Women and Makeup

alberto67

Cosmetics are unhealthy.

retro:electro

Toastytoes wrote: »

Luckily for me I have flawless skin.

Who knew so many men would be so threatened by talk of male pattern baldness. And on After Hours of all places.

Personal issues is that way if you'd like to talk about how it makes you feel

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Alternatively you can talk to Joe.

You had a point at the start but you're just being mean to people now.

neonsofa

Spider Web wrote: »

I think a lot of the time (not all) when guys say they prefer "natural" they mean minimal make-up - it's not as if the models and actresses et al whom they fancy are not wearing make-up in their various pictures. I agree though that less is more. I wear minimal make-up (but it definitely makes me look better) - I have clear skin though, not all women do. I don't understand when really beautiful women with perfect skin wear make-up however.

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Men in the office when I wear full face of makeup the odd time: you're naturally stunning, you're gorgeous without makeup (despite the fact they actually hadn't ever seen me without at least minimal make up)

Same men when I wear no makeup for once: Are you OK, you look really tired.

pickarooney

There's always a point in these threads where someone will insist that men don't actually like women with no make up but they like a little make up, as though men don't know what they want and never see women other no make up.

Why is it so hard to imagine that men actually like the way women look naturally but it's not hard to imagine that women like a natural look on men?

Toastytoes

anna080 wrote: »

You had a point at the start but you're just being mean to people now.

My comments have just been homed in on throughout as if I was personally attacking individual posters, which I was not.

After Hours isn't normally a place one would go to if they were sensitive to a bit of ribbing tbh. I mean it's hardly the long term illness or bereavement forums. It's not like I haven't received mean comments in response but tbh I've more pressing concerns than what gets posted here.. It's idle chatter between strangers on the internet, I won't be shedding tears over it.

Why would anyone take offence to comments from anonymous strangers on the internet? It's not like anyone knows what each other looks like? I'm assuming we're all adults here.

mohawk

One eyed Jack wrote: »

mohawk has no possible way of knowing the motivations or the intent of the vast majority of women any more than I or anyone else does. In suggesting that I should just accept their opinion, they're expecting that I should accept something which flies in the face of (no pun intended) my experience. Neither mohawk nor Bojangles could possibly be aware of my experience or the women I know who would contradict their experience, but at the same time I wouldn't expect any woman to come out and say that they wear makeup for anyone else's benefit but their own, same as I wouldn't expect any guy to come out and say they pump iron for anyone else's benefit but their own.

Weird your experience doesn't tally with some of us ladies. I can offer a couple of reasons why a women might wear makeup.

I am not sure how up on your beauty bloggers you are. Let's say you are. Then you would know how influential they are to quite a lot of young women. You would know how the release of a new eyeshadow palette, release of new brushes or finding a good dupe creates a alot of a buzz and excitement. Girls everywhere saw the look liked it and are now copying it. Makeup is quite literally a hobby for some women. They follow makeup in the same way they have a Michael Kors bag, Alex and Ani bracelets and POCO jeans.

Us women also are known for comparing ourselves to other women. Makeup is a quick fix that allows you to think you might look semi decent standing next to your atttractive friends on a night out. It's silly but no one wants to feel like the ugly person in their social circle.

You may have noticed that anti aging products are big business. Well us ladies do not want to look our ages......,ever. Once you hit a certain age a little touch up can knock a couple years off. This is important and it makes us feel really happy when someone guesses our age goes in too low and acts shocked by the actual age.

Quite a few friends got in the makeup habit as teenagers due to acne. They got so used to wearing it everyday I am told it's hard to break the habit. They used makeup to boost their confidence as they felt self conscious about their acne.

Some of us ladies don't even like makeup and only wear it to big occasions because it's the done thing.

One of reasons I wear makeup to work when I have a big meeting is I think I look more professional and polished. That might be just me though.

On a night out in a club you are going to find women who are trying to meet a guy and have dressed and made themselves up accordingly. No one has said it's never done to be attractive to men. It's more that it tends not to be the main reason most of the time.

TL/DR we are complicated creatures

neonsofa

pickarooney wrote: »

There's always a point in these threads where someone will insist that men don't actually like women with no make up but they like a little make up, as though men don't know what they want and never see women other no make up.

Why is it so hard to imagine that men actually like the way women look naturally but it's not hard to imagine that women like a natural look on men?

Nobody insisted, one person said that they believe a lot of men do.

Spider Web

pickarooney wrote: »

There's always a point in these threads where someone will insist that men don't actually like women with no make up but they like a little make up, as though men don't know what they want and never see women other no make up.

Why is it so hard to imagine that men actually like the way women look naturally but it's not hard to imagine that women like a natural look on men?

I agree, that's why in my case I said "not all".

But I think it can often be the case too - given how men are more interested in me when I wear make-up (I don't wear foundation or lipstick - just a bit of eye make-up) and given that men are usually in no doubt as to the attractiveness of well known women despite never being photographed without make-up.

Do men here who prefer women without make-up include women who have e.g. acne? Genuine question.

retro:electro

Toastytoes wrote: »

My comments have just been homed in on throughout as if I was personally attacking individual posters, which I was not.

After Hours isn't normally a place one would go to if they were sensitive to a bit of ribbing tbh. I mean it's hardly the long term illness or bereavement forums. It's not like I haven't received mean comments in response but tbh I've more pressing concerns than what gets posted here.. It's idle chatter between strangers on the internet, I won't be shedding tears over it.

Why would anyone take offence to comments from anonymous strangers on the internet? It's not like anyone knows what each other looks like? I'm assuming we're all adults here.

I don't know. It seems you're getting pretty personal and insinuating everyone who has a problem with your turn of phrase is a balding fat mess. I agree with your point in theory but your point is invalidated when you get personal with people.

LETHAL LADY

pickarooney wrote: »

There's always a point in these threads where someone will insist that men don't actually like women with no make up but they like a little make up, as though men don't know what they want and never see women other no make up.

Why is it so hard to imagine that men actually like the way women look naturally but it's not hard to imagine that women like a natural look on men?

Why does the vast majority of porn (aimed at men and not all porn I know) depict the women in an unnatural state? Fake tan, boobs, hair extensions, and so on. Genuine question.....What is the difference between preference and reality here for men?

mohawk

pickarooney wrote: »

There's always a point in these threads where someone will insist that men don't actually like women with no make up but they like a little make up, as though men don't know what they want and never see women other no make up.

Why is it so hard to imagine that men actually like the way women look naturally but it's not hard to imagine that women like a natural look on men?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say there is a lot of men in the world and they might be all......,individuals.

If you stop thinking of a gender as a collective stereotypical group then I think it's not that hard to imagine that there is plenty of men who prefer no makeup.

Spider Web

mohawk wrote: »

Weird your experience doesn't tally with some of us ladies. I can offer a couple of reasons why a women might wear makeup.

I am not sure how up on your beauty bloggers you are. Let's say you are. Then you would know how influential they are to quite a lot of young women. You would know how the release of a new eyeshadow palette, release of new brushes or finding a good dupe creates a alot of a buzz and excitement. Girls everywhere saw the look liked it and are now copying it. Makeup is quite literally a hobby for some women. They follow makeup in the same way they have a Michael Kors bag, Alex and Ani bracelets and POCO jeans.

Us women also are known for comparing ourselves to other women. Makeup is a quick fix that allows you to think you might look semi decent standing next to your atttractive friends on a night out. It's silly but no one wants to feel like the ugly person in their social circle.

You may have noticed that anti aging products are big business. Well us ladies do not want to look our ages......,ever. Once you hit a certain age a little touch up can knock a couple years off. This is important and it makes us feel really happy when someone guesses our age goes in too low and acts shocked by the actual age.

Quite a few friends got in the makeup habit as teenagers due to acne. They got so used to wearing it everyday I am told it's hard to break the habit. They used makeup to boost their confidence as they felt self conscious about their acne.

Some of us ladies don't even like makeup and only wear it to big occasions because it's the done thing.

One of reasons I wear makeup to work when I have a big meeting is I think I look more professional and polished. That might be just me though.

On a night out in a club you are going to find women who are trying to meet a guy and have dressed and made themselves up accordingly. No one has said it's never done to be attractive to men. It's more that it tends not to be the main reason most of the time.

TL/DR we are complicated creatures

I know you're not doing this but sometimes the view that women compare themselves to other woman can be used against us (to depict us as competitive). I don't care about what I look like in comparison to other women, honestly. I don't think it's true that we don't want to look our ages ever either.

But I know what you're saying applies to many women, however not all.

Toastytoes

anna080 wrote: »

I don't know. It seems you're getting pretty personal and insinuating everyone who has a problem with your turn of phrase is a balding fat mess. I agree with your point in theory but your point is invalidated when you get personal with people.

I didn't get personal with anyone. I don't know what any of these posters look like. Lots of posters got "personal" with me too if thats what we're calling it.

I didn't insinuate that anyone was a fat baling mess actually, I was saying that it was my reference to baldness which really seemed to upset people.

Is saying that some people may not find baldness attractive the insult of all insults?

One eyed Jack

mohawk wrote: »

Weird your experience doesn't tally with some of us ladies. I can offer a couple of reasons why a women might wear makeup.

I am not sure how up on your beauty bloggers you are. Let's say you are. Then you would know how influential they are to quite a lot of young women. You would know how the release of a new eyeshadow palette, release of new brushes or finding a good dupe creates a alot of a buzz and excitement. Girls everywhere saw the look liked it and are now copying it. Makeup is quite literally a hobby for some women. They follow makeup in the same way they have a Michael Kors bag, Alex and Ani bracelets and POCO jeans.

I don't think it's all that strange in fairness, like of course I've met plenty of the type of women you describe too, but my point was more along the lines of pointing out that your generalisation about women just doesn't tally with evidence that suggests otherwise.

I'd be familiar enough with the various beauty bloggers and trends in fashion, makeup and beauty, because these things are as much a hobby for me too!

Us women also are known for comparing ourselves to other women. Makeup is a quick fix that allows you to think you might look semi decent standing next to your atttractive friends on a night out. It's silly but no one wants to feel like the ugly person in their social circle.

You may have noticed that anti aging products are big business. Well us ladies do not want to look our ages......,ever. Once you hit a certain age a little touch up can knock a couple years off. This is important and it makes us feel really happy when someone guesses our age goes in too low and acts shocked by the actual age.

Quite a few friends got in the makeup habit as teenagers due to acne. They got so used to wearing it everyday I am told it's hard to break the habit. They used makeup to boost their confidence as they felt self conscious about their acne.

Some of us ladies don't even like makeup and only wear it to big occasions because it's the done thing.

One of reasons I wear makeup to work when I have a big meeting is I think I look more professional and polished. That might be just me though.

On a night out in a club you are going to find women who are trying to meet a guy and have dressed and made themselves up accordingly. No one has said it's never done to be attractive to men. It's more that it tends not to be the main reason most of the time.

TL/DR we are complicated creatures

I completely agree with what you're saying, and I never meant to suggest that there was any one reason for why people want to do what they do or have an interest in the things that interest them. I wouldn't see it as any more different than someone else's interest in whatever they're interested in, their motivation is generally neither here nor there for me tbh.

It's as I suggested earlier - completely harmless for the most part, and that's why I don't see the need either why some women feel the need to justify themselves to anyone else for their lifestyle choices, which is generally the way these threads go - guy starts thread about women wearing makeup, women pour in to justify themselves - "I don't wear much", "I wear none", "women don't wear makeup for men", etc. It's the same in the fake tan thread, which is why I haven't even bothered with that one.

The fact that the OP doesn't appear to have bothered coming back to contribute to their own thread since either says a lot - stir shìt, sit back, and the topic will come up again next month, same as the fat threads which always go the same way - women feeling the need to justify themselves again, and again, and again.

These types of threads wouldn't get past the first page if women didn't entertain them, but that's probably a discussion for another thread

harry Bailey esq

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Brown paper bag would come in handy here

I only thanked it for the tits but you could/probably did worse. She's not anyway ugly whatsoever she just has poxy looking eyebrows. I would

harry Bailey esq

Toastytoes wrote: »

I didn't get personal with anyone. I don't know what any of these posters look like. Lots of posters got "personal" with me too if thats what we're calling it.

I didn't insinuate that anyone was a fat baling mess actually, I was saying that it was my reference to baldness which really seemed to upset people.

Is saying that some people may not find baldness attractive the insult of all insults?

You tell em!

_Roz_

I don't really get makeup, personally. My friend is the polar opposite, the first time I saw her as an adult with a complete bare face, I couldn't believe how blotchy her skin was. I suspect it would not be so blotchy if she didn't cover it 24/7 with makeup. Whatever makes her happy is all that matters, but she's a stunning girl anyway and needs very little, not the 1cm thick coating she applies. It does make me wish that people would focus more on accepting themselves as they are and looking for their natural beauty, but I also understand a little bit of makeup can actually do wonders and for the sake of a few minutes a day give bucket loads of confidence to someone. Each to their own.

I got very lucky in meeting a guy who likes women with little or no make up. I'll occasionally put on a little bit (like literally, even out my skin tone so the eyeliner and mascara I put on doesn't look odd) and that's it. More

OldNotWIse

I've three ways of wearing it:

1. at the weekend when I am slumming and I might take the dogs out/ go shopping etc. - eyebrows only (mine are fair and require shading)

2. Work - normal foundation, mascara, blush and lipstick

3. As above but with extra mascara, eyeshadow and liner plus possibly a more bold coloured lipstick.

I don't make any apologies for it. I'm happy with how I look and I feel that makeup simply enhances that. This idea that we all wear the same type of makeup the same way all the time is daft.

I will say however, contouring has become practically fraudulent! :P

_Roz_

OldNotWIse wrote: »

1. eyebrows only (mine are fair and require shading)

3. As above but with extra mascara, eyeshadow and liner plus possibly a more bold coloured lipstick.

This is also where part of my opposition to makeup (for myself) comes from. I don't even see people's eyebrows. When I was 12 (yes, 12) I was accused of plucking mine. I have very fine eyebrows. I was actually speechless. It's just so completely not something that registers on my radar.

Lipstick - cannot wear it. I'm one of those people that any shade of lipstick just looks ridiculous on. Also probably contributes to my dislike of makeup for me.

Also, never apologise for doing what makes you happy

La.de.da

The makeup industry has grown massively the last few years. Some people are just trying to follow trends.
I couldn't be doing with layers upon layers of products on my face just to head out.

I will wear what I've worn with 15years or so. A small bit of foundation, mascara and lipstick.
Have no problem going without it either.

It's just personal preference.

Bambi985

La.de.da wrote: »

The makeup industry has grown massively the last few years. Some people are just trying to follow trends.
I couldn't be doing with layers upon layers of products on my face just to head out.

I will wear what I've worn with 15years or so. A small bit of foundation, mascara and lipstick.
Have no problem going without it either.

It's just personal preference.

It's mental how these things are marketed to women too and you can end up going down a rabbit hole of forking out ridiculous money to have the latest "must-haves" - expensive foundations, brow kits, contouring kits, even extending into skin care with mad expensive serums and moisturisers etc. I'd say instagram and the increase in "influencers" who get paid a fortune to advertise certain brands hasn't helped the cause either.

Brows and contouring seem to be all the rage the last few years and woe betide any woman who chooses to not spend a small fortune on grooming and dressing her brows before leaving the house...

If I totted up all the money I've spent on cosmetics since my 20s I'd probably have a small heart attack! I recently sunk £70 for Charlotte Tilbury's "magic cream" which is depressingly average and I wouldn't rate it above any standard budget moisturiser you'd get for a tenner in Boots...but jesus the online reviews and the marketing made it sound like I was going to get some sort of face-lift...even at 31 I'm still not immune to the bullshyt marketing of it all.

_Roz_

Bambi985 wrote: »

If I totted up all the money I've spent on cosmetics since my 20s I'd probably have a small heart attack! I recently sunk £70 for Charlotte Tilbury's "magic cream" which is depressingly average and I wouldn't rate it above any standard budget moisturiser you'd get for a tenner in Boots.

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

OldNotWIse

_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

Yup, whatever about makeup, creams are definitely not a substitute for diet when it comes to skin. Lots of fruit and veggies, water etc. - serum cant substitute this. As an aside, I've had to incorporate avocado into my diet of late due to dry hair and skin. It really annoys me when people mush avocado onto their skin! It's a superfood, it is amazing for you! Don't squash it up and make it into a cream - just eat it!

whoopsadoodles

_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

I'm not a big make up doer upper. I wear BB cream or foundation and eyeshadow. Nothing else. I don't use expensive creams. In fact I don't use moisturiser at all except when I take a notion to "start looking after my skin" and rub nivea in for a week. I might buy a posh soap every now and again but usually it's dove and a facecloth. I have very good skin. I believe that unfortunately it often comes down to genetics. My mother and grandmother have fantastic skin. My mother has pretty much no lines on her face despite smoking for 30 odd years.

However, while there may be some low cost make up that is as good as the more expensive stuff, I have not found it. Urban decay eyeshadow is certainly better than any cheaper ones I've tried and I used it for years. I now use another brand which is far better again than urban decay. I've tried penneys, rimmel, no.7, gosh (which afaik is made by MAC) and many more. I've tried the cheaper bb creams and the cheaper foundations and they are just not as good at all as the more expensive ones I've tried.

I know there are probably exceptions to the rule that I may have missed, but by the time you've tried and thrown out the crappy versions, you've spent as much as you would have if you'd just bought the better ones in the first place.

Sofiztikated

_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

Mrs Sof works in the beauty industry, and she'd opt for Boots stuff over Urban Decay any day. It's cheap ****e, tarted up to the nines.

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_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

Different strokes for different folk though. My basic skincare routine (6 products) costs me 246 euro. That's a cleanser, toner, exfoliator, serum moisturiser and SPF. I add on extra little bits, eye creams, masks and collagen shots, supplements vitamins etc but that's what I'd class (those 6 items) as essentials.
I use Kevyn aucoin foundation, almost 70 euro per bottle. My lipsticks vary could be NYX to tom ford. My eyeshadows could be as cheap as inglot right through to Mac, charlotte tilbury, urban decay, Anastasia Beverley hills. I contour, il buy different palettes, some cheap products are great, some expensive products are awful. For me I'd look out for highly pigmented product that's easy to work with easy to blend, intensity, longevity, not too much fall out etc. I have a lot of the UD palettes and while they're not my favourites, they're easy to work with, colours suit me, easy to recreate different looks and for the price I think it's worth the money. If I could get a good dupe I'd have no problem using it but it seems like a waste spending 25/30 euro on an imitation ofvthecreal thing for an extra 15 you'd have the real thing and it wears better blends better and lasts all night. A lot of these makeup products are white label anyway so even with the cheaper stuff you're probably still being ripped off.

It'll depend on what you want out of your skin and what you want out of your makeup. If you're happy with your eyeshadow for a few hours on the weekend, its function is enough for you. Someone else might have a harder time getting the look they want with those products so will spend a little more for the slightly better quality/colours. Neither are wrong. People think I'm mad spending 70 on a bottle of foundation but I've lost count of how many cheaper (under 15, in/around 35 etc) bottles I bought and never used because I hated how they looked on me so cheaper isn't always cheaper.

I've no interest in gadgets, I don't change my phone often, I buy all my clothes in high street stores and don't spend a lot of money on socialising or drinking so my money goes on my face. It's something I really enjoy and to me, is money well spent.

neonsofa

Yeah it's not quite true to say the cheap stuff is basically the same as the expensive stuff. Some people have very sensitive skin and cheaper is not always better when it comes to skincare if that's the case. A lot of the cheaper brands tend to use a lot of harsh "filler" ingredients. Even the (i think it was) "simple" range had a lot of alcohol in it last time I checked. Whereas i could spend an extra 10 euro and get a product that has quality ingredients that wont dry out my skin. Its not a case of thinking "if i spend more ill look better" its that sometimes you are paying for better quality products. Its about the content fir me rather than the cost.

Eyeshadow in particular I have found really does differ depending on the quality. Quality is not always synonymous with cost with but there is a reason for the higher price tag in a lot of cases-sometimes it is branding but with a lot of stuff it is due to the ingredients used. How blendable eyeshadows are is the most important thing for me and I've bought many a cheap palette only to end up with powder that doesn't blend at all.

Highlighters that are cheaper tend to have a lot of glitter chunks in them as opposed to the higher end ones. And I hate the glitter ball look so id splash out on highlighters for the more glossy wet look. My fave one was a brand i had never heard of but costed a bit more, but it's exactly what I wanted.

Pac1Man

I washed my face with Fairy liquid this morning. Quite hard to fully rinse off but I appreciate the lemon zest.

Neyite

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Different strokes for different folk though. My basic skincare routine (6 products) costs me 246 euro. That's a cleanser, toner, exfoliator, serum moisturiser and SPF. I add on extra little bits, eye creams, masks and collagen shots, supplements vitamins etc but that's what I'd class (those 6 items) as essentials.

I have none of those essentials

I ran out of moisturiser about this time last year so I'm using up the leftover aftersun that's probably out of date I found in the bathroom cabinet. I was away on a European City destination last November and brought it and got the piss ripped out of me for bringing aftersun. I use baby wipes to take off makeup when I can bother to put it on every couple of weeks. I use a facecloth with shower gel so I guess that's kind of exfoliating and..um.. that's it. I'm terrible really.

osarusan

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Different strokes for different folk though. My basic skincare routine (6 products) costs me 246 euro.

How long would they last you?

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Neyite wrote: »

I have none of those essentials

I ran out of moisturiser about this time last year so I'm using up the leftover aftersun that's probably out of date I found in the bathroom cabinet. I was away on a European City destination last November and brought it and got the piss ripped out of me for bringing aftersun. I use baby wipes to take off makeup when I can bother to put it on every couple of weeks. I use a facecloth with shower gel so I guess that's kind of exfoliating and..um.. that's it. I'm terrible really.

If you're low maintenance get yourself a packet of microfibre cloths (1.99 for 4 in mr price) and use them to clean your face and remove product. You don't need to use soap or shower gel, just warm water. No wipes. Wipes bad.
The microfibre cloth will take off makeup and leave your skin feeling clean with just water.

Osarusan: approx 3 months

njs030

_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

You're not into it - doesn't mean it's not worthwhile or that people who do like it are somehow falling for something.

Of course the odd time there's a good cheap version of a product but high end products do a lot more than cover your skin -
The high end foundation will have moisturising ingredients in it, probably hyaluronic acids to plump your skin up and make it look it's best and it's highly likely it will have added spf for sun protection. All that and 12 hours later it's still fresh while the cheap one is long gone patchy and slipped away.


Your face is the first thing people see and how they remember you, what's wrong with caring about that

osarusan

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Osarusan: approx 3 months

That's not too bad. I was worried that it was going to be a week or 10 days or something.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

osarusan wrote: »

That's not too bad. I was worried that it was going to be a week or 10 days or something.

It's grand like, initial outlay is expensive but it's approx 80 per month, less than 3 euro per day. I'm okay with 3 euro a day

suicide_circus

It won't surprise any of us to learn that some 85% of consumer purchases are made by women.

_Kaiser_

Meh.. I dunno, unless it's orange and with drawn-on eyebrows I can't say I mind it.. but then again, it's not "for" me it's done so if they're happy then that's what matters

Dunno how you ladies do it TBH. I was recently asked to pick up some "black eye liner" in Dunnes and was massively confused at the choices. Even the assistant lady I asked to help struggled a bit to find just black.

I wouldn't buy into those male-targeted products either. I'm told I look about 5 years younger than I am though so that'll do me

OldNotWIse

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Meh.. I dunno, unless it's orange and with drawn-on eyebrows I can't say I mind it.. but then again, it's not "for" me it's done so if they're happy then that's what matters

Dunno how you ladies do it TBH. I was recently asked to pick up some "black eye liner" in Dunnes and was massively confused at the choices. Even the assistant lady I asked to help struggled a bit to find just black.

I wouldn't buy into those male-targeted products either. I'm told I look about 5 years younger than I am though so that'll do me

Yup. My 94 year old gran passes for 70, my 65 year old mam looks early fifties, and I often get asked for I.D (ironically, when I am not wearing makeup). No amount of money will buy good genes

retro:electro

_Roz_ wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can fall for that stuff tbh. There is a limitation to what cream soaking into your skin can do for you. Nothing is going to give you the effects of a facelift other than facelift.

I buy everything cheap in boots. I have a couple friends who buy like Urban Decay palettes etc. I can't see an iota of difference between their makeup and mine (when I wear it). Theirs might last a little longer - mine lasts the work day or the night it needs to last. I really think it's all a money making racket. One of my friends notes it the odd time too - 'wow, this cheaper one is actually really good.' Yep, yep it is.

That's good for you- but it's not universally true. The skincare I'm using at the moment is formulated by a cosmetic doctor and a nutritionist. They are paraben and preservative free, and although kind of pricey, they work for me. I've used everything you can buy in Boots, and I'll hand on heart say I'd never put a Nivea product near my skin again. My skin actually goes on fire when I use that. I much prefer to invest in good skincare where I know the people behind the product know their sh|t, and put money into the formula and as a result the product has the best ingredients my skin needs.

For me, personally I need a more targeted formula for my skin's concerns, rather than a generic Ponds cream that you can buy for a fiver. For some people, Ponds does them fine and I'd love to be one of those people for whom coconut oil is all they need on their faces, but I'm not. When I don't use my good skin care, my skin hates me for it and reacts and I'll pay the price. I can only get it online so if I'm ever caught short and I run out and have to use the cheap stuff, I'll be making up for it for about a week. Also Urban Decay eyeshadows are fantastic and I've palettes from them that have lasted me 5+ years.

Galwayguy35

Traveller women go a bit mad on the face paint all right, bit surprised they don't know the right amount to put on because they would be young people in their 20s.

_Roz_

With my original comment, I was referring solely to heavily advertised magical sounding expensive cream, not make up. I don't use any skincare products, I just use soap and water, and the odd facemask to clean my pores.

Two of my best friends, as I said, are heavily into wearing thick layers of makeup. I'm hardly going to judge people who do it and say they shouldn't. Except maybe occasionally to the friend who looks more attractive without it, but that's not 'you shouldn't spend all that money on makeup!' it's 'you're obscuring your natural beauty with oil, cream and charcoal.' But that's also just my opinion; she's happy, and that's what matters.

Widdershins

_Roz_ wrote: »

With my original comment, I was referring solely to heavily advertised magical sounding expensive cream, not make up. I don't use any skincare products, I just use soap and water, and the odd facemask to clean my pores.

Two of my best friends, as I said, are heavily into wearing thick layers of makeup. I'm hardly going to judge people who do it and say they shouldn't. Except maybe occasionally to the friend who looks more attractive without it, but that's not 'you shouldn't spend all that money on makeup!' it's 'you're obscuring your natural beauty with oil, cream and charcoal.' But that's also just my opinion; she's happy, and that's what matters.

My mother's like you in that respect. She still looks very young now. That's her skin type, though. I can't use any soap apart from liquid soap for handwashing and I can't use shower gels or anything like that. I have to use an oil based cleanser on my face and forego things like shower gel because they make my skin dry and tight. Without a moisturiser my face would also be uncomfortable, so I've been using it for years now, since I was 16, and I have great skin. I started with Nivea but I do notice a big difference between skincare of different price ranges.

_Roz_

My skin isn't amazing, but at long as it's relatively standard (not too dry from washing too intensely, not too oily from not washing enough) and not spotty, then meh. It's a face. It's better than no face. I used to use moisturizer, my skin got too oily, and any time I use face washes or gels/creams for reducing spot development, I always get more spots than I had before, so I go back to soap and water and it clears. Maybe more expensive stuff would also clear it, but hey, water is free! (so far.)

dancingqueen

wotzgoingon wrote: »

OP here my last girlfriend was a model and wore no makeup when we were together as I told her I did not like it.

I am glad for her that she isn't your girlfriend any more - if any man told me not to wear something because he didn't like it, he would get a kick up the posterior

Widdershins

_Roz_ wrote: »

My skin isn't amazing, but at long as it's relatively standard (not too dry from washing too intensely, not too oily from not washing enough) and not spotty, then meh. It's a face. It's better than no face. I used to use moisturizer, my skin got too oily, and any time I use face washes or gels/creams for reducing spot development, I always get more spots than I had before, so I go back to soap and water and it clears. Maybe more expensive stuff would also clear it, but hey, water is free! (so far.)

Your skins tricky but you've found something that works and it's cheap so that's great. Layers of makeup would make it more tricky too so you're as well off not doing that.

It's funny how different the different skin types are. I've never ever had a spot but I'd feel awful if I went a week without daily moisturiser.

_Roz_

@dancingqueen: Nobody should be told what to do, although wotzgoingon's post might be more 'she knew I wasn't into it, so didn't bother'. I hope!

My partner doesnt like women who wear heavy amounts of makeup. I used to wear it a lot more, but I prefer not to bother so he kind of gives me a reason to chill out about it. I don't need to look pretty for anyone but him! (and myself. )

_Roz_

Widdershins wrote: »

Your skins tricky but you've found something that works and it's cheap so that's great. Layers of makeup would make it more tricky too so you're as well off not doing that.

It's funny how different the different skin types are. I've never ever had a spot but I'd feel awful if I went a week without daily moisturiser.

I actually wish I could use those products. The cheaper ones, I don't care enough to use expensive ones. But when I did use them, I enjoyed the process in the mornings and evenings of taking a few minutes of 'me' time and applying different things to my skin. It made me feel good. Unfortunately, my skin disagreed, so now I don't.

I get my pampered feeling from face masks

njs030

_Roz_ wrote: »

and any time I use face washes or gels/creams for reducing spot development, I always get more spots than I had before, so I go back to soap and water and it clears. Maybe more expensive stuff would also clear it, but hey, water is free! (so far.)

If it happens after a few days of using a new product it's a good thing, it's your skin getting rid of the dirt. If you see it through you'll have much cleaner happier skin at the end!
It's called purging if you want to read about it

_Roz_

notjustsweet wrote: »

If it happens after a few days of using a new product it's a good thing, it's your skin getting rid of the dirt. If you see it through you'll have much cleaner happier skin at the end!
It's called purging if you want to read about it

My skin is pretty happy and clean (not oily, dry or spotty) with water and soap, though. Or seems to be. Again, not really an expert! And as Widdershins says, the fact I don't wear makeup means there's less to clean, so I guess that makes it easier for water and soap to work.

njs030

_Roz_ wrote: »

My skin is pretty happy and clean (not oily, dry or spotty) with water and soap, though. Or seems to be. Again, not really an expert! And as Widdershins says, the fact I don't wear makeup means there's less to clean, so I guess that makes it easier for water and soap to work.

Well if you're happy that's good, other people might be interested in knowing- it comes up quite a bit in the beauty forums.

_Roz_

notjustsweet wrote: »

Well if you're happy that's good, other people might be interested in knowing- it comes up quite a bit in the beauty forums.

Yup, I definitely didn't know it. Might give it a try if I find a product I like the idea of using.