Parent not paying tax so cannot receive grant, please help.

LionelNashe

Keep your job, and don't go to college. You can always go in the future (or not).

Delphinium

How long has your mother been running her business? Looks like she is not earning a lot but she must be drawing wages of some sort. Cannot emphasise enough that it has to be sorted. I presume she doesn't have employees.
As a tax payer, depending on the type of enterprise, she could have employed the children part time, get them to genuinely do work and pay them, on reduced rates of PRSI.
Reduces her income and provides them with saving for college.
You are not ratting on her. The axe will fall eventually, eg when she retires she will have to apply for pension....
Fess up before they catch her, always better.
Death and taxes cannot be avoided.

Turnipman

Another reason for her to register is that she'll then be able to pay PRSI which, in time, will make her eligible for the State Contributory Pension.

So as well as being in your and your siblings' short term interests, it's also in her long term interest.

SEPT 23 1989

Delphinium wrote: »

How long has your mother been running her business? Looks like she is not earning a lot but she must be drawing wages of some sort. Cannot emphasise enough that it has to be sorted. I presume she doesn't have employees.
As a tax payer, depending on the type of enterprise, she could have employed the children part time, get them to genuinely do work and pay them, on reduced rates of PRSI.
Reduces her income and provides them with saving for college.
You are not ratting on her. The axe will fall eventually, eg when she retires she will have to apply for pension....
Fess up before they catch her, always better.
Death and taxes cannot be avoided.

I'm sure the mother knows exactly where she is at tax wise and has protected her children from the reality of the situation like any good parent would

And to do all that and then be ratted out by her own flesh and blood

Despicable behavior

elperello

august12 wrote: »

Don't worry about this, if she hasn't even enough to pay for your reg fee, then she obviously hasn't been squirreling away millions in off shore tax havens, first and foremost, get an accountant, there must be a local one with a good reputation, considering your mother has her own business, then she must have friends who are self employed, discreetly find out who their accountant is, contact them and let them do the registration. Dont waste your time looking up revenue about registration. If last year's accounts are sorted, then ye can worry about previous years later.

+1 on this advice and don't forget to tell her that accountants fees are an allowable expense.

gizmo81

judeboy101 wrote: »

True, but its a cheek to ask the state for financial help via susi while condoning potential tax evasion

The OP has done nothing wrong. He is a child of the state and entitled to support just like any other.

:mad:

Markiemarkso

What kind of business does she run?
Based on the fact that she is a single mother with children in school, she would only pay tax on her profits over €21k in the year, i.e the first 400 a week would be covered by her tax credits.

SEPT 23 1989

She will probably just get done for late filing of returns

CiarraiAbu2

Just file 2016, its self assessment so the accountant will file whatever she tells him/her. More than likely they won't go back any further than last year. Don't have the figs here but will have about 18k tax free but will get caught for prsi and usc but as always lower is better.

jimmycrackcorm

gizmo81 wrote:

The OP has done nothing wrong. He is a child of the state and entitled to support just like any other.

That's not the point, which is that the household income has to be explained. Susi share information with the revenue so it will come up on the system.

CiarraiAbu2 wrote:

Just file 2016, its self assessment so the accountant will file whatever she tells him/her. More than likely they won't go back any further than last year. Don't have the figs here but will have about 18k tax free but will get caught for prsi and usc but as always lower is better.

This gets over the hurdle. Everything what can be sorted out later.

jimmycrackcorm

gizmo81 wrote:

The OP has done nothing wrong. He is a child of the state and entitled to support just like any other.

That's not the point, which is that the household income has to be explained. Susi share information with the revenue so it will come up on the system.

CiarraiAbu2 wrote:

Just file 2016, its self assessment so the accountant will file whatever she tells him/her. More than likely they won't go back any further than last year. Don't have the figs here but will have about 18k tax free but will get caught for prsi and usc but as always lower is better.

This gets over the hurdle. Everything what can be sorted out later.

august12

I'm saying if your mother registers as self employed and does her tax return for 2016, revenue may or may not go back to previous years, if her turnover is small and tax is negligible then they may not bother seeking any more info. The main thing is, get accountant, get registered, gather all documents relative to 2016, all income in and all related expenses including electricity, phone, car expenses relating to business i.e. car fuel costs, car maintenance, heating fuel for business, insurance costs, any stationery expenses, machinery/equipment purchased etc. and submit all as soon as possible, it should only take a matter of weeks to sort this once registered and returns filed.

Also note, any medical expenses not covered by health insurance can also be submitted e.g. doctors receipts, prescription, consultants, orthodontic treatment etc.copies can be got if ye haven't retained these, also note, you need to keep all records for 6 years after filing for audit purposes but don't concern yourself with this.

gizmo81

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That's not the point, which is that the household income has to be explained. Susi share information with the revenue so it will come up on the system.




This gets over the hurdle. Everything what can be sorted out later.

I'm not saying it doesn't need to be explored it's just not fair to say that the OP has 'a cheek' for looking for a grant because of his mothers transgressions.

JayRoc

"My Mam raised 5 of us on her own and did it by trying to run her own business rather than claiming the scratcher.
But this is selfish because now I have to actually pay my own way in college."

"Shocking. Clearly the right thing to do is to shop your own mother to the taxman"


I reckon this thread has reached Peak Boards

august12

Imstucklads wrote:

Yep. I hope she does. I've thought about reporting her allot since I found out.

Have been reading back through the comments, it's not necessary to do this and will achieve nothing, follow the advice given here by the more helpful board members and ignore the remainder especially ones agreeing with your above comment. Your mother seems to have achieved a lot in her own life so I wouldn't be too hard on her, try to help her gather the info she needs for accountant and hope for the best. If you feel you won't be able to afford college this year, you can always defer your course till next year, some colleges allow this if you contact them. They will hold your place till next year and you could work for the year.

Bubbaclaus

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Here, your mother is putting food on the table for a family of 5 plus herself without handouts from the state.

Not paying your taxes is a defacto handout from the State. And also fraud.

august12

Bubbaclaus wrote:

Not paying your taxes is a defacto handout from the State. And also fraud.

I don't think the OP wants or needs a lecture on defrauding the State. He is not evading taxes. He has posted here for suggestions as to how best deal with this situation.

Imstucklads

august12 wrote: »

Have been reading back through the comments, it's not necessary to do this and will achieve nothing, follow the advice given here by the more helpful board members and ignore the remainder especially ones agreeing with your above comment. Your mother seems to have achieved a lot in her own life so I wouldn't be too hard on her, try to help her gather the info she needs for accountant and hope for the best. If you feel you won't be able to afford college this year, you can always defer your course till next year, some colleges allow this if you contact them. They will hold your place till next year and you could work for the year.

I've only thought about it in anger. I'd never actually do it. It's an incredibly frustrating situation for me, allot of options have crossed my mind. I'm trying to think of any and all solutions and possible outcomes.
She has done her best to take care of us all on her own and I respect her so much for that.

Turnipman

Imstucklads wrote: »

I've only thought about it in anger. I'd never actually do it. It's an incredibly frustrating situation for me, allot of options have crossed my mind. I'm trying to think of any and all solutions and possible outcomes.
She has done her best to take care of us all on her own and I respect her so much for that.

From what you said in an earlier reply, it appears that she may well not be making enough to be liable to pay much tax, if any. She badly needs to be helped/encouraged to come to the only intelligent decision that will get her out of her mess.

Have you talked to SUSI on their helpline? If not, why not give them a blast - they lean over backwards to help applicants and you've got nothing to lose.