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Apple Event September 12th

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    #752
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,706 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    An 18 hour charge on the watch really is great.


    What happens if you have your heart attack while the watch is off your wrist charging that €10 a month isn't much good then.


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    #753
    rabbitinlights
    Registered Users Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭rabbitinlights


    Pretty sure in the EU you can't have 2 devices with the same number so the watch will have a 2nd number, but it'll be masked/linked by your Apple ID Id' say.

    S.


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    #754
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    rabbitinlights wrote: »
    Pretty sure in the EU you can't have 2 devices with the same number

    Orange does it in France at least: https://boutique.orange.fr/mobile/options/multi-sim

    "vous pourrez émettre et recevoir vos appels avec le même numéro"


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    #755
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I'm really not a fan of Apple's decision to "embrace the notch" in the UI. Looks terrible and very un-Apple-like. They could have addressed this easily but obviously the marketing team won the argument. A lot of things about how the UI deals with the notch and lack of home button seems rushed and poorly thought out, so I reckon this will probably be changed in the next year or two.

    I'm happy to hang on to my 6s for another year and even then I'll probably go foran 8 or (I assume) 8s/9. I definitely wouldn't be getting the 10 until they add Touch ID back.


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    #756
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I'm really not a fan of Apple's decision to "embrace the notch" in the UI. Looks terrible and very un-Apple-like. They could have addressed this easily but obviously the marketing team won the argument. A lot of things about how the UI deals with the notch and lack of home button seems rushed and poorly thought out, so I reckon this will probably be changed in the next year or two.

    I'm happy to hang on to my 6s for another year and even then I'll probably go foran 8 or (I assume) 8s/9. I definitely wouldn't be getting the 10 until they add Touch ID back.

    Agreed with most of your points but I wouldn't count on Touch ID coming back. They might have rolled-out Face ID before it is mature enough, but once Apple replaces a technology by another they don't have a habit of going back. I'm more expecting to see Face ID gradually coming to MacBooks and iPads.


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    #757
    ozmo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,868 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I'm happy to hang on to my 6s for another year and even.... I definitely wouldn't be getting the 10 until they add Touch ID back.

    Exactly the same here - Ill need do some reading to see if there is any reason to upgrade from my 6S to an 8 - but the face recognition in X doesn't currently look like the super upgrade feature they are touting it as - but more a workaround to the problem of no button.

    “Roll it back”



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    #758
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Any idea when iOS 11 is released?


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    #759
    Bob24
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    awec wrote: »
    Any idea when iOS 11 is released?

    19th of Sept.


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    #760
    Four Winds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭Four Winds


    Strange. I got a prompt to install it last night. Running 11.0 now.


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    #761
    awec
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    Also curious if there is any sign of the News app coming to Ireland?


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    #762
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Four Winds wrote: »
    Strange. I got a prompt to install it last night. Running 11.0 now.

    It will only roll-out to all users next week, but the GM version was published by Apple yesterday for beta testers and developers.

    You probably registered for the public beta testing program in the past which is why you were already prompted to install it: https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16277804/apple-ios-11-iphone-ipad-download-how-to


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    #763
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,484 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    awec wrote: »
    Also curious if there is any sign of the News app coming to Ireland?

    I'm also on iOS11 and News App is not there.

    Strange it's taking so long to do.


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    #764
    Oafley Jones
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    Agreed with most of your points but I wouldn't count on Touch ID coming back. The might have rolled-out Face ID before it is mature enough, but once Apple replaces a technology by another that don't have a habit of going back. I'm more expecting to see Touch ID gradually coming to MacBooks and iPads.

    This is my concern as well. How do apple re-introduce Touch ID without it coming off as a tacit admission of facial recognitions weakness. We both know Apple and Samsung were desperately trying to get this working before their launches. I could see Samsung having it next year, as it's just more features to throw at the presentation Whereas Apple like to tell a story of the tech and I can't see how'd they'd spin it.


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    #765
    murpho999
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    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    This is my concern as well. How do apple re-introduce Touch ID without it coming off as a tacit admission of facial recognitions weakness. We both know Apple and Samsung were desperately trying to get this working before their launches. I could see Samsung having it next year, as it's just more features to throw at the presentation Whereas Apple like to tell a story of the tech and I can't see how'd they'd spin it.

    How can you say that Face ID is a failure when nobody has it yet?

    Also, even if it has flaws why can't these be improved in the future?


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    #766
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    murpho999 wrote: »
    How can you say that Face ID is a failure when nobody has it yet?

    Where did I say that?


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    #767
    Blazer
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    How can you say that Face ID is a failure when nobody has it yet?

    Also, even if it has flaws why can't these be improved in the future?

    Well it is.
    You have to look directly at the camera to unlock it. And it’s definitely a bit slow. Fair enough touchid was the same at launch.
    However at present FadeId is a poor alternative to the current version of touchid.
    Especially when driving it’s now a lot more dangerous to unlock your phone.


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    #768
    embraer170
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    rabbitinlights wrote: »
    Pretty sure in the EU you can't have 2 devices with the same number so the watch will have a 2nd number, but it'll be masked/linked by your Apple ID Id' say.

    S.

    O2 in Germany have it too and it's free with some plans.


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    #769
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Blazer wrote: »
    Especially when driving it’s now a lot more dangerous to unlock your phone.

    I can definitely hear some of the arguments against Face ID but not that one. If you're gonna unlock you phone while driving it is because you are planning to look at the screen to do something with the phone, which is exactly what Face ID requires to work. So yes doing that is not fully safe, but it has to do with the need to interact with a phone while driving, not with Face ID.

    Note that I am not judging anyone here, this is a discussion for another forum. But blaming Face ID for one's questionable behaviour is a bit funny.


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    #770
    awec
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    How can you say that Face ID is a failure when nobody has it yet?

    Also, even if it has flaws why can't these be improved in the future?

    Loads of people have it. Apple are branding it FaceID but it is nothing new.

    Again, there is a reason Apple did not add facial login to their phones years ago. It would not have been difficult, the technology has been around for a good while now. They went with fingerprints instead for good reason.

    Facial login works best on things that don't move. Desktop pcs that are always in the same position for example. Things that you hold in your hand it doesn't really work well for. Apple recognised this a few years ago.


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    #771
    challengemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Blazer wrote: »
    Especially when driving it’s now a lot more dangerous to unlock your phone.
    Good?


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    #772
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,484 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Blazer wrote: »
    Well it is.
    You have to look directly at the camera to unlock it. And it’s definitely a bit slow. Fair enough touchid was the same at launch.
    However at present FadeId is a poor alternative to the current version of touchid.
    Especially when driving it’s now a lot more dangerous to unlock your phone.

    How do you know how slow it is when you have not used it and a final phone has not been released?

    You should not be using your phone when driving anyway so that's a poor argument.


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    #773
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,484 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    awec wrote: »
    Loads of people have it. Apple are branding it FaceID but it is nothing new.

    Again, there is a reason Apple did not add facial login to their phones years ago. It would not have been difficult, the technology has been around for a good while now. They went with fingerprints instead for good reason.

    Facial login works best on things that don't move. Desktop pcs that are always in the same position for example. Things that you hold in your hand it doesn't really work well for. Apple recognised this a few years ago.

    And you don't think Apple have enhanced or improved it in anyway?

    They were claiming years of devlopment and research on this yesterday so I don' expect to work the same as others.

    For example photos don't work to unlock phones but do on Samsungs.

    I just think it's too early too call as the phone is not out yet.


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    #774
    flaneur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭flaneur


    It's quite a lot more sophisticated than a simple photograph which is what's been available on some android phones to date.

    The phone's actually doing an active infrared scan of your face using an invisible IR flood light and a dot projector and dedicated hardware to process it.


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    #775
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    murpho999 wrote: »
    How do you know how slow it is when you have not used it and a final phone has not been released?

    You should not be using your phone when driving anyway so that's a poor argument.

    To be fair the keynote demos clearly made it looks slower than latest generation Touch ID (which works virtually instantly as you press the home button on my iPhone 7). I'm sure Face ID will improve (as Touch ID did) but as of 2017 it seems slower than Touch ID.


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    #776
    flaneur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭flaneur


    Bear in mind it's using a neural network technology to learn your face. The more it sees you, the more it recognises you.

    So, it's quite possibly a decent tech.

    The only way we'll know is when it gets out into the real world and sees some use.


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    #777
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,484 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Bob24 wrote: »
    To be fair the keynote demos clearly made it looks slower than latest generation Touch ID (which is basically instant as you press the home button on my iPhone 7). I'm sure Face ID will improve (as Touch ID did) but as of 2017 it seems slower than Touch ID.

    You can't go by the demo. It's not the final version, as was shown by one failure that happend. Apple knew this and were prepared with backups.


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    #778
    Bob24
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    You can't go by the demo. It's not the final version, as was shown by one failure that happend. Apple knew this and were prepared with backups.

    I'm pretty sure the demo was using the final hardware (to have enough stocks they start manufacturing the finalised phones weeks before launch) and the phone was running the final version of iOS 11. Doesn't mean it can't improve but it was likely a final production version.

    Also in all likelihood the failure was not due to Face ID itself or a failure to recognise the face. The phone was just asking for the user's password to reactive Face ID as it also regularly does with Touch ID: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/12/16296912/apple-iphone-x-face-id-demo-fail

    And Apple knows many people are watching the keynote. If they knew something was subpar compared to what they are planning to give users they would have clearly labelled it as beta (as they did with portrait mode during last year's keynote).


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    #779
    DubDJ
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    In relation to the FaceID failure yesterday, that was because somebody restarted the iPhone and it required the passcode to enabled FaceID, not because it didn't work properly.

    I think anybody slating the technology should wait until it's been released to the mass market of customers and see their feedback, or at least wait until reviewers get their hands on it. From what I saw from yesterday's hands-on, it seems quick enough compared to TouchID. Both biometric methods have good and bad parts so it's best to wait and see how it fairs.

    Also, comparing Apple's implementation to what has come before it on various Android phones and Windows laptops is incorrect. Apple uses a combination of great cameras, infrared sensors as well as neural networks to secure the device against fraudulent access attempts. I also read the actual face scan will get better as you use it using some of the machine learning. From what has been reported, it's definitely a step ahead compared to anything i've seen previous.


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    #780
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    flaneur wrote: »
    It's quite a lot more sophisticated than a simple photograph which is what's been available on some android phones to date.

    The phone's actually doing an active infrared scan of your face using an invisible IR flood light and a dot projector and dedicated hardware to process it.

    Pretty much every half decent implementation of facial login uses IR. Samsungs use it, Windows uses it, Xbox has been using it in the past.

    Apple stick a bit of marketing around it and some buzzwords and people think they've reinvented facial login.


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    #781
    eeloe
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    DubDJ wrote: »
    In relation to the FaceID failure yesterday, that was because somebody restarted the iPhone and it required the passcode to enabled FaceID, not because it didn't work properly.

    not true.



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