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The PC star wars games at the time were incredible. XWing was great but Tie Fighter is an absolute classic that still holds up. Dark Forces was amazing as well. Then you had Jedi knight which has aged poorly but was great at the time.
Hell, I even got some enjoyment out of rebel assault.
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I finished Dark Forces recently and adored it. The only issue is that sewer level being the second stage but I really enjoyed said sprawling levels and figuring out the puzzles. Some can be quite tough, I remember being stuck on one for a long time where you had to get on top of an elevator and blow a hole in the wall.
Jedi Knight on the other hand when I went back just felt a bit janky with massive sprawling levels filled with not a whole lot. Very easy to get lost as well because you can't find a breakable vent or switch that blends into the scenery. The Raven Soft sequels were more polished but also kind of uninteresting imo.
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Mostly these types of games that age poorly represented big technological jumps or coasted on hype. Usually they weren't really good games in retrospect but their limitations were acceptable back in the day. Some examples are Battle Arena Toshinden, a gorgeous showcase of the PS1's power but in retrospect one of the worst 3D fighters ever. Or Goldeneye which not only brought FPS games to console but also presented a new more cinematic approach to FPS games and missions rather than get to the exit. In retrospect the technical issues were really bad and it's since been surpassed. Or Red Dead Redemption 2 which is just shite but got on on hype alone 😎. Compare that to something like Super Mario Bros 3, Doom 2 or Ico. Those games will always be amazing no matter how dated their tech becomes.
There's plenty of games I loved that haven't really aged well when I go back to them. Earthworm Jim, Mortal Kombat, SiN, etc. Sometimes I see people getting excited about something like Syphon Filter and kind of cringing thinking about how badly they will react when they realise that it isn't that great.
That's not to say that these games can't be enjoyed or be fun. I've gone back to a lot of games that don't really hold up that well and still enjoyed them enough or found them interesting enough to get through them.
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There's another big barrier of entry to old games as well, input lag. Modern games are built to compensate for input lag but it can have massive negative effects on older games built to be played on CRT screens with zero lag. Jeremy Parish was recently talking about getting a Famicom Disk system and trying Doki Doki Panic/Mario 2 on it and having a bad time with it and not realising why until he got a proper CRT set up. It's an unconscious thing but the games play far worse with input lag. I'm a pretty good Castlevania player but playing on a LCD now I find myself making just and attacks too late due to lag. They're just a whole lot less fun unless you play with something that allows for lag compensation.
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Just to add that there are a good few cases where you have to take into account the environment and time that some games were released into. For instance, Wizardry style FPS games have been polished into perfection over the years. Etrian Odyssey is an amazing compromise between crushing difficulty and player accessiblity. Whereas old Wizardry games are stupidly tough, have lots of annoying random elements (randomly getting a player wipe when a teleport spell fails and teleports you into a wall), and characters that age into uselessness. It's totally unacceptable for a modern player but at the time when you had a PC with very few games but had this game that emulated a DnD session and it was all you had and could dedicated hours and multiple play throughs to, it was mindblowing.
Even now I'm playing Monkey Island 2 and I'm horribly lost and it's kind of annoying because I'm used to modern games, whereas this was perfectly fine in the 90's when you didn't have many games.
So basically there can be an element of well it was good for the time. Some games only really work in relation to the timeframe they were released.
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Started weirdo PS1 game Baroque that got recently fan translated. Strange, strange game that's a rogue like filled with religious imagery. My first run through the dungeon I was blinded by these green fuckers literally **** blood in my face. It's even grosser in game with the scuttery fart sound effect. It's this kind of stuff that reminds me why games are awesome.
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