killed a Muslim in a hate crime for your family home to be demolished? To me this is fascist tactics. What is the point of winning the war if we lose the principles we are trying to protect?

Nope they should have controlled their terrorist sons and the same goes for the Mosque! It would send a clear message that you carry out a terrorist attack and your family and Mosque will suffer the consequences! I'm sure there would be a lot of terrorists shopped to the authorities if this was carried out!

FrancieBrady

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Nope they should have controlled their terrorist sons and the same goes for the Mosque! It would send a clear message that you carry out a terrorist attack and your family and Mosque will suffer the consequences! I'm sure there would be a lot of terrorists shopped to the authorities if this was carried out!

The family will be held responsible? Are you perhaps losing it a bit here?

If a member of the family is aiding them by all means prosecute but ' because they have not controlled' an adult child they are to blame???

Would there be enough prison space if this was applied to all? Or is this just a special law for Islam?

Snake Plisken

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The family will be held responsible? Are you perhaps losing it a bit here?

If a member of the family is aiding them by all means prosecute but ' because they have not controlled' an adult child they are to blame???

Would there be enough prison space if this was applied to all? Or is this just a special law for Islam?

Not at all but the nicey nicey approach hasn't worked at cutting these attacks out! we still have one of these murderers on the run no doubt being hidden in some Muslim community, someone knows where he is and they aren't contacting the police,

AnthonyCny

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The family will be held responsible? Are you perhaps losing it a bit here?

If a member of the family is aiding them by all means prosecute but ' because they have not controlled' an adult child they are to blame???

Would there be enough prison space if this was applied to all? Or is this just a special law for Islam?

I know it's extreme but something extreme has to be done to sort this out. Any family member of a participant in any terrorist attack put on a plane out of Europe, wherever they want.

Families wouldn't be long daubing in suspect individuals


What actual solutions are there to this problem of radicalisation? Actual solutions,not just waiting for the next attack

FrancieBrady

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Not at all but the nicey nicey approach hasn't worked at cutting these attacks out! we still have one of these murderers on the run no doubt being hidden in some Muslim community, someone knows where he is and they aren't contacting the police,

He isn't the first person who went on the run successfully.

Tell us this, in your kneejerk world, if you start penalising the general Muslim community what do you think will happen? They become more open or completely close ranks and breed much more of this?

222233

Why is it always rental vehicles in these attacks. Senseless another tragic loss of life by a very unstable individual.

Irish Praetorian

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He isn't the first person who went on the run successfully.

Tell us this, in your kneejerk world, if you start penalising the general Muslim community what do you think will happen? They become more open or completely close ranks and breed much more of this?

The catch 22 of Europe 'don't try and stop these terrorists or we will make more terrorists'

All the more reason I wouldn't want to see Ireland make the same mistakes as our neighbours.

FrancieBrady

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The catch 22 of Europe 'don't try and stop these terrorists or we will make more terrorists'

All the more reason I wouldn't want to see Ireland make the same mistakes as our neighbours.

It's more 'why would you want to do that, how is that going to do anything practical'.

dublinman1990

I heard some disturbing things on the news just now. The terrorists that hit Barcelona this week had a total of 120 gas canisters at their house in Alcanar before it exploded on Wednesday night. Spanish police said they where going to be used for further vehicle attacks in the city.

The jihadist cells had intended to hit the Sagrada Familia cathedral as a target for a further attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40990927

end of the road

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Nope they should have controlled their terrorist sons and the same goes for the Mosque! It would send a clear message that you carry out a terrorist attack and your family and Mosque will suffer the consequences! I'm sure there would be a lot of terrorists shopped to the authorities if this was carried out!

nope, not only would it send no message but it would cause people to move toards these extremist groups. as we learned from northern ireland, when you bully people because some have done something, then they will oppose such actions, violently if they feal they need to. thankfully such nonsense isn't going to happen as it has been proven to fail.

AnthonyCny wrote: »

I know it's extreme but something extreme has to be done to sort this out. Any family member of a participant in any terrorist attack put on a plane out of Europe, wherever they want.

Families wouldn't be long daubing in suspect individuals


What actual solutions are there to this problem of radicalisation? Actual solutions,not just waiting for the next attack

nope wrong they wouldn't. most likely they will join these extremist groups, as when people try and implement nonsense to get at people who haven't done anything for the actions of some, then they will understandibly oppose it. violently if needs be. did we learn nothing from northern ireland?

yerwanthere123

AnthonyCny wrote: »

On the 22 May this year , 23 people were blown to bits in Manchester at Ariana Grande concert.

Including an 8 year old girl.

What has happened since that to stop this nonsense?

Absolutely nothing. Nothing .

Anyone who carries out ones of these attacks, ALL their family, brother sisters mother father sons daughters wife husband deported to wherever they like. Just a one way ticket to anywhere outside of Europe. Anywhere .

I know the attackers won't give a **** about their families but the the families will not want to be deported so will report anyone they suspect of being radicalised.

Have to root this out of Europe
Something has to be done. Can't just sit and do nothing.

Lmao.

AnthonyCny

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Lmao.

And what's your solution ?

JMNolan

AnthonyCny wrote: »

And what's your solution ?

Hashtags and Facebook statuses obviously. Virtue signaling

Snake Plisken

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Lmao.

Glad you can find the death of innocent children funny idiot!

FrancieBrady

AnthonyCny wrote: »

And what's your solution ?

JMNolan wrote: »

Hashtags and Facebook statuses obviously. Virtue signaling

You do know that AnthonyCny doesn't really have a solution either. What he suggests doing is pie in the sky as there isn't anybody suggesting that in a position to change the requisite laws.

Snake Plisken

You do realise these murderers don't really care if they die if you saw the dickhead in Cambrils egging on the cops to shoot him dead you know that you won't be able to reason with them so you need to go down to their level to wipe them out.

Nettle Soup

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Glad you can find the death of innocent children funny idiot!

I am fascinated by the complete overreaction and obviously false accusations when someone doesn't agree with a ludicrous "solution". Is this a snowflake thing?

Snake Plisken

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I am fascinated by the complete overreaction and obviously false accusations when someone doesn't agree with a ludicrous "solution". Is this a snowflake thing?

Says one of the main lefty snowflakes on boards! The post references an 8 year old dying! That's what I was referencing!

Nettle Soup

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Says one of the main lefty snowflakes on boards! The post references an 8 year old dying! That's what I was referencing!

I am much too old for a snowflake and I vote FG

We both know which part of the rambling post was funny. Cheap shot.

yerwanthere123

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Glad you can find the death of innocent children funny idiot!

Actually, as others have alluded to, I was laughing at the nonsensical nature of his post. But by all means continue feigning offence :pac:

AlekSmart

AnthonyCny wrote: »

I know it's extreme but something extreme has to be done to sort this out. Any family member of a participant in any terrorist attack put on a plane out of Europe, wherever they want.

Families wouldn't be long daubing in suspect individuals

What actual solutions are there to this problem of radicalisation? Actual solutions,not just waiting for the next attack

Indeed,and all well & good,however in the Irish context,sterling work by the Gardai and Military Intelligence is rewarded by downright incompetence verging n treachery by elements of the Supreme Court.

Just look at the disregard shown for IRISH Public Safety in this particular case,where overwhelmning evidence was repeatedly ignored in order to big-up he "rights" of one decidely threatening Individual...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/deportation-of-man-allegedly-linked-to-islamic-terror-halted-1.3031212

Sinead McGrath BL, for the Minister, citing national security concerns, had opposed any stay, but Mr Lynn argued the man’s rights under Article 3 of the ECHR, prohibiting torture, trumped any national security concerns the Minister may have.

The pinhead dancers had an absolute field day here...one could speculate as to whether this individual used his remaining freetime in Ireland to full extent ??

weldoninhio

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't either because he never said that…

This is the article everyone keeps quoting out of context.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html



Hardly the 'meh, shít happens sometimes in big cities' attitude that people portray him as having.

Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.

From the second paragraph of your post. Strangely you didn't bold this part.

kunst nugget

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.

From the second paragraph of your post. Strangely you didn't bold this part.

The poster I quoted talked about Khan's 'we need to accept this in a big city' attitude and that quote about 'part and parcel of living in a big city' is misrepresented to espouse that notion. The article goes on to state how one of the first things he did when elected as mayor was to appoint former Met Police Authority chair Lord Harris to review London’s terrorist attack response and how London would be able to deal with multiple attacks to ensure that all agencies were properly resourced to deal with these. The 'part and parcel' quote when put in context shows that he's not just saying we have to accept these things as the other poster was making out.

EagererBeaver

Landed back in Barna last night. Metro very, very quiet this morning on the way to work, even for an August when half the city is on holiday.

BillyBobBS

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Landed back in Barna last night. Metro very, very quiet this morning on the way to work, even for an August when half the city is on holiday.

Since when did Barna get a subway? Bit over the top that no?

EagererBeaver

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Since when did Barna get a subway? Bit over the top that no?

Very funny, well done.

Edit: just in case you don't get it, "Barna" is shorthand for the city. "Barca" refers exclusively to the football team.

BillyBobBS

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Very funny, well done.

:pac: Lighten up

BillyBobBS

It now seems the car actually rammed into two bus stops this morning in Marsellie. I wonder if it's possible this could be linked to the Barcelona attack, could it be the same guy?

EagererBeaver

BillyBobBS wrote: »

:pac: Lighten up

Ha, I wasn't being sarky! The Galway one didn't even cross my mind so genuinely thought it was a decent joke.

Widdershins

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm actually using two parallel threads of thought,not comparing one against the other.

Im not sure that you are suggesting that people are travelling to Las Ramblas simply to have it said they "partied" at the murder site (Which is actually over 500 Mtrs in length).

Well if you read what was said rather than trying to read invisible between-the-lines messages, I clearly didn't say that.
The holiday was booked beforehand, but personally I'd have chosen another place to socialise under the circumstances. You can hardly compare it to a group of people known to the deceased at the Italian funeral. The deceased's death was probably anticipated for some time, perhaps they had a long, full life and died peacefully. Not the same as partying on or near where people of all ages were strewn dead on the ground a day before (be it there or 500 mt). Nor is it the same as life ''going on'' at historical sites. Those people weren't dead two days. It's not carrying on life, it's actually acting as if nothing at all happened and therefore its normalising mass slaughter and terror attacks. That's the effect of the ''don't get angry, it's part and parcel of life in a city'' message that's so prevalent now.

Notably, it was a very different message after the Nazi rally. Those on the ''Left'' are capable of talking about how such things could be prevented in future, but not when it involves Islamism.

Hector Savage

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40996789

This goes for all cities that suffer an attack, I wonder about this virtue signaling, it seems a little sick to me like people are using this tragedy to up their social media status, smiling away there as she takes a selfie ... wtf !!

Snake Plisken

Looks they might have killed the scumbag on the run
Man wearing an explosive belt shot down west of Barcelona

http://dailym.ai/2x6s9uX

Barcelona attack: 'Man shot' in hunt for suspect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603

The_Kew_Tour

Pity they could not catch him alive if this report is true, but it must be a mental drain for Security and Police and of course while they have to have 100% for security of the people they serve, they also have familes themselves to go home to so whoever shot him, well done good days work. One less gone

McDermotX

Nice....fine work

suicide_circus

They'll never do a better days work tbh

AlekSmart

Widdershins wrote: »

Well if you read what was said rather than trying to read invisible between-the-lines messages, I clearly didn't say that.
The holiday was booked beforehand, but personally I'd have chosen another place to socialise under the circumstances. You can hardly compare it to a group of people known to the deceased at the Italian funeral. The deceased's death was probably anticipated for some time, perhaps they had a long, full life and died peacefully. Not the same as partying on or near where people of all ages were strewn dead on the ground a day before (be it there or 500 mt). Nor is it the same as life ''going on'' at historical sites. Those people weren't dead two days. It's not carrying on life, it's actually acting as if nothing at all happened and therefore its normalising mass slaughter and terror attacks. That's the effect of the ''don't get angry, it's part and parcel of life in a city'' message that's so prevalent now.

Notably, it was a very different message after the Nazi rally. Those on the ''Left'' are capable of talking about how such things could be prevented in future, but not when it involves Islamism.

Whatever.

it still appears to me,that you are seeking to broaden the blame profile,and distribute some of it onto ordinary folk,whose frame of mind during their "partying",you may or may-not be intimate with.

Do you suggest that these "Partygoers" don't care about what happened?

If so,how do you know their depth of feeling?

Did any of these people unburden these feelings directly to you ?

Given that Cities are places in which life moves at a faster pace,are you angry with Barcelona's authorities for not sealing off the entire ramblas to everybody for a day...week...month,or whatever period of time You deem necessary to underline how bad an attack this was ?

What would be the result of such a closure,as in what would it achieve in real terms ?

The Spanish will decide their own level of mourning,which may include shutting their Cities down after atrocities,but our angry young Extremist Muslims will just have to accept that Western Decadence,loose morals and deeply held scepticism about rigid adherence to religious Doctrine from the middle ages,will continue in spite of their best efforts.

As for "The Left",Nazisim and Islamism....well,it's a hard road that does'nt have a few turns along the way......

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/187128/nazi-romance-with-islam

Both Hitler and Himmler had a soft spot for Islam. Hitler several times fantasized that, if the Saracens had not been stopped at the Battle of Tours, Islam would have spread through the European continent—and that would have been a good thing, since “Jewish Christianity” wouldn’t have gone on to poison Europe. Christianity doted on weakness and suffering, while Islam extolled strength, Hitler believed. Himmler in a January 1944 speech called Islam “a practical and attractive religion for soldiers,” with its promise of paradise and beautiful women for brave martyrs after their death. “This is the kind of language a soldier understands,” Himmler gushed.

Gringo180

Scum of the earth. These lads proclaiming to be Muslim but in the same breath are high on drink and drugs when committing these crimes. Pity they couldnt take him alive.

RasTa

Crazy how young they all are

Noel82

We might not see it, but these type of plots are happening everywhere in Europe. Let's not fool ourselves

deaddonkey15

AlekSmart wrote: »

Whatever.

it still appears to me,that you are seeking to broaden the blame profile,and distribute some of it onto ordinary folk,whose frame of mind during their "partying",you may or may-not be intimate with.

Do you suggest that these "Partygoers" don't care about what happened?

If so,how do you know their depth of feeling?

Did any of these people unburden these feelings directly to you ?

Given that Cities are places in which life moves at a faster pace,are you angry with Barcelona's authorities for not sealing off the entire ramblas to everybody for a day...week...month,or whatever period of time You deem necessary to underline how bad an attack this was ?

What would be the result of such a closure,as in what would it achieve in real terms ?

The Spanish will decide their own level of mourning,which may include shutting their Cities down after atrocities,but our angry young Extremist Muslims will just have to accept that Western Decadence,loose morals and deeply held scepticism about rigid adherence to religious Doctrine from the middle ages,will continue in spite of their best efforts.

As for "The Left",Nazisim and Islamism....well,it's a hard road that does'nt have a few turns along the way......

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/187128/nazi-romance-with-islam

It's obvious what she meant. Get over it.