Apple Event September 12th

Oafley Jones

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Wireless charging can't work through aluminium. It works on the Apple Watch because it has a composite / ceramic back depending on the model.



Only on the series 2. Apple Watch original just had a composite back plate.

All this mentions of ceramic is making me want the ceramic Apple Watch Edition so badly

Only model not to feature ceramic backs were the pre series 2 aluminium models. All the rest have it.

CFC007

I'm going to be in the US if it does launch on the 22nd. Hoping I'll be able to preorder on the 15th and then pick it up in the store then after. Has anyone done this with other releases?

smurfjed

They have an interesting order system, it releases orders on a daily basis at a fixed time, you have seconds to get online and get the order placed and it appears that you are bidding against bots. I tried it last year in Canada, it took me 10 days to get an order.
When I previously ordered online in the USA, the phones were shipped directly from Asia, so I would be extremely surprised if you managed to get a phone in the first week, unless of course you join the line of campers on 5th ave on the 15th when you arrive, this would also save your accommodation costs

eeloe

smurfjed wrote: »

They have an interesting order system, it releases orders on a daily basis at a fixed time, you have seconds to get online and get the order placed and it appears that you are bidding against bots. I tried it last year in Canada, it took me 10 days to get an order.
When I previously ordered online in the USA, the phones were shipped directly from Asia, so I would be extremely surprised if you managed to get a phone in the first week, unless of course you join the line of campers on 5th ave on the 15th when you arrive, this would also save your accommodation costs

The big lines for launch day are really only in the major cities...NY, San Fran, Cali and so on.

Smaller towns generally don't have crazy lines.

murpho999

eeloe wrote: »

The big lines for launch day are really only in the major cities...NY, San Fran, Cali and so on.

Smaller towns generally don't have crazy lines.

Ok,but they might have big queues though?

Doodah7

I note that the Keynote is scheduled for 9pm Irish Time (1pm PST) which makes it a lot more comfortable to watch.

gizmo81

How will Apple Pay work without touch?

awec

I am guessing that iOS11 will come out the same time as the iPhone 8?

The "here's what's coming in ios11" notification popped up for me this morning on my ipad.

kod12

Just wondering has anyone tried streaming previous events on a Samsung smart TV. Don't have an apple TV to connect to the tv to watch it and cant mirror the iPhone screen to the TV

Cheers

Creamy Goodness

Doodah7 wrote: »

I note that the Keynote is scheduled for 9pm Irish Time (1pm PST) which makes it a lot more comfortable to watch.

It's 10:00 PDT which is 18:00 IST

https://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2017/

I'm going to be in Sydney for the event so god knows what otherworldly time I have to be up at.

*EDIT* my keynote time is 03:00 on the 13th

Doodah7

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

It's 10:00 PDT which is 18:00 IST

https://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2017/

I'm going to be in Sydney for the event so god knows what otherworldly time I have to be up at.

*EDIT* my keynote time is 03:00 on the 13th

Damn you are right, I saw a screenshot of the event notification on an Apple TV and they were obviously on the east coast...

matchthis

Will only work if unlocked first?

murpho999

Mr.S wrote: »

Wondering that too.

If it's expected that FaceID is how it's going authenticate, I can't see how the camera sensor will pick up your face. Most people pay with ApplePay using a downward motion, ie away from your face.

I'm sure Apple has it figured out though.

The face id camera is supposed to work from a lot of angles. So you don’t have to be facing it fully to use it.

Sad Professor

It should be noted that when using Touch ID with ApplePay you don't have to hold your finger down the whole time. You can authenticate your fingerprint for ApplePay, lift your finger and then touch your phone to the terminal and the transaction will go through. Face ID will presumedly work the same.

The Ayatolla

Do you have to press the home button when using Apple Pay? Or is there like a 5 second grace time from when you place thumb on home button and touch it off the reader?

Keyzer

You must be all bonkers considering paying over a grand for a phone. Bonkers.

Creamy Goodness

Keyzer wrote: »

You must be all bonkers considering paying over a grand for a phone. Bonkers.

Nope didn't realise until you mentioned it. Thank you.

The Ayatolla

Keyzer wrote: »

You must be all bonkers considering paying over a grand for a phone. Bonkers.

If you think it's just "a phone", then you're the one who is bonkers.

DubDJ

Keyzer wrote: »

You must be all bonkers considering paying over a grand for a phone. Bonkers.

Why? For most people their smartphone is the most important possession they own, and probably gets used more than any other item they own.

Some people work very hard to earn a living, I'd assume they should be able to spend that on whatever they see fit. There are a lot of reasons somebody would spend that money on a phone. Nobody is bonkers because of that.

Darren 83

Keyzer wrote: »

You must be all bonkers considering paying over a grand for a phone. Bonkers.

I must be bonkers, I guess it all stems from getting second hand mobiles from my family as a kid. Now that I'm older I'm able to buy them brand new.

My Daughter is looking for my iPhone when I get the iPhone 8, it's just a vicious circle.

I'm looking forward to the wireless charging really liked it on the s7 edge. I normally sell my old for new but my Daughter is looking for my old one so it's going to be cost a little more this time round and any time I upgrade.

DubDJ

Darren 83 wrote: »

I normally sell my old for new but my Daughter is looking for my old one so it's going to be cost a little more this time round and any time I upgrade.

Great part about upgrading from a 1-2 year old phone, I usually only pay half the price or even less on the new one because I can sell the previous one and get a huge chunk back.

Four Winds

Seems the premium price is due to the cost of Samsung OLED panels.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/06/kgi-iphone-oled-samsung-touch-id/

The analysis breaks down the structure of the new iPhone’s display which KGI expects to include a flexible OLED panel, an OLED touch panel, a 3D Touch module, and an OLED panel module. The report believes Samsung will be responsible for providing each OLED part with the only exception in the stack being the 3D Touch module.

For that reason, Samsung is able to charge a premium on OLED panels which KGI expects will cost more than twice as much per unit as the LCD panels in the Plus model iPhones. Specifically, KGI estimates OLED unit cost at $120-$130 per unit versus the $45-$55 unit cost of LCD panels. This could certainly explain the expected price tag of around $1,000 when the current iPhone range goes from $650 to $970.

Dades

Four Winds wrote: »

Seems the premium price is due to the cost of Samsung OLED panels.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/06/kgi-iphone-oled-samsung-touch-id/

Seems like they might be adding their own premium too (if the prices are to be believed).

Do we know if there's going to be a new "S" version of the 7/7+, too? I assume the all-new phone won't be coming in two sizes.

Four Winds

Read something yesterday (link to an article on Reddit) saying there was no S versions and that they were going with the 8 Pro/Edition 8 and 8 Plus.

DubDJ

They need to sort out their naming conventions, either simplify or switch to something completely different.

numbernine

Stupid Q-if the new iphone is to have Samsungs OLED screens, will they still be a glass screen or soft touch like the samsung phones?

murpho999

DubDJ wrote: »

They need to sort out their naming conventions, either simplify or switch to something completely different.

I think the 8, 8 plus and 8 edition are easy to follow.

Edition also ties in with premium Apple watch models.

Cloudio9

DubDJ wrote: »

They need to sort out their naming conventions, either simplify or switch to something completely different.

Does anyone really care what the names are ?

Sad Professor

Calling them all the 8 doesn't really make sense if the 4.7 and 5.5-inch models look exactly like the 7 while the OLED has a completely different design. It will make things very confusing in future years.

I also think if Apple was going to do this they would have called the 7 last year the 6ss or 6se.

Calling them the 7s, 7s Plus and 8 is the simplest way to do it.

Johnmb

Sad Professor wrote: »

Calling them all the 8 doesn't really make sense if the 4.7 and 5.5-inch models look exactly like the 7 while the OLED has a completely different design. It will make things very confusing in future years.

I also think if Apple was going to do this they would have called the 7 last year the 6ss or 6se.

Calling them the 7s, 7s Plus and 8 is the simplest way to do it.

Rumours are that the 4.7 and 5.5 inch models will have glass backs, and so will look considerably different from the 7. Other option would be to call those two either 7s, 7s Plus, or 8, 8 Plus, and the OLED one Edition, with no numbering on it. If it was to be a one-off special that would work, returning to just the two models (at whatever sizes deemed best) from next year, both with OLED so there'd be no further need to have a third extra special model as there'd be very little to differentiate it from the other two models.

Sad Professor

Johnmb wrote: »

Rumours are that the 4.7 and 5.5 inch models will have glass backs, and so will look considerably different from the 7. Other option would be to call those two either 7s, 7s Plus, or 8, 8 Plus, and the OLED one Edition, with no numbering on it. If it was to be a one-off special that would work, returning to just the two models (at whatever sizes deemed best) from next year, both with OLED so there'd be no further need to have a third extra special model as there'd be very little to differentiate it from the other two models.

I forgot about the glass back rumours.

Yeah, I guess it depends what Apple's future plans are and whether this third premium model is here to stay or if it's just a 10th anniversary-type deal. If they go down the iPad Pro route then I suppose it would make sense to give it a different name. iPhone Pro, iPhone X, etc.

DubDJ

I personally think they'll go the iPhone Pro naming route. The 'edition' name would probably carry a negative reputation after the fairly unpopular Apple Watch. Plus it doesn't really carry any premium materials like the gold and ceramic Apple Watch.

Pro fits in with the iPad lineup and fits the description better. Unusual to have such a lot of unknown factors so close to the event, makes things a bit more interesting.

Sad Professor

Yeah I definitely don't think it will called Edition - unless of course it is intended as a once-off, but I think that's unlikely. As with the iPad (and the Mac), Apple is trying to push up the price of the iPhone in order to reclaim its premium status and advantage without sacrificing their margins. With the iPad they did this by re-branding at a higher price and subsequently abandoning what used to be the main model.

Necronomicon

How long does it typically take for networks to start offering new devices on plans? My 6 has a catalogue of problems and I've got an itchy purchase finger, but wondering if it'd be mad to get the 7 now so close to the new gen releases. Either the 7s will tempt me or presumably the 7 will come down.

The Ayatolla

Last week of Sept/First week of Oct usually based on recent 1-2 years.

Dades

Neither "Edition" or "Pro" make any sense to me.

The "iPhone Edition" doesn't work grammatically for a start. And if would have made more sense to call the iPhone 7+ "Pro".

Oafley Jones

Dades wrote: »

Neither "Edition" or "Pro" make any sense to me.

The "iPhone Edition" doesn't work grammatically for a start. And if would have made more sense to call the iPhone 7+ "Pro".

As if grammar has every stopped Apple. I still think dropping the suffix would have been the move, but that's screwed by keeping the 6 design again. I can't decide between pro and editing. Both are awful, yet I could easily see either making it.

Creamy Goodness

Edition is a no go. They failed with that word with the watch even though hey still use it but it still has bad connotations.

I think it will go either of these ways.

iPhone, iPhone Plus, iPhone Pro.

Or

iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 8 Pro.

F34

Iphone X seems to be cropping up quiet a bit as well

peteeeed

for those that are selling 7's and 7 plus's and upgrading , where are the best places to sell ?

Creamy Goodness

F34 wrote: »

Iphone X seems to be cropping up quiet a bit as well

It is but I doubt they'll do it. They've moved away from the Roman numerals for macOS so unlikely they'd do it for their flag ship phone.

Marty Bird

peteeeed wrote: »

for those that are selling 7's and 7 plus's and upgrading , where are the best places to sell ?

Adverts for me or Donedeal.

Johnmb

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

It is but I doubt they'll do it. They've moved away from the Roman numerals for macOS so unlikely they'd do it for their flag ship phone.

Yeah, I've been reading the iPhone X comments as being the writer using "X" as a holding place in the absence of knowing the actual name, rather than as X being the name! I must pay more attention...

14murphy

Guys where do you get all this other info ? Reddit ?

Four Winds

Yeah I usually visit the Apple and iPhone subreddits for news/updates. Always tons of stuff posted there.

Marty Bird

Some more leaks ahead of the keynote.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/ios-11-gm-d22-iphone-8-details/

Marty Bird

Looks like it maybe called the iPhone X

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/09/ios-firmware-indicates-apple-to-announce-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus-and-iphone-x-on-tuesday/

Agent Coulson

Might make more sense to release them as 8, 9 & X and have them at three different price points with slight variations between the 8 & 9.

Creamy Goodness

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Might make more sense to release them as 8, 9 & X and have them at three different price points with slight variations between the 8 & 9.

Hmm you might be right who knows at this point. The marketing is so tightly closed up it rarely leaks. However something tells me they'll want to have people buying the lesser models (for want of a better word) and naming them this way will make them feel inferior to people's minds.

murpho999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjG1EC0ybA8

More info has leaked overnight on the IPhone X.

I like what they are doing with the power button, faceid and gestures.