Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing?

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This was war time and Germany was falling apart early 1945. Germany was having a hard time feeding it own people.

I take it you have no evidence there was any mass executions of Jews at Belsen, right? If i am wrong please provide even 1 eyewitness account where he/her saw Nazis line up Jews and shoot them?

You're faiing to understand the difference here. Did the Nazis intentionally kill the Jews? Or and seems to the case the war and conditions at the camp broken down and Jews at the camp got sick and died.

This has already been said to you but perhaps this time it will get through your skull. Belsen was NOT a death camp. The purpose of bergen-belsen was somewhat unique. it was created to hold jewish prisoners (i.e. people guilty of being jewish) so that they could later be exchanged for german soldiers held as prisoners of war by the allies. The conditions therefore are naturally going to be an improvement on a death camp like auschwitz. A dead prisoner being much more difficult to exchange.

Again your failure to do basic research is just an embarrassment for you.

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod:

Shut up about the holocaust. Bloody hell...

Cheerful Spring, I don't know where you could continue denying the holocaust if you wanted to, but After Hours isn't it.

Cheerful Spring

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod:

Shut up about the holocaust. Bloody hell...

Cheerful Spring, I don't know where you could continue denying the holocaust if you wanted to, but After Hours isn't it.

I never brought it up in first place maybe read the thread first before calling me out on it.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

This has already been said to you but perhaps this time it will get through your skull. Belsen was NOT a death camp. The purpose of bergen-belsen was somewhat unique. it was created to hold jewish prisoners (i.e. people guilty of being jewish) so that they could later be exchanged for german soldiers held as prisoners of war by the allies. The conditions therefore are naturally going to be an improvement on a death camp like auschwitz. A dead prisoner being much more difficult to exchange.

Again your failure to do basic research is just an embarrassment for you.

And yet posters where quick to post links to photographs of mass graves at Belsen!

A Little Pony

You would need to be an absolute lunatic to not believe the mass genocide of the Jewish people during WW2. Anyone denying it never explains how so many people just disappeared, the photos showing bodies piled up on top of one another, the huge pits full of bodies, ovens with skeletons in them and so on. 

It's the most stupid denial of a historical reality ever.

jmayo

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod:

Shut up about the holocaust. Bloody hell...

Cheerful Spring, I don't know where you could continue denying the holocaust if you wanted to, but After Hours isn't it.

Actually can we hang on please for a moment.

There is a debate here about if the site is far right wing or not, and probably ultimately if it is really nazi/neo nazi.

One can't really discuss the nazis without mentioning their slaughters and extermination policies, especially the holocaust and their treatment of others particularly in Eastern Europe.

Besides I don't think I have ever found someone defending nazi treatment of Jews and Chairman Mao at the same time.

Also Cheerful Spring might be doing us a service here.
Has any other posters come out and offered excuses for the nazis or backed them up ?
If not then how can we consider the site to be rabid right wing i.e. nazi/neo nazi ?

Arghus

topper75 wrote: »

In all the years hanging around this site, one thing I don't ever recall is a mod picking up on a post because it was too left wing.

Conclude what you will from that.

You could conclude that there isn't actually many extreme left wingers around.

Mr. CooL ICE

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I never brought it up in first place maybe read the thread first before calling me out on it.

I never said you did

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

And yet posters where quick to post links to photographs of mass graves at Belsen!

Let this be the last post about the holocaust

Mr. CooL ICE

jmayo wrote: »

Actually can we hang on please for a moment.

Mod:

Lets not. Thread is about boards.ie being right-wing and as soon as the holocaust started being discussed, it all got a bit weird. And not an AH type of weird.

Permabear

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Grayson

I said

And yes, you mentioned some benefits that women have. However women aren't provided with better education.

So you replied with.

Yes they are. There are more women third level graduates across the board in Ireland. Sounds like better education to me, but of course that doesn't fit your script.

How does that prove that women are provided better educations? Women have the exact same opportunities as men in that regard. And the education they receive isn't different to the one men receive. When I did maths I didn't notice a secret women's maths class (Then again, if it was secret, would I notice it?)

And if you want to disprove intersectionality then try it. Don't just mask an insult to me. It's simple set theory. Some people belong in groups that are at a higher risk. When you are in multiple groups then your chances of something bad happening increases. In this way you can see that risk is higher for certain members of sub sets, but not all.

So if in the US you have an X chance of going to prison, that increases if you're male, that increases again if you're young and that increases again if you're poor and finally it increases again if you're black.
It doesn't mean that if you belong to all those groups you will go to jail. And it doesn't mean that if you're not in any of them you won't. It just identifies certain characteristics that increases your risk.

A Little Pony

The great leap forward literally starved millions of Chinese people, Mao was a horrendous person with a crap ideology. Numbers from 17 to 55 million people died in that tyrannical period. Stalin and Mao always outdo Hitler on the number count.

Cheerful Spring

jmayo wrote: »

But doesn't it depend on the way you go about it.

What is your opinion on Stalin and his 5 year plans to transform the Soviet Union ?

Sure , but Mao intention was to modernise China’s economy. He did not set out to mass murder, he set out to make China a better place to live

And we know the main cause of the deaths in 1959 to 1960 was due to the bad weather ie floods and drought. China experienced a famine. China had not enough food to feed it's people. China was communist and enemy of America and right started claiming the Chinese were deliberately not feeding it's people, a lie.

Stalin never researched him. All i know is the Soviet economy fell apart trying to match the US economy.

Cheerful Spring

A Little Pony wrote: »

The great leap forward literally starved millions of Chinese people, Mao was a horrendous person with a crap ideology. Numbers from 17 to 55 million people died in that tyrannical period. Stalin and Mao always outdo Hitler on the number count.

False. This video debunks everything the right ( Fox News) has said about Mao.

wotswattage

There was a thread back along where some guy was moaning that his life was a misery after losing his relatively well paying job and having to make do with a minimum wage job for the time being. He was partly complaining about his own life and partly feeling sorry for/opening a discussion about minimum wage living standards in Ireland.

It seemed most of the posters replying had the attitude that someone who finds themselves on the minimum wage is either too lazy or too stupid to better themselves and deserved nothing other than a miserable life. I guess it's not storm front type right wing but God help us all if the people posting on that thread are left in charge...

The reading of that thread kind of stopped me posting on boards much.

Permabear

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Yeah_Right

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Sure , but Mao intention was to modernise China’s economy. He did not set out to mass murder, he set out to make China a better place to live.

That's cool then. He had good intentions. The fact several million people died is inconsequential.

bananabread12

There is no left vs right - the whole idea of it is an outdated concept. In fact, if you look back to the French Revolution initially the free market capitalists were the left-wingers.

There is no left vs. right - it's simply the State and it's statutory monopolisation vs. You.

Cheerful Spring

Yeah_Right wrote: »

That's cool then. He had good intentions. The fact several million people died is inconsequential.

Watch the video. The guy has researched the topic and you learn the truth. If you want to believe the crazy American right, is correct that's on you. Chinese scholars and historians do not see Mao as a mass murderer.

professore

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Myths by the right. Mao changed Changed China for the better. Poverty decreased and Chinese families could not feed themselves. Mao start providing free health care and education to the Chinese for the first time.

There is no evidence Mao slaughtered 50 million people. People died during times of faminei, that happened in 1958 ( lasted 3 years) And the right wing (America) blamed Mao for killing he's people.

This from a right wing site :eek:

Cheerful Spring

professore wrote: »

This from a right wing site :eek:

Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, i pretty sure he's not a Nazi ( if you referring to the video channel?)

Mass murder myths if you google are found often on sites owned by American business people. They are the people who support the republican party and watch Fox news.

professore

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would need to be an absolute lunatic to not believe the mass genocide of the Jewish people during WW2. Anyone denying it never explains how so many people just disappeared, the photos showing bodies piled up on top of one another, the huge pits full of bodies, ovens with skeletons in them and so on. 

It's the most stupid denial of a historical reality ever.

Not to mention the huge amount of detailed eyewitness accounts.

Academic

Regarding Mao, people would do well to stop grabbing stuff off of the internet, as if simply being online was some indication of reliability, and take a look at some real scholarship.

As starting points I'd suggest

• People's China: A Brief History by Craig Dietrich Oxford University Press -- a short but reliable overview.
• Mao's Last Revolution by Roderick MacFarquhar Belknap Press of Harvard University Press -- a more comprehensive history.

To cut to the chase, Mao simply lost control of the forces he unleashed in the cultural revolution, resulting in much loss of life and other bad stuff.

Permabear

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Ulysses Gaze

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Watch the video. The guy has researched the topic and you learn the truth. If you want to believe the crazy American right, is correct that's on you.

What research has he done?

You decry a Dutch Historian who was given unprecedented access to Chinese Communist files from the period, speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese and lives in Hong Kong and lectures extensively on the subject of China.

Why?

Is it because he paints Mao for what he was. A psychopath.

Arghus

This lad is beyond arguing with. He's the worlds greatest scholar of Chinese History, based on a video from youtube. All his patchy biased "evidence" is, in his eyes, totally objective and unquestionable and he can't find anything to refute it - even though Google is...right...there.

Critical thinking my arse. You are brainwashed.

professore

Go to China. Mention Taiwan. Say something bad about Mao. Try getting on any internet fora. See what happens.

My daughter has actually been there, so I have first hand experience of this.

Academic

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Watch the video. The guy has researched the topic and you learn the truth. If you want to believe the crazy American right, is correct that's on you. Chinese scholars and historians do not see Mao as a mass murderer.

You can't really believe this.

I have a colleague who's a Chinese historian, by which I mean that she's both Chinese by birth and has Chinese history as her chief research area. She's the one who recommended to me the two books I mentioned a few posts back.

She would find your claim amusing.

Ulysses Gaze

Academic wrote: »

Regarding Mao, people would do well to stop grabbing stuff off of the internet, as if simply being online was some indication of reliability, and take a look at some real scholarship.

As starting points I'd suggest

• People's China: A Brief History by Craig Dietrich Oxford University Press -- a short but reliable overview.
• Mao's Last Revolution by Roderick MacFarquhar Belknap Press of Harvard University Press -- a more comprehensive history.

To cut to the chase, Mao simply lost control of the forces he unleashed in the cultural revolution, resulting in much loss of life and other bad stuff.

I'd also recommend Mao's Great Famine; The Story of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe by Frank Dikötter

professore

The big lesson from both left and right is if you go too far unquestioning in either direction, some ass will hijack it and make it into a brutal dictatorship, with free speech, pulling down statues (cough) and burning books the first things to go. If there are things you "cannot" say then you are on the road to that future.

Cheerful Spring

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I'd also recommend Mao's Great Famine; The Story of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe by Frank Dikötter

Yang Jisheng a Independant Chinese scholar disagrees with Frank Dikötter and even calls him out and rubbished the claims he made.

https://insideoutchina.blogspot.ie/2011/12/yang-rebuts-dikotter-on-famine-research.html

Frank Dikötter also had to change the original book cover when it was discovered he was using a picture from 1946 and was using it to depict a starving child during Mao reign.

foxtrot101

Permabear wrote: »

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Bit ironic given that emigration outstripped immigration by 141,000 during that period and 228,000 Irish nationals became immigrants in other countries.

Cheerful Spring

Academic wrote: »

You can't really believe this.

I have a colleague who's a Chinese historian, by which I mean that she's both Chinese by birth and has Chinese history as her chief research area. She's the one who recommended to me the two books I mentioned a few posts back.

She would find your claim amusing.

Nice story how do i verify this?

And your two authors are Westernized. They have been thought to think of Mao as a mass murder. Do you think Harvard is teaching American kids the good stuff about Socialism and Mao, i doubt it.

Kimbot

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nice story how do i verify this?

And your two authors are Westernized. They have been thought to think of Mao as a mass murder. Do you think Harvard is teaching America kids the good things about Socialism and Mao, i doubt it.

MOD Cheerful Spring - The topic of the thread is "Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing", this has descended into a discussion on the holocaust and now into a discussion about Mao. Bring it back onto topic now or don't post in this thread again.

Academic

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nice story how do i verify this?

And your two authors are Westernized. They have been thought to think of Mao as a mass murder. Do you think Harvard is teaching America kids the good things about Socialism and Mao, i doubt it.

Like everyone's telling you, stop grabbing garbage off the internet and go to the library. It also would be nice if you'd read what you post before you post it: one is hard-pressed to find a single sentence without bizarre problems of one sort or another.

Cheerful Spring

Arghus wrote: »

This lad is beyond arguing with. He's the worlds greatest scholar of Chinese History, based on a video from youtube. All his patchy biased "evidence" is, in his eyes, totally objective and unquestionable and he can't find anything to refute it - even though Google is...right...there.

Critical thinking my arse. You are brainwashed.

I have researched it, the video was just for people who are clueless. The guy narrating the video believed like you guys do now Mao was a mass murder. When he started researching for himself, he found out the truth.

Cheerful Spring

jonnycivic wrote: »

MOD Cheerful Spring - The topic of the thread is "Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing", this has descended into a discussion on the holocaust and now into a discussion about Mao. Bring it back onto topic now or don't post in this thread again.

Why you calling me out? If you got an issue talk to everyone as they too are rambling about the same subject.

Kimbot

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why you calling me out? If you got an issue talk to everyone as they too are rambling about the same subject.

MOD You were already told to stop it earlier on in the thread and to get around that you brought the discussion onto Mao again and you are the one driving the discussion on Mao with various other users. If you want to discuss these topics then find the appropriate forum on Boards but After Hours is not it. Also questioning a mod decision on thread is against the rules:

A warning from a mod may be issued on the thread you are posting on. It may also be sent via private message or by infracting a poster. Heed these warnings as they are given for a reason. If you wish to query an on thread warning please do so via a private message to the moderator. If private messaging a moderator to query a warning please do not abuse the moderator. We have a hard enough job here as it is.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057770394

Now as I have already said, bring it back on topic or don't post in this thread again.

Cheerful Spring

jonnycivic wrote: »

MOD You were already told to stop it earlier on in the thread and to get around that you brought the discussion onto Mao again and you are the one driving the discussion on Mao with various other users. If you want to discuss these topics then find the appropriate forum on Boards but After Hours is not it. Also questioning a mod decision on thread is against the rules:



http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057770394

Now as I have already said, bring it back on topic or don't post in this thread again.

False. I was asked by Nicholas Cage ( i like the online name) to stop talking about the holocust and i did stop. If you read the thread, other posters wanted to keep talking about it! You miss this? And then Mao was mentioned by a poster afterwards and that post was directed at me? Should i not reply? And Nicholas Cage never said stop talking about Mao.

Ganging up on me, is an asshole move, fine you dont agree with me, but there is other people here replying to me and too wanted to talkabout the Holocust and Mao, tell them to stop posting about it?

Kimbot

MOD Thread is temp closed, normal service will resume shortly.

Kimbot

MOD Cheeful Spring banned from the thread for ignoring mod instruction.

Everyone else stay on topic. Thread re-opened.

jmayo

jonnycivic wrote: »

MOD Cheerful Spring - The topic of the thread is "Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing", this has descended into a discussion on the holocaust and now into a discussion about Mao. Bring it back onto topic now or don't post in this thread again.

jonnycivic wrote: »

MOD Cheeful Spring banned from the thread for ignoring mod instruction.

Everyone else stay on topic. Thread re-opened.

Ahhh.
At the risk of getting slapped by mods, I think the zealous modding here is doing us all a great disservice.

One poster, god bless them, has managed to get some sort of agreement from both posters seen to be on the left and those seen to be on the right.

I say they should be commended for uniting us rather than sanctioned.

Hell even Grayson is now by all accounts a right winger.

Also this is After Hours where we are also meant to have some leeway, and the odd bit of entertainment.

PS Grayson you will now have to make your own uniforms, get your own shirts, armbands and flags.
This is not the left, you are now on the right.
Free market economics deem you provide your own paraphernalia.

gizmo81

Wibbs wrote: »

Dantian wrote: »

Non-whites, non-christians, non-hetero, and non-males, have been disadvantaged and SJW's shout about privledge because it's a thing - you dont appreciate it because as a white christan hetero man you dont notice it.

Which is fine, but this notion can founder on the rocks of reality on a few fronts. Take western men and western women. Women are less privileged is the given? Slight problem with that. If you're an average Irish woman you will live longer, be better educated, get paid more(until kids come along and even that's debatable), have more social and societal support and will suffer far less from suicide, addiction, homelessness, physical violence. These are facts, not conjecture. So tell Irish men how "privileged" they are again? At this point I have little doubt that many "feminists" are sticking their fingers in their ears. As for christians(which outside of say the US, few enough would be close to practicing), what privilege do they have in Asia, the ME? Which kind of christian? Catholics have historically and not so historically gotten the pooey end of the stick in a few places, in other places Protestants did.

This is the inconsistency that is consistent problem with the modern "liberal" worldview. You would lump together a working class Catholic man with a middle class Protestant man and claim they share a privilege, just by dint of their cock and balls and lack of melanoma. Who is more "privileged" in Ireland today? A welfare class white male from a sink estate, or a middle class Nigerian female doctor?

Ever heard of intersectionality?

BalcombeSt4

There is a lot of far-right nutters on boards like Fratton Fred & Scumlord who are some of the main ones but there was a thread on here the other day were people calling for people related to terrorists to be exiled or shot and just other stupid **** you'd expect to find on a site like stormfront..

There's a few left-wing Marxists on here like myself but very small compared to the right.

Mod: banned

kunst nugget

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

There is a lot of far-right nutters on boards like Fratton Fred & Scumlord

I would have thought the views of the above were mild enough compared to some others on the site.

Doltanian

Boards.ie is chock-a-block full of of Trotskyite hard left liberals who would rather have Islamic Terror everyday in Ireland than tackle the problem, this website is totally full of hard left antifa hypocrites who label anyone with a differing opinion as a racist and politically incorrect. Is boards.ie extremly right wing? No but it is extremly left-wing and full of liberal posters who sympathise with antifa terrorism, islamic terror and all manner of socialism, communism, Trotskyites and spend their sad pathetic life defending the indefensible when most normal people lead real lifes. 5,000+ post counts is a hint at it.

Samaris

Doltanian wrote: »

Boards.ie is chock-a-block full of of Trotskyite hard left liberals who would rather have Islamic Terror everyday in Ireland than tackle the problem, this website is totally full of hard left antifa hypocrites who label anyone with a differing opinion as a racist and politically incorrect. Is boards.ie extremly right wing? No but it is extremly left-wing and full of liberal posters who sympathise with antifa terrorism, islamic terror and all manner of socialism, communism, Trotskyites and spend their sad pathetic life defending the indefensible when most normal people lead real lifes. 5,000+ post counts is a hint at it.

See, this is where people start getting those notions. Because people disagree with you (and no, I'd say we have a fair mix of posters from all across the spectrum, although things have become more polarised in the last two years or so), they are not just left-wing, but "chock-a-block full of Trotskyite hard-left liberals who would rather have Islamic Terror everyday in Ireland than tackle the problem". Which is patently bullsh*t.

Like, there's making an observation and then leaping three miles over the point straight to Conclusions. Tbh, I think the problem is a lot more to do with the snowflake views of "everyone is out to get me, MY opinions are right, they don't share MY opinions so they are to the left of Lenin*!" as opposed to maybe considering if you personally are a tad to the right of most people. It's all based on averages, after all. If everyone else (aka, the "chock-a-block") is disagreeing with you, it is more likely, on balance, that it is you that are on a different wavelength rather than that ALL OF BOARDS is tuned to Radio Trotski.


*Or, alternatively, to the right of Pinochet.

MOH

super_furry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/884753135893446656

The longer this thread goes on, the more appropriate this tweet seems.

I read the first page, then jumped straight to the last page.

That escalated quickly.

Captain Obvious

Doltanian wrote: »

Boards.ie is chock-a-block full of of Trotskyite hard left liberals who would rather have Islamic Terror everyday in Ireland than tackle the problem, this website is totally full of hard left antifa hypocrites who label anyone with a differing opinion as a racist and politically incorrect. Is boards.ie extremly right wing? No but it is extremly left-wing and full of liberal posters who sympathise with antifa terrorism, islamic terror and all manner of socialism, communism, Trotskyites and spend their sad pathetic life defending the indefensible when most normal people lead real lifes. 5,000+ post counts is a hint at it.

So you complain about being labeled as racist for your view yet in the same post label everyone who disagrees with you as terrorist sympathisers.

L1011

Anyone making the claim in the title never saw the Politics Cafe before the pre-approval rules came in and it was riddled with reregs of reregs...