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Retr0gamer

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

I feel assassin's creed as a franchise hasn't even lived up to half of its potential. On paper it has everything to be one of the best series of all time but it just kinda hangs there in mediocrity. Shame but that's pure Ubisoft isn't it

It was sold as Hitman in the middle east and it's just been the ubisoft open world template. The recent Hitman is what it should have been

Was the original assassin's creed the groundwork for the ubisoft vast world of sweet FA or was there others before that?
Really wish they'd cop themselves on and release proper games. They always strike me as a company that should've been absorbed by ea or Activision 10 years ago

Sephiroth_dude

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

Was the original assassin's creed the groundwork for the ubisoft vast world of sweet FA or was there others before that?
Really wish they'd cop themselves on and release proper games. They always strike me as a company that should've been absorbed by ea or Activision 10 years ago

Hopefully they won't be absorbed by anyone! E.a have ruined enough companies !

Oh totally agree, it's just ubisoft have always struck me as a company with just enough potential to be poached but not enough to really play with the big boys. I wouldn't wish an ea takeover on my worst enemy

mrkiscool2

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

I feel assassin's creed as a franchise hasn't even lived up to half of its potential. On paper it has everything to be one of the best series of all time but it just kinda hangs there in mediocrity. Shame but that's pure Ubisoft isn't it

I always thought 2 and Brotherhood were amazing. Recently replayed 3 and man, if it wasn't for Connor being such an unlikable and uncharismatic protagonist and the longest tutorial in video game history (it's like 5 sequences!), it would have been one of the best AC games. Also, Black Flag is incredible (even though it's hardly an AC game, really).

Penn

Mickeroo wrote: »

I preferred 3 over 4. Connor wasn't a great character but the setting and overall story was better and the campaign had more variety in the missions. All I remember of Black Flag campaign was the constant "follow this guy somewhere" missions.

Yeah the land missions were insanely repetitive. Eavesdropping on people meaning not only do you have to follow them but also stay within a small radius of them.... I despised those missions and they happened so f*cking often.

The pirate stuff saved the game though. It was an absolute joy.

RasTa

Assassins creed are some of the worst games made in the history of video games. It's just the same mission over and over again in every game they have released so far.

Mr. CooL ICE

Me getting annoyed playing most games: "jaysus, this game is retarded"

Me getting annoyed playing cuphead: "jaysus, I'm retarded"

The_Valeyard

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Me getting annoyed playing most games: "jaysus, this game is retarded"

Me getting annoyed playing cuphead: "jaysus, I'm retarded"

i wont hear a bad word said against cuphead.

Potential-Monke

RasTa wrote: »

Assassins creed are some of the worst games made in the history of video games. It's just the same mission over and over again in every game they have released so far.

Is not every game like that though?

Dishonored: Go here and kill X
GTA: Go here and kill X
Doom: Kill everything
Final Fantasy: Go here and kill X
CoD: Kill everything while screaming profanaties
BF: Kill everything while being amazed
The Witcher: Go here and kill X or collect Y

Every game is repetition of the same things over and over. I personally rate the AC series as one of the best out there, with a few games just not living up to it's predecessor. Same can be said of most series with 20 games under their belt!

J. Marston

Playing Resident Evil 4 for the first time, was on sale on PSN.

Heard it was a classic and it's great fun so far but now I've just got Ashley in the church and apparently there's a whole escort aspect that's been revealed and I'm having nightmares of MGS2 with Raiden and Emma. Hope it doesn't ruin it.

Zero-Cool

Yupp, classic escort sucky part. When you finish the game, it's well worth to play through Ada's assignment.

SeantheMan

I've been watching the OWL (Overwatch League)....and then I was thinking about other games I've seen competitively.
Starcraft 2, LOL, DOTA, CS:S etc.
99.9% of these professional gamers at the TOP TIER level are male. I remember Scarlett was killing it in SC2 but she came out as Transgender, so I dunno.

Anyways, why is this the case ? I'm honestly curious and interested.
According to statistics people throw up now and again 50% or around there of gamers are women.
Is it that men are more competitive ? There is no physical advantage that males have over females...so why are there no female pro-gamers.

And if there are...which I know there are female pro gamers......but shouldn't they be forced to compete in the same leagues and tiers as men.

Pardon the ignorance if there is an obvious answer...just wondering what you all think or your opinions on the subject are.

mrkiscool2

SeantheMan wrote: »

I've been watching the OWL (Overwatch League)....and then I was thinking about other games I've seen competitively.
Starcraft 2, LOL, DOTA, CS:S etc.
99.9% of these professional gamers at the TOP TIER level are male. I remember Scarlett was killing it in SC2 but she came out as Transgender, so I dunno.

Anyways, why is this the case ? I'm honestly curious and interested.
According to statistics people throw up now and again 50% or around there of gamers are women.
Is it that men are more competitive ? There is no physical advantage that males have over females...so why are there no female pro-gamers.

And if there are...which I know there are female pro gamers......but shouldn't they be forced to compete in the same leagues and tiers as men.

Pardon the ignorance if there is an obvious answer...just wondering what you all think or your opinions on the subject are.

According to a lot of studies and surveys, women are far more likely to play casual and mobile games than anything else. They are less likely to play games like Overwatch and other games of the like. Also, less hours than men on average.

mrkiscool2

RopeDrink wrote: »

Despite gaming going from the ancient myth of 'there are no girl-gamers' (which was always trite-nonsense) to being openly half of the gaming population, a stigma still hangs in the air. You can be sure discrimination is a thing, and whatever other unpleasant factors you can think of.

Reminds me of the days when I used to be an avid watcher of the Street Fighter competitive scene (of which there are quite a few notable female competitors), yet in the more tight-knit competitions you'd often even hear official commentators passing distasteful comments as if they're some sort of alien species that shouldn't be playing with them. Also have vague memory of Aris' sexual harassment debacle (which is just one of many).

That isn't the only thing, obviously. Female competitors would go through the same hurdles as men do, but with extra hoops thrown in depending on the environment. Then you have the fact that, while there were ALWAYS female gamers, it is still a male-dominated pass-time for the most part. I remember the "Sirens" League of Legends team trying to be built up as a thing - and anywhere you looked, it was met by cringy comments and assumptions.

Again, it's not the only aspect, but I wager it's a lot tougher for the ladies to be taken seriously no matter how good they are. That is also assuming they're interested in the more serious side to begin with.

Yeah, I'd also agree there is still a stigma attached to being a serious female gamer. Especially as "girl gamers" are a. assumed to be in it just for the boys b. aren't seen as good, skilled or knowledgeable as male gamer and c. sexism is rife in tech. Like, there are more casual female players than male players (i.e. facebook and mobile games) but still, there are some really good female gamers out there. Also, Siren probably hurt pro-female gamers a lot.

Robert ninja

Gaming outlets & MSM overall are responsible for blowing out of proportion how frequently and to what severity people are discriminated against in gaming, which only harms the people who are genuinely experiencing such things. They're obsessed to spin the oppression narrative and considering multiple outlets all reported on this malarkey on the same day it's hard to not suspect GJP 2.0.

Best video I've seen on lassies in e-sports has been this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkcRy0F3xyE

kunst nugget

What's GJP 2.0?

Robert ninja

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=gjp

RopeDrink

RopeDrink wrote: »

I'm sure it did. The problem is that spotlights were veritably thrust at them. If a group of girls wanted to form a team and be taken seriously, having all this media thrown around promoting it as an 'oh my, what is this, a female team in competitive League of Legends? Let's point the media-finger at 'em!' deal is a bad-sign right out of the gate.

I don't recall much about it, only that any video related to them was getting smashed with negative comments. If a team like that had just been left to fight the good fight and earn placements on the quiet like any other team, the attention would have been a bit more receptive/eased. I just assume it was waved under everyone's noses and, in predictable fashion, a lot of the viewers (typically men) would treat it like the 'girls can't drive' trope and helped them dig a hole for themselves in the process. It's sad, really. When I started getting into WoW in a big way, I met quite a few women who felt they had to play male characters to avoid attention (common knowledge now of course). These days 90% of IG-females are certainly played by men (and I'm one of those types), so that's not as big a deal now, but when you're talking lights, camera, competitive-action, the atmosphere noticeably changes when women are around and I've seen too many streamed incidents of men really giving a bad name for themselves by acting like they're from the stone-age.

As far as I understand it's far superiorly handled in Japan, though that is also the place where the competitive gaming scenes were available via TV long before it became an e-sport shenanigan.

Once again, I know it's but one of many factors (with varying degrees of exposure). I'm by no means a white-knight or whathaveyou, just relaying instances I've seen as a viewer over the years.

There's a high level of autism at varying levels of the spectrum in the tech industry and as a result the gaming world. Some people call them weird and awkward, but there is an underlying reason for that social awkwardness. The most common denominator I see is an inability to interact with women. I wouldn't say the industry is sexist or misogynist, it's just full of socially awkward nerds who are incapable of interacting with women. I'm in no way condoning misogynistic behavior, I'm just pointing out my experience of the industry and in my experience it's often as a result of a high level of social awkwardness rather than an intentional prejudice.

Dyr

RopeDrink wrote: »

Despite gaming going from the ancient myth of 'there are no girl-gamers' (which was always trite-nonsense) to being openly half of the gaming population, a stigma still hangs in the air. You can be sure discrimination is a thing, and whatever other unpleasant factors you can think of.

I don't think you help the cause much by the "half of gamers" claim but lets follow the logic here, if females make up half of gamers, what would you say the gaming forums demograph here on boards is? 80-90% male?

Are you presiding over forums that are so misogynistic and toxic that they have driven away 50% of it's interest group?


Or is just that the females are 50% of gamers stat is based on a definition of "gamer" that includes people playing candy crush on their bus journey home and so forth?

Billy86

One thing I've noticed in Canada/the US at least, is that gaming among women there is a lot more popular than it seems to be here. Not sure why that is, just a random observation.

That wouldn't be competitive gaming since I'm not familiar with that end of things at all, but more console or PC 'AAA' type games so I guess somewhere in between the competitive and mobile ends of the spectrum that most of us probably fall under.

Dyr

Billy86 wrote: »

One thing I've noticed in Canada/the US at least, is that gaming among women there is a lot more popular than it seems to be here. Not sure why that is, just a random observation.

That wouldn't be competitive gaming since I'm not familiar with that end of things at all, but more console or PC 'AAA' type games so I guess somewhere in between the competitive and mobile ends of the spectrum that most of us probably fall under.

I remember seeing the Youtube viewership for gaming videos based on gender..the gaming categories were from 85 to 95% male, even for stuff like Nintendo

The disparity is so much that it completely skews the gender ratio for Youtube viewing figures: When you take gaming out of the equation the ratio is about 50:50

I reckon its safe to say that gaming is overwhelmingly male.

Billy86

I hadn't thought of that, so took a look and it appears that 30% of Youtube gamers are female - https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/data-gallery/detail/youtube-gamer-gender-demographics/
Defined in the link as: YouTube gamers are defined as people in the U.S. ages 18 to 54, who go online at least monthly and stated that they watch gaming videos on YouTube at least monthly.

It might be that you had seen it from a few years back? This article is based on 2014, so I don't know how accurate it still is but has/had women over 25 as the fastest growing demographic of Youtube gaming viewers:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-01-07-women-over-25-fastest-growing-youtube-gaming-audience

"Viewership among women has doubled year over year, and women over the age of 25 are the fastest-growing demographic for gaming content," Ramdurai said. "YouTube data tells us that both men and women are spending more time per video with gaming than in any other content area. Women, however, are spending slightly more time watching each gaming video than men are."

Retr0gamer

I think there's centuries of gender stereotyping to get over before videogames really catch on with women. There's absolutely no reason than games should appeal more to men than women especially with videogames being such a diverse medium. There's an awful lot of women totally dismissive of videogames that have never played any, or even women I know that loved videogames as a kid but now look down on them, most likely due to social pressure.

On top of that you've also got a boys club 'boys only' mentality from a lot of male videogame players which exasperates the issue.

From my own experience during my post grad days I used to bring the wii out on nights out and end up playing videogames all night with a lot of female friends who would slag me off and tell me videogames are a waste of time yet would be enthralled with not just wii sports but games like Mario kart, bomberman, soul calibur 2, street fighter 2 etc. Even recently I got a lot of female friends playing Rocket League after a night out. Had to kick the feckers out of the house.

Billy86

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Even recently I got a lot of female friends playing Rocket League after a night out. Had to kick the feckers out of the house.

Jesus, you really took that rage quit to a whole other level!

Retr0gamer

They were glory hunters and not team players.

Dyr

Billy86 wrote: »

I hadn't thought of that, so took a look and it appears that 30% of Youtube gamers are female - https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/data-gallery/detail/youtube-gamer-gender-demographics/
Defined in the link as: YouTube gamers are defined as people in the U.S. ages 18 to 54, who go online at least monthly and stated that they watch gaming videos on YouTube at least monthly.

It might be that you had seen it from a few years back? This article is based on 2014, so I don't know how accurate it still is but has/had women over 25 as the fastest growing demographic of Youtube gaming viewers:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-01-07-women-over-25-fastest-growing-youtube-gaming-audience

Nah this was from 2015, the same year as that article stating women were the fastest growing demograph. That's called spin

It's a bit like the line the govt used to use about Ireland being the fastest growing economy in the world when we were growing back from total decimation

Gamesindustrybiz is one of those websites pushes the women in gaming narrative like crazy.

It's all a bit like claiming that men are not into makeover vids because of societal pressure. Yeah sure, that and the fact that men just aren't into make up.

Billy86

I'm not really familiar with many games websites or what their narratives are to be honest, but the think with google statistic of 30% wouldn't have any connection to them as best I'm aware?

Dyr

That's the report I had in mind but it looks like the cliff notes but the relevant detail there

https://digiday.com/media/demographics-youtube-5-charts/

Allow me to put my tin-foil hat firmly on and state that given Googles culture on this topic there's a reason why these stats are no longer easy to come by for the ensuing years and have been replaced by a 30% stat based on self reporting

Retr0gamer

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm not really familiar with many games websites or what their narratives are to be honest, but the think with google statistic of 30% wouldn't have any connection to them as best I'm aware?

Does it take into account that 90% of women on the internet are men?