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Earning my go-faster stripes...
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Bluesquare wrote: »Your very patient - after one days experience my head was melted . Although I'm liking this new average heart rate setting! You can join me on sub 4 quest for DCM next year .........
Just need to find the right plan!Oh but just think how much easier the second one is bound to be! (I assume, based on no experience whatsoever
) People aren't lying when they say it's a bug are they??
I don't know does anything about running ever get easier
We're always trying to go longer or go faster or both so it never really feels any easier does it! 0 -
Time to get caught up here! Recap for last week:
I knew this week was always going to be a bit interrupted due to some travel planned for the weekend, so aim was just to keep it going as much as I could. Pleased to say that things felt a teeny tiny bit better this week! Still slow as molasses and getting random HR spikes but slightly fewer of those. It's a start!
Goal for all runs: 140-145 HR
Monday 11th - 5.3 miles / 11:57 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
Very windy. Up and out early (6.30
) - first time going out while it was still dark. Not sure how the morning running will go when we get into winter...
Tuesday 12th - 5.4 miles / 11:19 avg pace / 143 (152) HR avg (max)
This one felt much easier, which the pace reflects. Evening instead of morning though, and that always makes a difference for me.
Wednesday 13th - 5.3 miles / 11:34 avg pace / 145 (153) HR avg (max)
Meh, this one wasn't great. Was feeling fairly stressed and I noticed that the heart rate would spike whenever I let my thoughts get carried away, so I'm blaming this one on having a lot on my mind.
Thursday 14th - 5 miles / 11:30 avg pace / 142 (150) HR avg (max)
Can't remember anything about this one now! Oops.
Friday 15th - 3 miles / 11:19 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
Only had time for a short one. Went fine!
Saturday 16th - Unplanned Rest Day
A VERY late night the previous night (and far too many glasses of wine) put paid to my grand plan of an early morning long run. After that it was travelling all day so no opportunity for one either. Headed to Cork to see The National in the opera house. What a gig! Worth missing a run for
Sunday 17th - Planned rest day
Knew I'd never manage anything today as I was driving from Cork straight back up to the airport, and away for work.
Mileage for the week: 24
Lower than I had intended, but not the end of the world.0 -
Saturday 16th - Unplanned Rest Day
A VERY late night the previous night (and far too many glasses of wine) put paid to my grand plan of an early morning long run. After that it was travelling all day so no opportunity for one either. Headed to Cork to see The National in the opera house. What a gig! Worth missing a run for
Mileage for the week: 24
Lower than I had intended, but not the end of the world.
Five days' running seems like a decent week to me. Very jealous you were at The National gig. What a band!0 -
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A bit more disruption for this week before I could properly settle back into the normal running routine. I was away on a work trip on Monday, flew back Tuesday. No opportunity for any running on the Monday, but I headed out for a short one when I got back from the airport the next day.
It was a week of ups and downs running-wise, really. Two terrific days (Thurs & Fri) where everything felt the easiest it has in ages. Then an absolute slog of a fairly short LSR on Sunday which just a struggle throughout, for no reason that I could come up with. Left me scratching my head and glad it was over. But hey it's a new week, time to start it all over again
Goal for all runs: 140-145 HR
Monday 18th - Planned rest day
Abroad for work and no way I could run. Istanbul - never been before and didn't get to see much but it left an impression. Will definitely go back.
Tuesday 19th - 4.15 miles / 11:32 avg pace / 142 (152) HR avg (max)
Felt easy and comfortable. Nice to be back out.
Wednesday 20th - 5 miles / 11:44 avg pace / 144 (156) HR avg (max)
Treadmill. Misery. Effort felt very easy but I think the heat in the gym caused the HR to be high regardless.
Thursday 21st - 5.6 miles / 10:54 avg pace / 142 (150) HR avg (max)
Best run in ages! Not really sure where it came from but I enjoyed every minute. All miles bar the fifth were under 11mins.
Friday 22nd - 6.3 miles / 11:07 avg pace / 142 (151) HR avg (max)
Finally remembered to do some strides, which were fun! Again the whole run felt good.
Saturday 23rd - Rest Day
I've started a part-time Masters, and today was a school day all day. Amazing how exhausting sitting in a chair all day and paying attention can be! No running
Sunday 24th - 8.1 miles / 11:50 avg pace / 147 (160) HR avg (max)
Hideous run! Felt wrong from the outset. No matter how slowly I went I couldn't get the heart rate to stay down at all. Slogged through it but it was a relief to get to the end.
Mileage for the week: 29.15
My rough aim has been to bump my mileage up to high 30s (and ultimately beyond) but it's proving harder than expected. Will keep at it!0 -
Am I really into the fourth week of this already? I'd love to say I've noticed an improvement so far, but in all honesty I have yet to manage a single run where I kept my heart rate in the target range throughout. Average HR yes, but I've always had at least one pesky spike up to 150 or above. Feels pretty frustrating. But I've got time to give it, so I will stick with it.
Monday 25th - 5.14 miles / 11:50 avg pace /143 (151) HR avg (max)
Runmute home with the backpack. Kept having to slow down to keep the effort in check. Frustrating.
Tuesday 26th - 4.11 miles / 11:00 avg pace /144 (152) HR avg (max)
Lunchtime run, hence shorter distance. Bit quicker this time but I felt it too. Bit lightheaded the last few runs, something feels off. Haven't been sleeping well so maybe it's just that?
Wednesday 27th - 5 miles / 12:18 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)
The frustration continues... 0 -
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Oh God love you! Not a great start to your work day. Hope the day improves for you.
Thanks! I managed to clean up most of the damage so I think I'm getting away with it! Now I just hope I don't mysteriously smell of apple bran muffin (the offending item)... At least it wasn't soup or curry or something! 0 -
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eyrie just came across your log today. Congrats on the R&R, a great debut half and a great report.
You will see your times coming down the more running you do. You have great patience, I'd have giving up the HAAD after week one:o It will stand to you and you will be delighted with the results.
Regarding your weekend and studying, it might be a good idea to schedule a short run in, as it will refresh you, give you a break from study and it will make you feel less guilty.
I will be following the log and your progress with interest, my original PBs were very similar to yours and some days I can't believe how far I've come.
Happy Running.
Thank you!! I've read your log since joining here but had to just go back to the start when I read your comment, and wow! Makes me think there's hope yet... Not that I can imagine ever doing half of what you've done, that's some impressive variety you've got going on!
I think you're 100% right about the balance between studying/running too - last weekend was too heavily all-in-the-head, I'll make sure to get out for a run to keep me sane this weekend. Helps the studying in the long run I reckon!
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Wednesday 4th - 4 miles / 12:30 avg pace /140 (149) HR avg (max)
Lunchtime hop on the treadmill. FINALLY managed to keep the HR below 150 the entire time! Although that's about the only positive thing I can say about this one
Thursday 5th - 5.12 miles / 12:35 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)
I seem to be getting slower, not faster. Pretty sure it was meant to go the other way... This was a runmute in the morning with the backpack, so I'm going to try and blame it on that!
Friday 6th - 4.75 miles / 12:38 avg pace /139 (148) HR avg (max)
Hallelujah! One more for the under 150 HR bank. We'll ignore the fact that it should really be under 145... Baby steps! Oh and let's also ignore how painfully slow this was, can we??
Saturday 7th - 8.06 miles / 11:47 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)
"Long" run day. This actually felt great! Fun and relaxed, like I could have run all day. There were a few spikes going uphill into the wind near the start, but after that the effort was within range too. So, better.
And Sunday was a rest day.
Weekly mileage: 31.96 miles
I'm really starting to miss hard workouts (who am I? Didn't think I'd ever say that) and races.
While I've been frustrated by seeming to get slower rather than faster following this method, I can also say that 6 days running in a row has never felt so easy on my body. I'm really hoping if I stick with it a bit longer the paces will start to pick up too.0 -
The week didn't pan out exactly as planned, meaning the weekend was a bit of a (well total!) fail. I was away for it so I knew Saturday would be out, but thought I'd get back in time for a long run on Sunday evening. I didn't. I feel the long runs are really important in this kind of training since there seems to be so little else to drive any adaptations, given that it's all easy pace. So I'm annoyed with myself for missing it, but it couldn't be helped. Onwards!
Monday 9th - Pilates + 5.12 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 142 (153) HR avg (max)
Lovely run! Headed out after work. Felt very comfortable. I was itching to go faster towards the end, but held back. HR/effort was actually fairly consistent throughout - the max reading was an anomaly from a hill about halfway.
Tuesday 10th - 5.26 miles / 12:03 avg pace / 143 (153) HR avg (max)
Heavy backpack for the runmute to work. Forgot to bring all the necessary supplies in yesterday. Whether it was down to that or not, this felt harder than it should have. Didn't pay as much attention as I should have to keeping the heart rate in the right place either.
On reflection, this and several of the harder runs from recent weeks have been to/from work with the backpack. I just don't enjoy it. Convenient though, but will try to prioritise regular unencumbered runs when possible.
Wednesday 11th - 3.51 miles / 12:16 avg pace / 141 (148) HR avg (max)
Ordered some new runners. Short on time at lunchtime so hit the treadmill for a short stint. Felt very easy and relaxed. Noticed the HR starting to climb about 25 mins in, which I'm fairly sure is due to the heat in the gym.
Thursday 12th - 6.55 miles / 11:56 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
Evening runmute with the backpack, but managed not to put half my worldly possessions into it this time! Extended the run a bit too. Really enjoyed this one. Felt like I could have kept going forever.
Friday 13th - 5.1 miles / 11:52 avg pace / 143 (150) HR avg (max)
Runmute home with backpack. Can't remember anything so I'll assume it was grand!
Weekly mileage: 25.5 miles0 -
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Have to stick up a reminder here, for myself as much as anything, that I'm supposed to be running all runs between 140-145 HR, up to max 150 at a push. I completely failed at this so far this week so need to cop on and be more disciplined with it.
Monday 23rd - Pilates + 4.65 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 144 (155) HR avg (max)
Ran home from work with the backpack. Started fine but felt a bit off from the second mile onwards. Let HR get a bit away from me too. On the bright side, I finally got the nod to move up to intermediate pilates, woo!
Tuesday 24th - 5.02 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 147 (154) HR avg (max)
Eeek, no excuses for this one. Morning run to work with backpack. Felt pretty awful really, heavy legs and effort way out of proportion to pace. It was windy and humid, and that definitely played a part.
Wednesday 25th - 4.28 miles / 12:05 avg pace / 152 (163) HR avg (max) - !!!
Failure of technology. At least I think that's the only way to explain this one. HR was a good 15-20 beats higher than normal for the same pace throughout, despite everything feeling mostly very easy. Felt a bit weird/woozy in a few patches but that may have been psychological due to the watch apparently telling me I was about to spontaneously combust!
Thursday 26th - Rest
After the weirdness of Wednesday I decided to take a rest day. I'm still hoping it was down to watch misbehaviour but given that Monday and Tuesday's runs both felt fairly crap I decided to take a break and reset!
Getting very excited on behalf of everyone running on Sunday! I will be out watching and cheering, and probably getting very carried away imagining myself being on the other side of the spectator line next year! Hoping it's a great day for everyone running 0 -
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The Muppet wrote: »So it's not just me that gets carried away, I struggle with the discipline to run at the proper paces most days too , It ain't easy.
Oh I'd be willing to bet there's more than a few of us in it! The irony is that it often feels like running "easy" is harder than running "hard", go figure!
You seem to be very consistent though so I wouldn't have said discipline was a problem 0 -
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Have to stick up a reminder here, for myself as much as anything, that I'm supposed to be running all runs between 140-145 HR, up to max 150 at a push. I completely failed at this so far this week so need to cop on and be more disciplined with it.
Monday 23rd - Pilates + 4.65 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 144 (155) HR avg (max)
Ran home from work with the backpack. Started fine but felt a bit off from the second mile onwards. Let HR get a bit away from me too. On the bright side, I finally got the nod to move up to intermediate pilates, woo!
Tuesday 24th - 5.02 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 147 (154) HR avg (max)
Eeek, no excuses for this one. Morning run to work with backpack. Felt pretty awful really, heavy legs and effort way out of proportion to pace. It was windy and humid, and that definitely played a part.
Wednesday 25th - 4.28 miles / 12:05 avg pace / 152 (163) HR avg (max) - !!!
Failure of technology. At least I think that's the only way to explain this one. HR was a good 15-20 beats higher than normal for the same pace throughout, despite everything feeling mostly very easy. Felt a bit weird/woozy in a few patches but that may have been psychological due to the watch apparently telling me I was about to spontaneously combust!
Thursday 26th - Rest
After the weirdness of Wednesday I decided to take a rest day. I'm still hoping it was down to watch misbehaviour but given that Monday and Tuesday's runs both felt fairly crap I decided to take a break and reset!
Getting very excited on behalf of everyone running on Sunday! I will be out watching and cheering, and probably getting very carried away imagining myself being on the other side of the spectator line next year! Hoping it's a great day for everyone running
I think I'd struggle with that combo in fairness :eek: Well done on listening to your body and taking a bit of break. Weather looks like it will be favourable on Sunday
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Catch up time! Didn't realise how long it had been since I updated this last, oops
Friday 27th - 5.04 miles / 11:14 avg pace / 145 (155) HR avg (max)
Felt fine for this one until towards the end, when I started to get a migraine. Home to lie down in the dark!
Saturday 28th - Rest
Still drowsy and a bit out of it after the migraine, so figured running wouldn't be the best idea.
Sunday 29th - 7.01 miles / 11:15 avg pace / 145 (153) HR avg (max)
Out to cheer on the marathoners in the morning. Wow! What an atmosphere. Seriously impressed by them all, hope to be attempting it myself next time
Headed out for an easy run in the afternoon, which was lovely. Went along a bit of the marathon route just for the craic.
Weekly mileage: 26 miles
Monday 30th - Rest. Took the bank holiday off to spend time with family.
Tuesday 31st - 4 miles / 11:14 avg pace / 143 (153) HR avg (max)
Out at lunchtime for this short one. Bit weird, felt like I was flying at the start but then really dragged in the middle, just felt a bit off.
Total for the month of October: 113.5 miles
Expected this to be worse actually as it felt like a fairly all-over-the-place month, but it's actually not too far behind where I was during training for the half, prior to the peak month when I went a good bit above. Still struggling (actually I should say failing!) to get the mileage up though.0 -
And another one to bring us up to date!
Wednesday 1st November - Pilates + 5.1 miles / 11:55 avg pace / 145 (153) HR avg (max)
First go at intermediate pilates - not too bad! Then out for an easy run after work. Slowed right down for this one as I was pretty wrecked - very little sleep last night and the legs were tired after pilates. Eyeballed a rat that was in no hurry to run away from me on the canal but otherwise nothing to report from this one.
Thursday 2nd November - Rest. Various things on and no time to fit in a run.
Friday 3rd November - 5.51 miles / 11:27 avg pace / 145 (154) HR avg (max)
Grand, unremarkable.
Saturday 4th November - 5.53 miles / 11:19 avg pace / 154 (168) HR avg (max)
Hmm. RHR was +10 bpm higher than normal. Got up and went straight out for this one first thing, and the HR was consistently 10 ish bpm over what I'd expect for the effort/pace.
Sunday 5th November - 6.28 miles / 10:10 avg pace / 158 (170) HR avg (max)
Short on time for a long run, so I let myself up the pace and just enjoy this without obsessing over the watch and trying to keep my heart rate low. As a result I had one of the most enjoyable runs in ages!
Weekly mileage: 26.43 miles
Thoughts: I'm really starting to question this whole HADD training experiment. I don't feel like it's working for me. My heart rate seems to be really erratic and I often feel like I'm getting more sluggish and unfit rather than less. I think I'll start adding in one or two of the slightly higher effort runs he allows and try that for another few weeks, but if that doesn't make any difference I think it'll be time to move on. Disappointing but maybe it's just not for me, or maybe I'm not doing right of course...0 -
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The Muppet wrote: »The discipline to run by heart rate is tough , I couldn't hack it myself , I've tried a few times but there are a few runners here who stuck with it and found it very good, I know annie get your run used it and I think Ososlo did a few years ago too.
If you are running for enjoyment and not enjoying the sessions it doesn't really make sense to stick with it.
I did find it tough for the first few weeks but for me it worked. I wouldn't do it while training for a race though, I used it as a base building / increase my fitness levels before I started Rotterdam training. It's not for everyone though that's true and as TFB has said, running with a back pack will definitely impact the HR.
It's probably a good idea to knock it on the head if you're not enjoying it! There are other ways to train by HR and I'm a big fan of that in general so don't let HADD put you off. 0 -
HADD's tough. I ultimately came to the conclusion that it wasn't for me, mainly because running is a hobby and it's supposed to be enjoyable.The Muppet wrote: »If you are running for enjoyment and not enjoying the sessions it doesn't really make sense to stick with it.Annie get your Run wrote: »It's probably a good idea to knock it on the head if you're not enjoying it! There are other ways to train by HR and I'm a big fan of that in general so don't let HADD put you off.
Thanks all! I really appreciate the input. Sometimes it feels like messing around in the dark, so it's helpful to hear other people's take on it! To be honest, I don't mind it being monotonous if I felt it was working. It's just that it doesn't seem to be. And you're all right that it's supposed to be enjoyable - it's not like I'm training to break any records or anything! I think I'll give it till the end of the month and reassess, but incorporating a few of his other methods (the slightly higher HR runs, and using 5k pace + 3 mins instead of strict HR numbers) and see if that makes any difference.TFBubendorfer wrote: »HADD (or a similar training) worked very well for me. But you have to take into account that running with a backpack, especially a heavy one, will severely impact on your HR and your effort.
To be honest, when running with a backpack I'd just completely ignore pace and HR and just get the run done while ignoring the numbers.
That's a good point actually, thank you. I've always noticed a fairly significant difference when I run with the backpack, but didn't really know how much of a factor it should be.
How long did you do this kind of training for? Did it take long before you started seeing results, do you remember?0 -
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Monday 6th November - 5.22 miles / 11:47 avg pace / 145 (152) HR avg (max)
Ordered myself a copy of Faster Road Running. Should make for some fun mulling! Ran after work. Ignored the watch and just focused on keeping it relaxed and enjoying it. Pace was slower but effort felt really easy.
Tuesday 7th November - 4.3 miles / 11:11 avg pace / 154 (166) HR avg (max)
First thing in the morning, having not slept that well.Didn't follow HR as such for this, but opted for the other HADD rule of 5k pace + 3 mins, which was roughly where this ended up.
Wednesday 8th November - 6.32 miles / 11:05 avg pace / 148 (156) HR avg (max)
A good 'un, this one. Focused on keeping it relaxed and going by feel, instead of watching the watch, so to speak. Felt really fluid and comfortable throughout. Fresh as a daisy at the end! Entered the Raheny 5 mile. An actual race to think about again! The excitement!
Thursday 9th November - 4 miles / 11:10 avg pace / 154 (165) HR avg (max)
First thing in the morning. Wet and windy. Legs tired from the start. Ignored the watch again, felt like I was going really slowly so surprised by splits. No idea why my heart rate was so high, but apparently it was the same on Tuesday morning when I ran at the same time.
Friday 10th November - 5.9 miles / 11:01 avg pace / 148 (155) HR avg (max)
Hit 1000 miles for the year!!! Pure lovely run too - lunchtime out by the sea at Sandymount.
Saturday 11th November - 8.33 miles / 11:07 avg pace / 149 (162) HR avg (max)
Bit tired before heading out for this in the early evening. Few tough hills, hence the HR.
Sunday 12th November - Rest
Weekly mileage: 34.1 miles
Happy with the week overall. It's obvious that I haven't been half as careful with trying to keep the HR in the HADD-prescribed range, but I must say I've enjoyed the running infinitely more by taking a more casual approach to the numbers. And it has all ended up still in line with his 5k + 3 min rule for people who are extra slow, like moi! So I'm going to allow it, and continue on 0
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