Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its not your squad but he is right, if the loss of just one player stops everything in its tracks then that is a serious problem.

Every team has its vital players but injuries happen, suspensions happen, if we don't have anyone else to step up and win us a few games then we will go nowhere.

We won a CL final without Keane and Scholes, now we can't beat a ****e Liverpool because Pogba is missing. That's not good enough.

the 99 team was one of the best teams in history.

of the current Man utd team, not one player would have got into that starting 11, maybe not even de gea

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

Yea Madrid were there for the taking though, not in form, lost to Girona at the weekend, just goes to show what can happen when you attack teams that are vulnerable

Why didn't they beat us as we are so poor then I'm confused by ur "logic"

bangkok

Deleted User wrote: »

Why didn't they beat us as we are so poor then I'm confused by ur "logic"

we are far from being vulnerable, probably one of the best defensive teams in europe

J. Marston

Jayop wrote: »

Ali's been their best player tonight. Erikkson has been great too.

Kane has been just as good as them. He has a hand in almost everything positive they do.

Giggsy11

beno619 wrote: »

You don't need a crystal ball to assess whether your squad can handle an medium term injury to a first team player.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its not your squad but he is right, if the loss of just one player stops everything in its tracks then that is a serious problem.

Every team has its vital players but injuries happen, suspensions happen, if we don't have anyone else to step up and win us a few games then we will go nowhere.

We won a CL final without Keane and Scholes, now we can't beat a ****e Liverpool because Pogba is missing. That's not good enough.

It's not like we don't have numbers, it's that we don't have anyone like Pogba, meaning what he brings to the team. If there is, he won't be back up player for ManUtd.

Pogba makes team tick, not saying every game we will be winning 4-0s, or he will play like Messi but ManUtd with Pogba >>>>>> ManUtd without Pogba as he brings qualities to the team that only he can in the squad.

Also not sure where this Liverpool thing creeped in, looks like you have mixed up few arguments.

bangkok

some result for City :eek:

Lithium93_

bangkok wrote: »

some result for City :eek:

Said it before, i'll say it again.

Man City thread that way

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deaddonkey15

bangkok wrote: »

some result for City :eek:

Don't worry. Apparently their defense is bad and they'll lose loads of games around Christmas - unlike us.

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

some result for City :eek:

Are you a City fan disguised as a United fan or something, every other post in the United thread lately by you has been about how good City are or what City are doing.. They do have a superthread you know

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

Are you a City fan disguised as a United fan or something, every other post in the United thread lately by you has been about how good City are or what City are doing.. They do have a superthread you know

na, just an impressive result that all. same way when liverpool lose and we all slag them, if city have a brilliant win its worth a mention imo

jayo26

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Said it before, i'll say it again.

Man City thread that way

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Leave him alone ok....

The door is that way

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J. Marston

Can't have it both ways.

If we can fill up pages by laughing at Liverpool when they're in poor form then people should be allowed to post stuff about City's worrying good form without being told to get out.

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

Can't have it both ways.

If we can fill up pages by laughing at Liverpool when they're in poor form then people should be allowed to post stuff about City's worrying good form without being told to get out.

It's not 1 person doing it when it happens with Liverpool, when a high percentage of your posts are about city it's too much. Especially when the rest is about how poor United are. It gets boring fast

deaddonkey15

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing other sides from a United perspective.

Robson99

astradave wrote: »

Are you a City fan disguised as a United fan or something, every other post in the United thread lately by you has been about how good City are or what City are doing.. They do have a superthread you know

He is right though. And spurs are also playing much better football than us. There is more sense talk in admitting that other teams are better than us than all this ****e talk about Pogba being the reason we are playing poorly

DM_7

J. Marston wrote: »

Can't have it both ways.

If we can fill up pages by laughing at Liverpool when they're in poor form then people should be allowed to post stuff about City's worrying good form without being told to get out.

Filling up pages about Liverpool should be elsewhere as well.

Trigger

Robson99 wrote: »

He is right though. And spurs are also playing much better football than us. There is more sense talk in admitting that other teams are better than us than all this ****e talk about Pogba being the reason we are playing poorly

We just beat Spurs! Yet all the talk is about how good they are (and City) and how bad we are?

Jayop

Robson99 wrote: »

He is right though. And spurs are also playing much better football than us. There is more sense talk in admitting that other teams are better than us than all this ****e talk about Pogba being the reason we are playing poorly

We only beat Spurs because Kane was out and Pogba being out for us is no excuse for worse performances despite continued excellent results.

Right?

That's the argument that you guys are making just so we're clear?


Spurs best player being out is an excuse for them being poor against us but out best player being out isn't an excuse for us being poor against them despite winning the game?


Like is that really it?

DM_7

Robson99 wrote: »

He is right though. And spurs are also playing much better football than us. There is more sense talk in admitting that other teams are better than us than all this ****e talk about Pogba being the reason we are playing poorly

Is that the Spurs behind United in the league and that United beat at the weekend?

Other teams, unless they are playing United, do not influence how United play.

Missing Pogba does actually influence how United play.

Jayop

DM_7 wrote: »

Is that the Spurs behind United in the league and that United beat at the weekend?

Other teams, unless they are playing United, do not influence how United play.

Missing Pogba does actually influence how United play.

That's the one. That's we've just beat, that's 3 points behind us, that's conceded 3 more goals and scored 4 less.

Ah yes but they were missing Kane so that's an excuse. Just don't dare mention that we missed Pogba and the rest recently.

Jayop

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your point would be better if that was the only game we had been poor in.

We weren't poor in that game ffs.

Utterly deserved to win the game.


edit: and regardless, the argument still stands that we're missing our best creative driving force. People in this ****ing thread are saying we only beat Spurs because they missed Kane, yet will not accept us missing our best player as a reason for some poor performances. It's farcical. I'd expect it from oppos but it's a bit much in here.

bucketybuck

Jayop wrote: »

out best player being out isn't an excuse for us being poor against them despite winning the game?

Jayop wrote: »

We weren't poor in that game ffs.

Utterly deserved to win the game.

Well you said we were, but that wasn't the point anyway.

You could object to any claim that Kane being out gives them an excuse that we seemingly don't have despite Pogba being missing, except that the Spurs result is only one result out of four or five. People are talking about continued poor performances, not one game.

DM_7

Jayop wrote: »

That's the one. That's we've just beat, that's 3 points behind us, that's conceded 3 more goals and scored 4 less.

Ah yes but they were missing Kane so that's an excuse. Just don't dare mention that we missed Pogba and the rest recently.

Yeah, Kane was missing for one game. Poor Spurs.

Meanwhile Pogba hasn't played is 7 weeks.

Neither has Miki tbh, but he is not injured and his lack of quality without Pobga, after a good start is big concern.

Jayop

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well you said we were, but that wasn't the point anyway.

You could object to any claim that Kane being out gives them an excuse that we seemingly don't have despite Pogba being missing, except that the Spurs result is only one result out of four or five. People are talking about continued poor performances, not one game.

I was saying that in response to the OP's point. We were not poor against Spurs.

4/5 games that Pogba was missing for. Hence why it's such a clear contributing factor. I don't get how this is hard to understand or why it should have to be anything other than standard thinking. We were playing good football, scoring loads of goals. Our best player gets injured, suddenly the performances dry up a bit but thankfully by and large the results have been good.

If after Pogba is back a few games we're still playing badly then I'll concede it's a deeper malaise.

beno619

Giggsy11 wrote: »

It's not like we don't have numbers, it's that we don't have anyone like Pogba, meaning what he brings to the team. If there is, he won't be back up player for ManUtd.

Pogba makes team tick, not saying every game we will be winning 4-0s, or he will play like Messi but ManUtd with Pogba >>>>>> ManUtd without Pogba as he brings qualities to the team that only he can in the squad.

Also not sure where this Liverpool thing creeped in, looks like you have mixed up few arguments.

You stated that the midfield was hopeless without Pogba. Which is incorrect.

Nobody has argued against Pogba making us better on paper.

Robson99

astradave wrote: »

We just beat Spurs! Yet all the talk is about how good they are (and City) and how bad we are?

Yes do you watch the games. United are actually **** to watch at the moment. Ya we beat a couple of the weak teams well but we have been negative and boring to watch against the better teams. Even the little lad can see that

beno619

Pogba was still in the side when our level of performance dropped this season.

Nalz

beno619 wrote: »

Pogba was still in the side when our level of performance dropped this season.

what games and how many, just out of interest?

DM_7

beno619 wrote: »

Pogba was still in the side when our level of performance dropped this season.

Pogba missed the last 10 games.

Robson99

Jayop wrote: »

I don't get how this is hard to understand or why it should have to be anything other than standard thinking. We were playing good football, scoring loads of goals. Our best player gets injured, suddenly the performances dry up a bit but thankfully by and large the results have been good.

Who did we beat....dog and ****in duck teams. He wasn't our best payer either.We were dirt again Stoke, dirt again Huddersfield, dirt again Liverpool and if Ali scores his sitter everyone would be saying how poor we were. That result has covered up a lot of our performances. And the reason is not Pogba. Jesus if Manchester United are dependant on one player then we are ****ed.
IMO its the manager and his negative football philosophy thats the problem

Jayop

Robson99 wrote: »

Who did we beat....dog and ****in duck teams. He wasn't our best payer either.We were dirt again Stoke, dirt again Huddersfield, dirt again Liverpool and if Ali scores his sitter everyone would be saying how poor we were. That result has covered up a lot of our performances. And the reason is not Pogba. Jesus if Manchester United are dependant on one player then we are ****ed.
IMO its the manager and his negative football philosophy thats the problem

lol we beat Spurs that everyone is saying how great they are, but when we play them they're the dog and duck. Get ****ing real.

If that Alli chance was a sitter I might as well give up football at this stage. Crazy stuff.

Rye analysis of our game from last night I don't want to talk about the goals but we will just have a rant about Jose. That's what's wrong with journalism these days.

Robson99

Jayop wrote: »

lol we beat Spurs that everyone is saying how great they are, but when we play them they're the dog and duck. Get ****ing real.

If that Alli chance was a sitter I might as well give up football at this stage. Crazy stuff.

Lol I'm on about who we beat with Pogba in the team.
Maybe you should

Nalz

Robson99 wrote: »

Who did we beat....dog and ****in duck teams. He wasn't our best payer either.We were dirt again Stoke, dirt again Huddersfield, dirt again Liverpool and if Ali scores his sitter everyone would be saying how poor we were. That result has covered up a lot of our performances. And the reason is not Pogba. Jesus if Manchester United are dependant on one player then we are ****ed.
IMO its the manager and his negative football philosophy thats the problem

Fair point. Very fair. I think some posters are being over dramatic saying how bad we are, may you are included here, but your overall point does not stink in the slightest. Alli chance wasn't that easy though.

We're not playing attractive football...and we'll probably won't against big teams or important away games. Question is, does that matter now? Is it a building job, or is just Mourinho? So, should we wait until it goes tits up, or until he gets to another level, then bring in someone so sexy that our penises will be as big as a nice big penis, and happy days glory glory lets go win it all pep tappy tip tap!

DM_7

Robson99 wrote: »

Who did we beat....dog and ****in duck teams. He wasn't our best payer either.We were dirt again Stoke, dirt again Huddersfield, dirt again Liverpool and if Ali scores his sitter everyone would be saying how poor we were. That result has covered up a lot of our performances. And the reason is not Pogba. Jesus if Manchester United are dependant on one player then we are ****ed.
IMO its the manager and his negative football philosophy thats the problem

Jose goes for control, a game can be controlled in more than one way.

30+ games at home unbeaten, one loss in all competitions, lowest goals conceded in the league (zero at home).

Side has improved at home and look less likely to have the horrible home results that killed last season.

If anything, its a lack of ability to control away from home that caused the 5 point gap with City, lost points v Stoke and loss v Huddersfield.

You may not like his style, that is fine, but you may be letting passion or ideals sway your opinion on the results.

Jose has a lot of work still to do, left back, no 10 and creative midfield, right side all need improvements to give him the control.

No doubt you will be annoyed at the weekend with the team. Remember, United only won once in around 15 years at Stamford Bridge, that damn Jose! (Yes last season and the seasons he was Chelsea manager are his fault).

beno619

beno619 wrote: »

Pogba was still in the side when our level of performance dropped this season.

Sorry but that's simply not true

Robson99

Nalz wrote: »

Fair point. Very fair. I think some posters are being over dramatic saying how bad we are, may you are included here, but your overall point does not stink in the slightest. Alli chance wasn't that easy though.

We're not playing attractive football...and we'll probably won't against big teams or important away games. Question is, does that matter now? Is it a building job, or is just Mourinho? So, should we wait until it goes tits up, or until he gets to another level, then bring in someone so sexy that our penises will be as big as a nice big penis, and happy days glory glory lets go win it all pep tappy tip tap!

I think it should always matter when its Manchester United. If he keeps playing negative football it will be a short marriage.
I was critical of Lukaku last night. Yes his first touch is poor at times. But maybe the team is not been set up to get the best out of him. Mata and Mikateryan have been very poor yet Mourinho refuses to start Rashford and Martial alongside Lukaku.
Mourinho flirting with PSG , throwing the players under the bus after Huddersfield and then having a go at the fans over Lukaku. Yet he doesn't let Lukaku take the Peno last night to end his drought
He thinks hes bigger than the club and that will not end well

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its tale as old as time lads, the player that is missing gets better with every game that passes.

Some of you are going to be really puzzled when Pogba comes back and we still throw up a few Liverpool/Huddersfield style performances.

But the logic you and a few others keep repeating is that team should be coping without Pogba.

However the players supposed to stepping up are not stepping up. So it doesn't matter a squat. As the team looks significantly weakened because of repeat poor performances from these individuals.

And yet Jose is still pulling results out of his arse and lads are consistently complaining. It's tiresome. The methods might not always be as pretty but who gives a ****.

Everyone wants to "have a go" and "let's get at them".
When you have players like Herrera and Miki struggling to perform the basics of football why bother taking huge risks and leaving gaping holes in defence.

Jose seems to be clued in to this. I believe he is distinctly aware that without Pogba we can't play an expansive wide open approach.

Having fellani provided a plan B also but we can't use him either. Not to say he couldn't be used in plan a.

bangkok

Just looking at champions league groups, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Juventus all currently lying 2nd!!

Robson99

M!Ck^ wrote: »

And yet Jose is still pulling results out of his arse and lads are consistently complaining. It's tiresome. The methods might not always be as pretty but who gives a ****.
.

And therein lies the answer to this debate. Some fans dont give a **** about how we play once we win while the others want to see us playing good football to get the results.
Bragging rights v Entertainment

Cookiemunster

Robson99 wrote: »

And therein lies the answer to this debate. Some fans dont give a **** about how we play once we win while the others want to see us playing good football to get the results.
Bragging rights v Entertainment

Football's about winning. Entertainment doesn't win you games.

bangkok

Hope this doesnt escalate...


'Man Utd fans want Jose meeting'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11108941

Robson99

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Football's about winning. Entertainment doesn't win you games.

Entertainment puts bums on seats which in turn keeps the wheel turning. Maybe the older you get the more you appreciate good entertaining football

Robson99

Robson99 wrote: »

And therein lies the answer to this debate. Some fans dont give a **** about how we play once we win while the others want to see us playing good football to get the results.
Bragging rights v Entertainment

No it doesn't because it looks as if you don't understand the reasons why.

You need those players filling in for the likes of Pogba to be performing. They are not performing. Its as clear as day.
That's why the football has been poor to watch recently.
No glossing over it.

bucketybuck

M!Ck^ wrote: »

And yet Jose is still pulling results out of his arse and lads are consistently complaining. It's tiresome. The methods might not always be as pretty but who gives a ****.

You should give a ****e, because come the final reckoning this method will get us only so far, it won't win us titles or European cups. I don't give a **** that he pulled a result out if his arse against Spurs, it's a losing strategy long term.

And it's not about attacking football or defensive football, if I thought Jose was going to 1-0 us to glory I'd be all over it.

But this scared football is going to cost us. Jose needs to either stop being so scared of other teams or he needs to sort out the reasons he is scared in the first place.

bucketybuck

And before anybody says it, I already know what Jose did at his previous clubs.

Nalz

Soooooooo

limnam

Robson99 wrote: »

And therein lies the answer to this debate. Some fans dont give a **** about how we play once we win while the others want to see us playing good football to get the results.
Bragging rights v Entertainment

Follow Liverpool

All the sexy football with fck all results and no trophies.

problem solved

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

You should give a ****e, because come the final reckoning this method will get us only so far, it won't win us titles or European cups. I don't give a **** that he pulled a result out if his arse against Spurs, it's a losing strategy long term.

And it's not about attacking football or defensive football, if I thought Jose was going to 1-0 us to glory I'd be all over it.

But this scared football is going to cost us. Jose needs to either stop being so scared of other teams or he needs to sort out the reasons he is scared in the first place.

No I don't give a ****e. Not when I understand the current situation.
This won't be the case all season and I'm confident of that.
I just have more patience than others.

deaddonkey15

It's not about entertainment though. It's about our style and form as of late and the points that it may (and arguably already has) cost us. We have very talented attackers capable of scoring goals but opted not to test a sh*t Liverpool defence. We lost to Huddersfield, creating very few real goal scoring chances. We beat Benfica twice with our goals coming more from luck than from any cohesive attacking moves on our part. We struggled against Southampton. We will more than likely play a defensive game and get a draw on Sunday against a vulnerable Chelsea side with a poor defence and a manager that isn't too far away from the sack. In the long run, this kind of mentality is unlikely to deliver too many serious trophies, especially with City playing the way they are. All well and good reciting our impressive goal scoring, clean sheets, CL points and unbeaten games at Old Trafford records, but the fact is City have set a standard that we are unlikely to match let alone surpass if our current mentality and performance levels persist for much longer. At present we are more likely to drop points in a given game then they are. It's not entertainment that some are after, it's hunger, ruthlessness and a little more ambition from our players and manager. That shouldn't be too much to ask of a Manchester United team.