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AllForIt

Does freedom of religion include being allowed to create such a racket. I couldn't care less what views they are expressing, religious or otherwise but I wouldn't think freedom to cause a racket should be a right. It's easy to walk on by and ignore if that's what your were doing anyway but their are cafe's, shops and so on where customers and especially staff have to listen to them for hours which I have personal experience of and I can't tell you they can be a right pain in the arse. If they weren't allowed to use the megaphones then I'd be happy enough with that as compromise.

Annasopra

If we went down the route of banning religious preachers then I think that's going down the route of censorship and opening up an avenue to ban pride parades or political marches. I'm not a fan of religious preaching. As long as they are not preaching hate I have no problem with them. Just walk past as with chuggers. No big deal.

uck51js9zml2yt

gizmo81 wrote: »

I'm o.

the KKK, why is religion that opposes LGBTQ+ sexuality allowed?

Religion isn't freedom, and while the rebels were God fearing, I was using the example as symbolic of the Irish fight for freedom, freedom from outside interference.

Street Preaching is imported.

Imported from where ?? Why are you equating religion with the KKK? I'm not sure I've seen any street preachers wearing pointy hats and burning crosses.

Are you sure you're mental health is ok? there seem to be a lot of disjointed ramblings in your posts ....there you go...ive said it:D

gizmo81

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If we went down the route of banning religious preachers then I think that's going down the route of censorship and opening up an avenue to ban pride parades or political marches. I'm not a fan of religious preaching. As long as they are not preaching hate I have no problem with them. Just walk past as with chuggers. No big deal.

I don't think it's excessive to ask 'street performers' or 'leafletting organisations' to apply for a permit. I remember the anti-gay literature handed out on this street in the run up to the referendum. The stretch of street (GPO To Arnotts) I'm talking about isn't huge so can become overcrowded.

If everyone turned up with an amp chaos would ensue. The reason I started this thread was as well as the usual preachers there was some sort of religious choir dance troupe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but 'chuggers' would all be registered to their own charity and authorities would know how many are on the street. While they annoy me they usually have two on either side of the street and feel spread out.

scopper

gizmo81 wrote: »

I don't think it's excessive to ask 'street performers' or 'leafletting organisations' to apply for a permit. I remember the anti-gay literature handed out on this street in the run up to the referendum. The stretch of street (GPO To Arnotts) I'm talking about isn't huge so can become overcrowded.

It's pretty excessive actually and that's why people are not reacting well (and why it is not required). I'm about as atheist as it gets, but I can't imagine any situation of this kind, with a few dolts handing out leaflets (I've seen them), would make me believe we need to regulate them. We're not talking about people taking in money - like chuggers - but something closer to how we tolerate street performers, because it's not really an important thing to be concerned about. Just do what we all do, ignore them

Also, people are free to hand out any kind of leaflet, racists one or whatever, that's one of our fundamentals in the West. I would say worry less, idiots will be idiots, you can't fix that.

gizmo81

Demi Limited Pointlessly wrote: »

Imported from where ?? Why are you equating religion with the KKK? I'm not sure I've seen any street preachers wearing pointy hats and burning crosses.

Are you sure you're mental health is ok? there seem to be a lot of disjointed ramblings in your posts ....there you go...ive said it:D

gizmo81 wrote: »

I'm only answering to be polite I don't want this to become a thread about acceptance of LGBTQ+

Sexuality isn't a choice no more than skin colour. It is frowned upon to support the KKK, why is religion that opposes LGBTQ+ sexuality allowed?

Religion isn't freedom, and while the rebels were God fearing, I was using the example as symbolic of the Irish fight for freedom, freedom from outside interference.

Street Preaching is imported.

I think you have disappointing views of people with mental health.

Perhaps you could quote me in full.

pjohnson

Make counter leaflets.

Annasopra

scopper wrote: »

Also, people are free to hand out any kind of leaflet, racists one or whatever, that's one of our fundamentals in the West. I would say worry less, idiots will be idiots, you can't fix that.

No they are not. Here in Ireland (like most European countries) racist leaflets depending on their context would be illegal under Irish Law and also European Human Rights Law.

branie2

pjohnson wrote: »

Make counter leaflets.

And give out free copies of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species

SafeSurfer

Deleted User wrote: »

What with religious fundamentalists preaching to me as I walk down the street and capitalist fundamentalists preaching to me via incessant adverts/promotions on radios/papers/tvs, I wish they'd all just fúck off and give my head peace.

I long for a day when I can travel on a bus, wait in a doctor's or dentist's waiting room, or hospital waiting room or airport or train station or indeed anywhere without having radio and tv noise imposed upon my peace and personal space. All these parasitic cúnts trying to get a piece of me with their bullshít buy, buy, buy messages. There should be a law protecting us from this.

Buy a pair of earphones and listen to whales humping.
From your post you sound like a sick person withbad teeth and a penchant for public transport.

uck51js9zml2yt

I'd say the hare krishnas dancing up and down the streets with their tambourines and portable amplifier make more noise than the street preachers.
Why has the op not had a go at them?

Jesus Wept

These people are simple imo.

Samaris

gizmo81 wrote: »

Every year before during and after pride people complain about 'gays pushing it in our faces'. My point is, I don't know if you read the thread, that this happens once a year and the Gay Community are condemned for it.

Why is it acceptable for Street Preachers every day?

I did, yeah, it seemed to be a bit of a red herring. There is a march you approve of, and a few people complain about it, the majority ignore it and a good load of people show up and celebrate it too. With the street preachers, the vast majority ignore them, it may help one or two and it annoys you so you complain about it.

It seemed to go a bit in circles from there.

gizmo81

Samaris wrote: »

I did, yeah, it seemed to be a bit of a red herring. There is a march you approve of, and a few people complain about it, the majority ignore it and a good load of people show up and celebrate it too. With the street preachers, the vast majority ignore them, it may help one or two and it annoys you so you complain about it.

It seemed to go a bit in circles from there.

I can only respond to comments directed to me. If you have a problem i suggest you take it up with the other posters.

The difference with pride and street preachers is pride is once a year, street preachers are there every day. It's rather a simple point people chose not to understand.

KERSPLAT!

gizmo81 wrote: »

I can only respond to comments directed to me. If you have a problem i suggest you take it up with the other posters.

The difference with pride and street preachers is pride is once a year, street preachers are there every day. It's rather a simple point people chose not to understand.

They aren't comparable. And like someone said, ignore the complainers, most have no issue with pride. Most have no issue with street preachers. This is another agenda driven topic, no matter how much you protest against.

Samaris

gizmo81 wrote: »

I can only respond to comments directed to me. If you have a problem i suggest you take it up with the other posters.

The difference with pride and street preachers is pride is once a year, street preachers are there every day. It's rather a simple point people chose not to understand.

Er, I did. Quoted you and everything.

Could turn that around to "pride closes down streets and clogs up the city when it's going on, the preachers are just getting on with it in their own place and don't cause traffic jams."

As it happens, I support Pride day in my local city, but if you're going to drag it in to make a point about street preachers (I'm more or less of an atheist as well, so don't have any particular gra for people shouting about organised religion), then...yeah. It'll get compared.

gizmo81

I can only make arguments with my life experiences.

If you don't want posters to talk about their lives, especially gay lives, then ban me to the LGBTQ+ Forum.

It was a throwaway comment that posters have foamed over the mouth at since. This is not within my control.

I don't know why people keep bringing up they support pride, I couldn't care less. It was a comment on the usual type of comments that appear on articles around pride about pushing it in faces bla bla bla. It wasn't an attack.

gizmo81

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

They aren't comparable. And like someone said, ignore the complainers, most have no issue with pride. Most have no issue with street preachers. This is another agenda driven topic, no matter how much you protest against.

My life, my experiences aren't an agenda. This is your problem that you can't see me as a human rather than an agenda.

Barry Badrinath

gizmo81 wrote: »

My life, my experiences aren't an agenda. This is your problem that you can't see me as a human rather than an agenda.

Well, thats a load of bollox.

I dont know you, I couldnt care less about your sexual orientation nor do you of mine. Maybe you dont realise it but you seem to use your sexual orientation as an implement to bash your points across and validate yourself.

Im sure you dont see it that way but step outside of youself and just read this thread and your posts again.

You go mad at religious preachers doing their thing and go on to justify your hate for them by "being a gay man" and getting "berated once a year".

For someone who demands justice, fairness and tolerance, you dont have much yourself. This projects you as having an agenda to wedge into everything.

You seem to be purposely winding people up and baiting them, throughout most of your threads. You actively want to be disciplined by the Mods too, challenging them to do it so you can use it as ammo for a rant....whatever you are into.

Now I could be wrong but lets face it, Im not.

gizmo81

The thread is about restricting the number of Street Preachers in a small area but you go ahead an make it about whatever you want.

Foxhound38

gizmo81 wrote: »

I find it interesting that it's concentrated in this area.

Would it be tolerated on Grafton Street?

Why should I avoid the streets of the city I was born in?

I don't believe a city should have a no go area every weekend because people are preaching on the street.

Just do what everyone else does - ignore it and move on.

I'm not a fan of organized religion myself, but you're overthinking this OP.

mzungu

gizmo81 wrote: »

My life, my experiences aren't an agenda. This is your problem that you can't see me as a human rather than an agenda.

You appear to be basing your entire identity around the fact that you are a gay man. Whether you mean to or not, you have made it an agenda. But you are only disempowering yourself with the perpetual victimhood lark.

gizmo81

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Just do what everyone else does - ignore it and move on.

I'm not a fan of organized religion myself, but you're overthinking this OP.

Thanks, yeh I do ignore it mostly. I just thought on Saturday it was excessive and warranted a thread if anyone else found it excessive.

They don't lol It's grand.

gizmo81

mzungu wrote: »

You appear to be basing your entire identity around the fact that you are a gay man. Whether you mean to or not, you have made it an agenda. But you are only disempowering yourself with the perpetual victimhood lark.

You can sum up my identity by a thread on boards.ie?

I am not a victim and have never claimed to be. You are projecting victimhood onto me with your own prejudices.

Barry Badrinath

gizmo81 wrote: »

The thread is about restricting the number of Street Preachers in a small area but you go ahead an make it about whatever you want.

No thats not what it is about.

You have been using boards as a soapbox to project hate for organised religion. Its an anti religion thread....ergo...agenda.

You also mention being gay at least 5 times on the first page alone....nobody gives a f.uck.

Barry Badrinath

gizmo81 wrote: »

Thanks, yeh I do ignore it mostly. I just thought on Saturday it was excessive and warranted a thread if anyone else found it excessive.

They don't lol It's grand.

Also just OT.

I do agree with you that its excessive but I ignore it. Now, if you hadnt gone down the rabbit hole on this one, people would have been more receptive.

Have a good one.

pjohnson

gizmo81 wrote: »

The thread is about restricting the number of Street Preachers in a small area but you go ahead an make it about whatever you want.

This is what is started as maybe but you cant resist mentioning your orientation every 3rd post or so. A few people have asked why YOU are bringing sexuality into it.

gizmo81

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

No thats not what it is about.

You have been using boards as a soapbox to project hate for organised religion. Its an anti religion thread....ergo...agenda.

You also mention being gay at least 5 times on the first page alone....nobody gives a f.uck.

I said <snip> once. Now would that mean you have an agenda or just can't count?

whoopsadoodles

gizmo81 wrote: »

I said <snip> once. Now would that mean you have an agenda or just can't count?

Page 1:

gizmo81 wrote: »

Also, as a gay man....

gizmo81 wrote: »

As a gay man I don't understand weakness.

gizmo81 wrote: »

Religion is a choice.

Sexuality is not.

gizmo81 wrote: »

Being gay is a gift, why would anyone avoid it?

gizmo81 wrote: »

Nope, no confusion. gay as Christmas here.

gizmo81

Posts 1-15 are on page one.

My posts are 1, 6, 7, 13.

Post 7 mentions <snip>

whoopsadoodles

gizmo81 wrote: »

Posts 1-15 are on page one.

My posts are 1, 6, 7, 13.

Post 7 mentions <snip>

Your settings are different to mine and SFP

40 posts per page here.

Foxhound38

gizmo81 wrote: »

Thanks, yeh I do ignore it mostly. I just thought on Saturday it was excessive and warranted a thread if anyone else found it excessive.

They don't lol It's grand.

To be fair, at least the overzealous street preachers are occasionally amusing - the overabundance of chuggers in that area on the other hand... :mad:

Barry Badrinath

gizmo81 wrote: »

I said <snip> once. Now would that mean you have an agenda or just can't count?

It means that I am on the mobile touch site and may have different post per page settings than others.

For my previous post to make sense, I needed to apply a degree of lattitude to account for other peoples page and post settings.

Thats what it means.

The only agenda I have is to call out people who are blind to their misgivings and refuse to be true to themselves.

As Jesus himself said once in the Scripture of Barry in 3:18- "Go forth and weed that garden of lies with the hoe of truth, fear not the ignoramus, for their day of judgement will come".

gizmo81

I find the 'chuggers' annoying but they seem spread out, either end of the given street.

Barry Badrinath

gizmo81 wrote: »

I find the 'chuggers' annoying but they seem spread out, either end of the given street.

Now we are talking sense. Those lads are bastards!

So, have you a thing against charity now too? :pac:

DrPhilG

Just catching up here, so sorry if I missed the answer.

If being gay is a gift, who is that gift from?

Ps, no smart remarks about giving/receiving please...

Hotblack Desiato

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

You have been using boards as a soapbox to project hate for organised religion. Its an anti religion thread....ergo...agenda.

Nothing wrong with being anti-religion.

And it's plain as day that if these annoying fuckers were promoting a political party or commercial product in such an annoying manner, they'd be moved on. Because it's religion, they get a free pass.

Barry Badrinath

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being anti-religion.

And it's plain as day that if these annoying fuckers were promoting a political party or commercial product in such an annoying manner, they'd be moved on. Because it's religion, they get a free pass.

I agree.

I was pointing out that the thread was indeed anti-religion and not simply about if people think the number of religious preachers in that area of the city was excessive...

...which is what the OP wrongly proclaimed.

I personally have no time for religion so am not defending them, merely pointing out the OP's inconsistencies.

Rumpy Pumpy

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being anti-religion.

And it's plain as day that if these annoying fuckers were promoting a political party or commercial product in such an annoying manner, they'd be moved on. Because it's religion, they get a free pass.

You serious, pal? Every left wing party and their dog have been hanging around the GPO for years handing out badly produced leaflets, and roaring through megaphones about revolution.

Will I Am Not

I'm different, the world should adjust to my every need and demand.

keano_afc

gizmo81 wrote: »

I'm only answering to be polite I don't want this to become a thread about acceptance of LGBTQ+

Sexuality isn't a choice no more than skin colour. It is frowned upon to support the KKK, why is religion that opposes LGBTQ+ sexuality allowed?

Religion isn't freedom, and while the rebels were God fearing, I was using the example as symbolic of the Irish fight for freedom, freedom from outside interference.

Street Preaching is imported.

You're not a very smart chap really, are you.

As someone who knows a lot of street preachers, your intolerant attitude isnt surprising. Your hatred and bigotry towards those that are different from you is disappointing, its a pity you cant adopt a live and let live attitude. Just because people are different, does it make them less human?

Perhaps opening your eyes to diversity and alternative lifestyles would be a good place to start in treating your intolerance.

gizmo81

To clarify the thread is about the number of religious preachers on the streets of Dublin, particularly a short stretch of one particular street.

I have said people are free to believe in what they want, I do however have an issue with organised religion, the lack of accountability, the respect they are given as a collective and the tax exemptions.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Effects

gizmo81 wrote: »

Also, as a gay man I have to listen to a berating once a year for the pride celebration and commemoration but the Holy Mary's can take over town any day they want.

They don't take over the town. They are the odd deluded soul shouting from a soap box. Not quite the same as pride, and they shouldn't be compared.

gizmo81

gizmo81 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Effects wrote: »

They don't take over the town. They are the odd deluded soul shouting from a soap box. Not quite the same as pride, and they shouldn't be compared.

I have stated numerous times that as well as the preachers and those giving out leaflets there was a choir/dance troupe blocking the main entrance of Arnotts.

The_Valeyard

gizmo81 wrote: »

To clarify the thread is about the number of religious preachers on the streets of Dublin, particularly a short stretch of one particular street.

What is an acceptable number of preachers? 3, 7, 9?

gizmo81 wrote: »

I have said people are free to believe in what they want, I do however have an issue with organised religion, the lack of accountability, the respect they are given as a collective and the tax exemptions.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

Wha? Each group, broadly speaking is only respected by its own members.

At least your honest that you are against organised religion, explains your bias.

The_Valeyard

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being anti-religion.

And it's plain as day that if these annoying fuckers were promoting a political party or commercial product in such an annoying manner, they'd be moved on. Because it's religion, they get a free pass.

I'd take a rambling Preacher over the far left nutters any day. Both have the right to spew their agenda.

pjohnson

gizmo81 wrote: »

I have stated numerous times that as well as the preachers and those giving out leaflets there was a choir/dance troupe blocking the main entrance of Arnotts.

IF this was true I assume Arnotts would have had them moved.

ohnonotgmail

gizmo81 wrote: »

I have stated numerous times that as well as the preachers and those giving out leaflets there was a choir/dance troupe blocking the main entrance of Arnotts.

If they were blocking the main entrance i'm sure that Arnotts staff would ask them to move.

gizmo81

Maybe Arnotts did move them along, I was only there for a short period of time.