ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Somedude9

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Looks they might have killed the scumbag on the run
Man wearing an explosive belt shot down west of Barcelona

http://dailym.ai/2x6s9uX

Barcelona attack: 'Man shot' in hunt for suspect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603

Hurrah! for humankind

wakka12

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It now seems the car actually rammed into two bus stops this morning in Marsellie. I wonder if it's possible this could be linked to the Barcelona attack, could it be the same guy?

Marseille crash is not terror related

Stephen15

wakka12 wrote: »

Marseille crash is not terror related

The got me thinking remember the 2004 Wellington Quay bus crash. If that had happened today people would be thinking it was terror related.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The catch 22 of Europe 'don't try and stop these terrorists or we will make more terrorists'

All the more reason I wouldn't want to see Ireland make the same mistakes as our neighbours.

Strawman argument.

Nobody said the idea of stopping a terrorist should be avoided. Punishing an entire religion, on the other hand, should, it's a knee jerk reaction and it's a highly unintelligent strategy.

magnolia1 wrote: »

part and parcelona of living in big city

People died horrifically, your post is idiotic.

Richard Hillman

Gringo180 wrote: »

Scum of the earth. These lads proclaiming to be Muslim but in the same breath are high on drink and drugs when committing these crimes. Pity they couldnt take him alive.

They get absolved of sin after Martyrdom before getting their 40 virgins. The 9-11 terrorists were drinking in strip clubs a few nights before the attacks.

It is mental how brainwashed they are. They genuinely, wholeheartedly believe this with not a hint of doubt.

mezzz

Brandon Thousands Axe wrote: »

Strawman argument.

Nobody said the idea of stopping a terrorist should be avoided. Punishing an entire religion, on the other hand, should, it's a knee jerk reaction and it's a highly unintelligent strategy.



People died horrifically, your post is idiotic.

part and parcelona is obvously a reference to your co-religionist telling londoners to get used to white van ssmashing down kids, as the good people of barcelona have to learn, its bart and barcel,

but ya, you get mad at the people playing wordgames, not at your brothers driving the vans

end of the road

mezzz wrote: »

part and parcelona is obvously a reference to your co-religionist telling londoners to get used to white van ssmashing down kids, as the good people of barcelona have to learn, its bart and barcel,

except his non-co-religionist didn't tell anyone anything of the sort.

mezzz wrote: »

but ya, you get mad at the people playing wordgames, not at your brothers driving the vans

they aren't his brothers.

Hector Savage

RasTa wrote: »

Crazy how young they all are

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

It's a shame how religion and fanaticism can posion the mind - on all sides.

seachto7

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

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Hector Savage

seachto7 wrote: »

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The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

cfuserkildare

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

EagererBeaver

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

cfuserkildare

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

Interesting,

I hadn't thought about the Norwegians, How many of them have converted to a religion that teaches them to " Kill the Infidel "? And then actually acted it out?


Americans cannot really be counted in my earlier statement, as they are the biggest ethnically mixed nation.

The_Valeyard

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Well, the Germans did have a history of becoming radicalised in the very near past.

cfuserkildare

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Well, the Germans did have a history of becoming radicalised in the very near past.

Soceo-Political upheaval as was happening in 1930s Germany is a completely different event to the teachings of a religion that has been attempting to dispose of everyone else for the last 1450 years.

Don't you think?

Dyr

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

It's a shame how religion and fanaticism can posion the mind - on all sides.

A nice lad who was somehow completely turned around from nice lad and convinced to drive over women and children.

F*ck him.

seachto7

Hector Savage wrote: »

The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

Were they vulnerable though? Don't some of the news articles quote people who played football with them etc?

222233

seachto7 wrote: »

Were they vulnerable though? Don't some of the news articles quote people who played football with them etc?

I don't agree that they are vulnerable there may be some cases where that might be true.

Social psychologists Stephen D. Reicher and S. Alexander Haslam make the case that most terrorists are not psychopaths or sadists, much as we would like to believe. Instead the majority are ordinary people, shaped by group dynamics to do harm in the name of a cause they find noble and just.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/special-report-the-psychology-of-terrorism/


Some of the research is quite interesting.

Hector Savage

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Good education I would say.
I see the comment about Norway, presumably meaning Anders Brevik - very exceptional case and he wasn't motivated by religion.

The USA ? again, education

Terrible public school system.

222233

Hector Savage wrote: »

Good education I would say.
I see the comment about Norway, presumably meaning Anders Brevik - very exceptional case and he wasn't motivated by religion.

The USA ? again, education

Terrible public school system.

There is actually very little evidence to prove that being disadvantaged in some way plays a part in the radicalisation of an individual. It seems to be more along the lines of self assumed injustices and collective identity

ilkhanid

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Radicalisation comes from discontents, stresses and unresolved issues within societies. Europe has been relatively peaceful since 1945 because the institutions put in place by consensus were able to deal with problems like nationalism, separatism, extreme rightism and leftism. Places like the Middle East have never been able to build a set of institutions that reflect shared values.
But even advanced societies like, say, Norway, can never be totally immune to the old legacies of hatred, as Anders Breivik showed.

Widdershins

Hector Savage wrote: »

The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

Now would be a good time for the English government to withdraw all funding from Islamic schools in England. Children shouldn't be allowed to be indoctrinated, segregated by gender and an imposed religion.

quintana76

There should also be an investigation into the funding of the Clonskeagh mosque. The content of the preaching and the provenance of the invited preachers should be thoroughly investigated. Established Muslim Brotherhood connections should be mapped out.
I know daddy Halawa is a massive figure in that organisation. Everybody knows it is basically a MB supporting mosque.

All this would happen in a rational society with a rational leadership. Not a chance in Ireland.
What happens is that our grandstanding new Taoiseach goes there for yet another photo op right after the Dublin gay pride parade.
I mean, that is so messed up on so many levels.

Aristotle145

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

Norway have the same problem with naive lefties as every other european state.
When the truth really comes out,the lefties really goes ballistic.
But they have atleast someone who dares to oppose them.
http://norwaytoday.info/news/listhaug-pointed-finger-main-speaker/

And the results speak for itself,allthough the left dont agree.
https://www.thelocal.no/20170516/number-of-asylum-centres-in-norway-drops-sharply
http://uk.businessinsider.com/asylum-seekers-arriving-in-norway-decrease-2016-7

Gringo180

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Soceo-Political upheaval as was happening in 1930s Germany is a completely different event to the teachings of a religion that has been attempting to dispose of everyone else for the last 1450 years.

Don't you think?

What Muslim country are you speaking of? I dont recall any in recent times that has been trying to dispose of everyone else?

Nettle Soup

Widdershins wrote: »

Now would be a good time for the English government to withdraw all funding from Islamic schools in England. Children shouldn't be allowed to be indoctrinated, segregated by gender and an imposed religion.

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

Widdershins

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

I agree generally but it's England, the CofE schools are pretty mild as it goes. It's barely a religion at all now. It's also their 'native' religion so it makes some sense that they're *still* funding it since it was always that way, and I'd agree with them gradually withdrawing funding in favour of secular schools. I don't know what they were thinking when they began funding Islamic schools in the first place not so long ago, when it should be a move away from religious schools.

BillyBobBS

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

Agree 100% but Islam is a couple of hundred years behind the rest of us in terms of enlightenment. It's going to take more than a hundred years for them to catch up but on a positive note the catholic church will be only a footnote in history by then.

The_Kew_Tour

If things keep going on the graph its currently going in 100 years time wont be a place for certain minorities and women.

That's the problem.

Of course things like climate change, wars could change things but thats another matter

Snake Plisken

quintana76 wrote: »

There should also be an investigation into the funding of the Clonskeagh mosque. The content of the preaching and the provenance of the invited preachers should be thoroughly investigated. Established Muslim Brotherhood connections should be mapped out.
I know daddy Halawa is a massive figure in that organisation. Everybody knows it is basically a MB supporting mosque.

All this would happen in a rational society with a rational leadership. Not a chance in Ireland.
What happens is that our grandstanding new Taoiseach goes there for yet another photo op right after the Dublin gay pride parade.
I mean, that is so messed up on so many levels.

I await End of the Road's standard reply of "No there shouldn't"
In all seriousness have a read of Mark Humpries article on it and some of the "interesting" individuals who have been invited to speak there
http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html

end of the road

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I await End of the Road's standard reply of "No there shouldn't"

you will be waiting. if there is any evidence of illegal activity at this mosq then it should be reported to the authorities and investigated appropriately.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

In all seriousness have a read of Mark Humpries article on it and some of the "interesting" individuals who have been invited to speak there
http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html

i'd find a better source then Mark Humphries tbh.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

you will be waiting. if there is any evidence of illegal activity at this mosq then it should be reported to the authorities and investigated appropriately.



i'd find a better source then Mark Humphries tbh.

No you wouldnt

uberalles

quintana76 wrote: »

There should also be an investigation into the funding of the Clonskeagh mosque. The content of the preaching and the provenance of the invited preachers should be thoroughly investigated. Established Muslim Brotherhood connections should be mapped out.
I know daddy Halawa is a massive figure in that organisation. Everybody knows it is basically a MB supporting mosque.

All this would happen in a rational society with a rational leadership. Not a chance in Ireland.
What happens is that our grandstanding new Taoiseach goes there for yet another photo op right after the Dublin gay pride parade.
I mean, that is so messed up on so many levels.

Up on the roof ....

mezzz

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I await End of the Road's standard reply of "No there shouldn't"
In all seriousness have a read of Mark Humpries article on it and some of the "interesting" individuals who have been invited to speak there
http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html

NOPE,

YOUR WRONG, FUND AND REPORT TO THE AUTHROITIES. (IT'S THEIR JOB, MAN)

WRONG WRONG WRONG

NOPE

AlekSmart

end of the road wrote: »

You will be waiting. If there is any evidence of illegal activity at this mosque,then it should be reported to the authorities and investigated appropriately.

I'd find a better source then Mark Humphries tbh.

I concur totally with the investigation suggestion.

There has already been such evidence presented as to concerns about activites at the Islamic Centre,however it is uncertain as to what follow up investigations resulted.

Perhaps you could expand on what you would consider an "appropriate" level of investigation at this location,given the sensitivities involved ?

Currently,in the Irish domain,Mr Humphries is the sole source of on-line material covering the activities of the main players here,in fairness to him,he offers this material for free and open consideration and invities comment and criticism.

Snake Plisken

Well done Charlie Hebdo calling the religon of peace for what it is although it would want to up its security again as those peaceful followers might not take to kindly to the cover
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/900028193981300736

BillyBobBS

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well done Charlie Hebdo calling the religon of peace for what it is although it would want to up its security again as those peaceful followers might not take to kindly to the cover
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/900028193981300736

Brilliant cover. Love Charlie Hebdo, brutally honest.

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/900455687146414081


Could be from the cell in Spain. Has all the hallmarks

BillyBobBS

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/900455687146414081


Could be from the cell in Spain. Has all the hallmarks

Mentally ill van?

Cortina_MK_IV

Spanish police tipped off the Dutch.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41032483

BillyBobBS

Sources suggesting the info might have come from the 4 bastards in Spanish custody. Like i said a few days ago i hope they water boarded the living ****e out of them to obtain any info that prevents attacks. These aren't people, they are sub human animals and deserve no human rights.

Gringo180

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Sources suggesting the info might have come from the 4 bastards in Spanish custody. Like i said a few days ago i hope they water boarded the living ****e out of them to obtain any info that prevents attacks. These aren't people, they are sub human animals and deserve no human rights.

Totally agree. The Spanish police wont be molly coddling them thats for sure.

Richard Hillman

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Sources suggesting the info might have come from the 4 bastards in Spanish custody. Like i said a few days ago i hope they water boarded the living ****e out of them to obtain any info that prevents attacks. These aren't people, they are sub human animals and deserve no human rights.

Noticed it just after the arrest that they were giving up a lot of info straight away, such as the other planned attacks. Must be having a nice time in the cells
.

take everything

That recent incident in Dublin where a car ploughed into a crowd of people around Harcourt street/Adelaide road. I found the reporting around it strange. Very little detail about who was involved etc.
A anyone know more about it.

kunst nugget

take everything wrote: »

That recent incident in Dublin where a car ploughed into a crowd of people around Harcourt street/Adelaide road. I found the reporting around it strange. Very little detail about who was involved etc.
A anyone know more about it.

Seems to have been an electronic fault in a disabled driver's automatic car.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

mezzz wrote: »

part and parcelona is obvously a reference to your co-religionist telling londoners to get used to white van ssmashing down kids, as the good people of barcelona have to learn, its bart and barcel,

but ya, you get mad at the people playing wordgames, not at your brothers driving the vans

What the actual fcuk are you talking about? My brothers? WTF?

Word games for internet points shouldn't have a place in these threads.

FraR

The CIA gave the Spanish police a tip off about an attack just two months ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-attack-cia-spain-las-ramblas-terror-warn-two-months-ago-reports-a7900156.html

FraR

I'm beginning to think that Europe simply does not have the cultural tools to deal with things like radical Islam or the migrant crisis. The quest for tolerance and diversity has destroyed its ability to deal with those type of things. Hear me out, it's not that tolerance and diversity are bad, but here's where I think it went wrong:

In the aftermath of WWII, where war and genocide were created by widespread prejudice and ethnic chauvinism, there was a completely logical push in Europe to embrace values of tolerance towards ethnic minorities. And this made, and still makes, perfect sense. People needed to learn to tolerate the differences of the different ethnic and religious groups in their society. If a minority group follows a different religion, the majority should be tolerant and understanding of their differences. It makes for a more harmonious society. Same with diversity. If you have multiple different ethnic groups living within your society or community, it makes perfect sense to get the input of all these groups when working or making plans. These are ideas that make societies made up of different groups stronger and more harmonious. A society where people are tolerant of each other is good, a society where different ethnic groups are slitting each other's throats the moment the economy goes sour is bad.

But here's where I think these ideas went off the rails. Being tolerant and seeking diversity within your own society is good. But somehow, these ideas of tolerance and diversity were extended not just to your own society or country, but to everywhere in the world. "Tolerance" is now demanded not only towards minorities in your own country (which is good), it is now demanded that you also be "tolerant" of people and cultural ideas which have nothing to do with your society. You are expected to not only be tolerant of the beliefs of your neighbors, but also some guy a thousand miles away in Pakistan and his beliefs. And if that guy from Pakistan wants to move from his country to yours, you'd better be tolerant of both his desire to move to your country and his foreign culture once he gets there. The idea of "tolerance" now means that you are supposed to embrace cultures and values that are completely alien to your society, have no history in your society, and have nothing to do with your society.

Likewise with diversity. The concept started off as seeking representation from all the different parts of your community, and has morphed into this idea that if your community is too homogeneous, outsiders should be imported to increase "diversity" levels. It is forbidden to question whether "diversity" is in of itself a good thing as opposed to simply being a way to ensure the different parts of your community are working together. The new dogma is that the greater number of different cultural and religious groups there are in a society, the higher its diversity and the better off it is. And you'd better not dare question this assumption. If your community doesn't contain enough people of different ethnic or religious backgrounds, well, you can always just import some!

My argument is that both these ideas are warped from their original conception. Tolerance and diversity should be about making your own society more harmonious, not about importing as many foreign cultures as you can and "tolerating" them so that your country becomes more ethnically and religiously fractured than it was before. Many nations have moved further and further to the left on these ideas. Even in my own country, the US, the Democratic Party has moved further and further to the left on immigration issues. I was just reading an article about how the Democrats have lost a good portion of their former base in the working class because they've decided that illegal immigration is a civil rights issue that's no longer up for debate. As in, if you oppose illegal immigration, you are opposing a civil right. Yes, that's right, even wanting immigration laws to be enforced is now seen as a bigoted, racist, and intolerant position.

And it can't keep going. These ongoing problems are making it more and more obvious that stretching ideas of "tolerance" and "diversity" beyond your own country to include every other country on the planet is not working, and that "it's unambiguously a good thing to import more foreigners and foreign cultures" is completely untrue.

dublinman1990

There is another security operation taking place from Catalan Police at the Sangrada Familia Catholic church in Barcelona tonight.

The police bomb squad are there to check a van near the church.

The church is cordoned off according to Twitter.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-security/catalan-police-evacuate-barcelonas-sagrada-familia-in-anti-terrorism-operation-idUSKCN1BN2N4

Hopefully this is another false alarm for the people of Barcelona.

Breaking news images are now appearing on the BBC News Channel.

EagererBeaver

False alarm.