Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Robson99

Great win and a superbly entertaining game of football. Any time you score 3 away from home against a top 6 team means you cant complain. Yes they had too many chances and we got lucky a few times but you cant have it everyway.
I have been critical of Mourinho and his negative tactics in the big games but he deserves credit this evening for changing tact and adopting a high press game for the early part of the game which yielded the two goals. Hopefully we see more of this positive approach.
Great to see Lingard taking his chance when given it.
Finally a word on De Gea. Without doubt the Worlds no 1. Hopefully we can keep him for another 3 or 4 years because tonight highlighted that he is worth his weight in gold.

irishman86

Jayop wrote: »

Dreams are wishes the heart makes true.

Your comments are so much funnier than mine

VW 1

Jayop wrote:

Dreams are wishes the heart makes true.

Direct from the movie, or from the penneys pyjamas!?

On a serious note, motd is excellent watching, and again second time round. Ddg is a beast, just devastating we are without such an important weapon in paul pogba for the derby. Let's hope fellaini is back at least.

jayo26

It must be unbearably hard on them trying to balance out either calling the saves de gea made today were mostly hit at him or else saying that he won us the game it really is a terrible predicament.

De gea was fantastic but that's his job he is probably the best keeper in the work you expect it from him its no different the having a striker that wins you games by scoring goals get over it.


Just seen coutinhos free kick under the wall I loved that it don't happen enough nearly every wall jumps I think hargreeves did it for us a number of years back it looked so cool.

adox

jayo26 wrote: »

It must be unbearably hard on them trying to balance out either calling the saves de gea made today were mostly hit at him or else saying that he won us the game it really is a terrible predicament.

De gea was fantastic but that's his job he is probably the best keeper in the work you expect it from him its no different the having a striker that wins you games by scoring goals get over it.


Just seen coutinhos free kick under the wall I loved that it don't happen enough nearly every wall jumps I think hargreeves did it for us a number of years back it looked so cool.

Yeah he’s expected to makes saves, that’s his job, just like it’s strikers jobs to score goals.

But when a striker scores a special goal we rave about it. Some are legendary decades later.

It’s the same with De Gea and some of his saves. They are other worldly.

I can still remember some of Schmeichels best saves like they were yesterday. They are saves that very few can make. That double save was astounding.

When you see special moments in sport you need to shout from the rooftops about them, not say “yeah well that’s their job”

jayo26

adox wrote: »

Yeah he’s expected to makes saves, that’s his job, just like it’s strikers jobs to score goals.

But when a striker scores a special goal we rave about it. Some are legendary decades later.

It’s the same with De Gea and some of his saves. They are other worldly.

I can still remember some of Schmeichels best saves like they were yesterday. They are saves that very few can make. That double save was astounding.

When you see special moments in sport you need to shout from the rooftops about them, not say “yeah well that’s their job”

I totally agree but I ment in regards to him winning us games ECT that's what he is there for thats why he is on alot of money and why we don't want to lose him.

Liam McPoyle

jayo26 wrote: »

It must be unbearably hard on them trying to balance out either calling the saves de gea made today were mostly hit at him or else saying that he won us the game it really is a terrible predicament.

De gea was fantastic but that's his job he is probably the best keeper in the work you expect it from him its no different the having a striker that wins you games by scoring goals get over it.


Just seen coutinhos free kick under the wall I loved that it don't happen enough nearly every wall jumps I think hargreeves did it for us a number of years back it looked so cool.

A large proportion of them are cnuts anyway so pfffttt.

The oul alternative table against the top 6 in May with the game being played on a prime number
and days ending without Y must be a bit bruised at this point, been a while since I've seen it.

J. Marston

Wink wink.

sReq | uTeK

Robson99 wrote: »

Great win and a superbly entertaining game of football. Any time you score 3 away from home against a top 6 team means you cant complain. Yes they had too many chances and we got lucky a few times but you cant have it everyway.
I have been critical of Mourinho and his negative tactics in the big games but he deserves credit this evening for changing tact and adopting a high press game for the early part of the game which yielded the two goals. Hopefully we see more of this positive approach.
Great to see Lingard taking his chance when given it.
Finally a word on De Gea. Without doubt the Worlds no 1. Hopefully we can keep him for another 3 or 4 years because tonight highlighted that he is worth his weight in gold.

This is EXACTLY what he did against Liverpool on the draw that got him lambasted. High press for 15. Drop off and counter. The only difference today is the attacking players showed up.

ElChe32

While the alcohol slowly drains from my body...am I right in thinking Arsenal should have gotten a red for the foul on Lukaku? Last man? Dunno who it was.

Tits.

jayo26

ElChe32 wrote: »

While the alcohol slowly drains from my body...am I right in thinking Arsenal should have gotten a red for the foul on Lukaku? Last man? Dunno who it was.

Tits.

I think it would of been harsh red to be honest I know he was last man back but bellerin would be up with lukaku again he got past the defender.

fergiesfolly

ElChe32 wrote: »

While the alcohol slowly drains from my body...am I right in thinking Arsenal should have gotten a red for the foul on Lukaku? Last man? Dunno who it was.

Tits.

Although Bellerin was last man back, Lukaku wasn't running directly towards goal, so the foul wasn't worthy of a red.
Apparently.

Shanotheslayer

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Although Bellerin was last man back, Lukaku wasn't running directly towards goal, so the foul wasn't worthy of a red.
Apparently.

There's no apparently about it. It's fact.

Giggsy11

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

There's no apparently about it. It's fact.

Lukaku was running directly towards goal, not sure about Bellerin's position but Lukaku wasn't planning on stadium tour before running towards goal, it was direct run.

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

Wink wink.

From my expertise lip reading.

Martial " Will I see you in January"

Ozil "yes I've already signed purple monkey dishwasher"

Trigger

J. Marston wrote: »

Wink wink.

Ozil was unreal yesterday, put in a serious shift..

Who knew he could turn up in a big game eh?

akelly02

Rojo an absolute disgrace yesterday could have caused 3 goals if de gea wasn’t in that form, a liability along with lindelhoff neither a defender

fergiesfolly

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

There's no apparently about it. It's fact.

I think if he were closer to the touchline, or further up the pitch, I might agree. But if he had gotten away from Bellerin, he would have had a clean run on goal, at a very good angle to goal.
There was a very good view from a high angle on one of BTs replays and had the ref seen that, I think the decision might have been different.

Didn't cost us in the end, but Lukaku needs a couple of quick goals badly. His confidence seems to be waining.
Great to see given his poor goal return he's still giving it everything. Great professionalism

Cantona's Collars

DT on AFTV: "De Gea could save the fooking Titanic". :)

Cantona's Collars

https://youtu.be/OHInKV0yHho

Some great stuff on BT last night,Keane v Viera. Pizza gate,the rivalry over the years between United and Arsenal.

Jayop

It was a stonewall red. Don't be swallowing the crap the ref on bt served up after the game. Had the ref sent him off you can be certain he'd have said it was the right decision.

Also Lindelof had a pretty good game I thought.

StringerBell

Of course it was a red, Kos was last man, Lukaku had a straight run to goal, Bellerin was coming from behind and wide, pacey guy and I am sure he could have been a factor but that doesn't come in to the decision from the letter of the law.

Lukaku had gotten beyond the last man, straight in line with the goal,and he was fouled. Red card

posturingpat

Was watching the game in my local with no volume. What's the general consensus on the red? I felt it very harsh.

Mars Bar

The "last man" rule isn't actually a real rule. My friend has been a ref for a long time and he has been a United fan for 40 years and even he said that it wasn't a red card.

Players who commit a foul to deny a goalscoring opportunity will no longer automatically be sent off, football's rule-making body has confirmed.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36047575

The rule was relaxed last year.

So the ref was correct.

Liam McPoyle

I didn't think the Lukaka incident was red card worthy tbh.

It looked like more of a coming together rather than Rom being chopped down.

Doesn't matter anyway in the grand scheme.

I wonder will they appeal Pogs red?

pjohnson

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2017/Dec/aliou-traore-completes-move-to-manchester-united.aspx?utm_campaign=ManUtd&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook

Thought he joined months ago with the first year scholars?

StringerBell

Mars Bar wrote: »

The "last man" rule isn't actually a real rule. My friend has been a ref for a long time and he has been a United fan for 40 years and even he said that it wasn't a red card.



http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36047575

The rule was relaxed last year.

So the ref was correct.

Not according to the FA rules, here is a FAQ part

Q11: Can a DOGSO offence outside the penalty area be punished with a caution (YC)?

NO – unlike a penalty kick, a free kick is not an obvious chance to score a goal so it does not ‘restore’ the obvious goal-scoring opportunity that was denied by the offence - the disciplinary sanction for all DOGSO offences outside the penalty area remains a sending-off (RC).

The referee has obviously deemed it not a denial of a goalscoring opportunity. I would disagree entirely with that and that is where he has made an error imo.

Taken from http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Trigger

StringerBell wrote: »

Not according to the FA rules, here is a FAQ part





The referee has obviously deemed it not a denial of a goalscoring opportunity. I would disagree entirely with that and that is where he has made an error imo.

Taken from http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

It was to stop “double punishments” of getting a penalty and a red card

StringerBell

astradave wrote: »

It was to stop “double punishments” of getting a penalty and a red card

Yes, that is inside the box. Which is why I quoted the bit that deals with the question of what happens if its outside the box.

sky88

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcPRIdTg5JK/

Trigger

StringerBell wrote: »

Yes, that is inside the box. Which is why I quoted the bit that deals with the question of what happens if its outside the box.

Oh yeah, I was agreeing with you hands full so probably didn’t come across that way, apologies

pjohnson

Tottenham price Rose at £45m. No thanks

Trigger

Don’t think anyone will disagree with that Jose

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/937044983365996546?s=17

Lord TSC

pjohnson wrote: »

Tottenham price Rose at £45m. No thanks

Tbh, that's not bad. Trying to get any upper tier LB in the current market at the current time of year (discounting he's home grown and coming from a direct rival) will be difficult. If we can shift Shaw for 15m and replace him with Rose, awesome.

deaddonkey15

I am quite curious as to how things became personal and went beyond Boards with some of the old posters that people were talking about yesterday. Anyone want to give a quick synopsis?

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tbh, that's not bad. Trying to get any upper tier LB in the current market at the current time of year (discounting he's home grown and coming from a direct rival) will be difficult. If we can shift Shaw for 15m and replace him with Rose, awesome.

Do u think rose is an upper tier left back? I don't I think he is one of the best left back in the league but that's because there is a shortage of quality left backs in the league.

jayo26

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I am quite curious as to how things became personal and went beyond Boards with some of the old posters that people were talking about yesterday. Anyone want to give a quick synopsis?

Nope not the place to be talking about old posters and against the rules.

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tbh, that's not bad. Trying to get any upper tier LB in the current market at the current time of year (discounting he's home grown and coming from a direct rival) will be difficult. If we can shift Shaw for 15m and replace him with Rose, awesome.

Well that’s according to the Sun,mirror and Star.. sounds like Sunday spamday... and that’s only if we want him in January too.. think he is under contract for another 3 years or so.. don’t think he is worth over 30/35m imo but if Jose thinks he is the missing link in defence then so be it..

pjohnson

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tbh, that's not bad. Trying to get any upper tier LB in the current market at the current time of year (discounting he's home grown and coming from a direct rival) will be difficult. If we can shift Shaw for 15m and replace him with Rose, awesome.

I just imagine we could get better value elsewhere and sign a younger player. Maybe say Grimaldo (Benfica) or Gaya (Valencia) (Kurzawa prob be in the same price range as Rose). I've also never been particularly impressed by Rose tbh. The Premier League as a whole seems to have a strange dearth of Left Backs. None of the top 3 actually have a specialised left back starting in the position Young (us) is a left Winger, Delph (City) a central midfielder and Azpilicueta (Chelsea) a right back. I guess Rose is probably the best option if we decide to stick within the English market but on the continent we could get much better value and a better player.

Lord TSC

jayo26 wrote: »

Do u think rose is an upper tier left back? I don't I think he is one of the best left back in the league but that's because there is a shortage of quality left backs in the league.

As you said, there's a serious shortage of quality left backs.

There are others who, potentially, could be better; Ghoulam, Grimaldo, Tierney off the top of my head.

It if Jose is buying in January, you'd have to imagine he'll want to minimise the risk of a settling in period, and Rose who knows the league will hopefully come in at a higher immediate level than the others.

Rayne Wooney

Massive win, how Arsenal only scored 1 is mind boggling. They ripped through our midfield far too easily, Pogba and Matic were overran.

De Gea with possibly the best goalkeeping performance I’ve ever seen.

We looked good on the counter and will need to do the same against City, they will not throw away chances like Arsenal did last night

Unearthly

Praying Fellaini is back next week. Midfield of matic fellaini and herrera needed i reckon

pjohnson

Ederson has apparently only had to make 17 saves all season in his 13 1/2 matches.

Julez

I saw Lingard put up an Instagram post holding the Man of the Match award... he had a good performance, sure, but surely Dave should have got it?

pjohnson

DAVID DE GEA: I FELT UNBEATABLE

David De Gea said he felt unbeatable after playing a starring role in Manchester United’s thrilling 3-1 victory over Arsenal on Saturday evening.

The Spaniard was the overwhelming winner of the club's Man of the Match award by fans on Twitter after making 14 saves – the joint highest total in a Premier League game since Opta recorded that data in 2003/04 – to keep the Gunners at bay.

Although Antonio Valencia's early strike and Jesse Lingard's brace ultimately secured a first win for United at the Emirates Stadium since 2014, De Gea's significant contribution cannot be overlooked as the no.1 was in outstanding form between the sticks – beaten only by Alexandre Lacazette's strike early in the second half.

When asked if he felt unbeatable, De Gea told MUTV: “Sometimes, you just start a game with a really good save, with a good feeling, you feel that [unbeatable] but we started the game really well, we scored two important goals and it’s true that we lost a bit of a control of the game after, but it was a good performance.”

With United leading 2-1 at the time, De Gea made a remarkable double save to deny Lacazette's low half-volley and Alexis Sanchez's effort on the follow-up. When asked which was his favourite from a fine string of stops, he acknowledged: “Probably the double save when we were winning 2-1 [in the second half].

"I think that was the most important save but, like I said, the full team defended very well and fought for the three points.”

De Gea even had to react quickly to make a save from team-mate Romelu Lukaku, who inadvertently turned a Sanchez free-kick towards goal when the ball hit his leg as he fell to the ground under pressure from Granit Xhaka.

The keeper joked: “Yes, he nearly scored an own goal! But I saved that ball and after that, I think he did a really good job.”

The Reds were threatening on the break throughout the game and defended heroically at times, with Paul Pogba's red card being the only negative on an otherwise memorable evening. De Gea felt his team were successfully solid after the midfielder's dismissal.

“We probably defended better after Paul was sent off,” he said. “We defended very well, I don’t think they created many chances after that, so the three points stayed with us. It was a brilliant performance from the team, defensively and on the counter attack we killed them, so we’re really happy with the three points.”

The crucial win in North London meant United have recorded four successive league wins for the first time this season – including two impressive victories on the road in the space of five days, after Tuesday’s 4-2 success at Watford.

De Gea admitted it's been a tough week but the positive results have given the team plenty of confidence, heading into an important double-header at Old Trafford against CSKA Moscow in the UEFA Champions League and leaders Manchester City in the Premier League derby.

The Spanish stopper added: “We're really happy. I think they were both very tough games away from home so we now have confidence to play the last Champions League group game and after that, the derby. We're really confident now, we score many goals and this is the key as we look forward to the next game."

Source: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2017/Dec/David-De-Gea-told-MUTV-he-felt-unstoppable-after-Man-of-the-Match-display-in-Arsenal-v-Man-United.aspx?utm_campaign=ManUtd&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook

Trigger

Julez wrote: »

I saw Lingard put up an Instagram post holding the Man of the Match award... he had a good performance, sure, but surely Dave should have got it?

While I agree Dave was up there for MOTM, the amount of work that Lingard put in was unreal, he had a cracking game and there was very little between them.. I’d say the votes would always go to the more attacking player

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

While I agree Dave was up there for MOTM, the amount of work that Lingard put in was unreal, he had a cracking game and there was very little between them.. I’d say the votes would always go to the more attacking player

Going by clubs twitter vote. (1 retweet = 1 vote)

De Gea 39.3k retweets
Lingard 2.7k retweets
Rojo 1.1k retweets

David won by a unusual landslide. I'd have thought Jesse been much closer.


The last MOTM award (vs Watford) Ashley got it with only 11k (Lingard 2.3k and Pogba 846). Dave got huge support yesterday

Julez

astradave wrote: »

While I agree Dave was up there for MOTM, the amount of work that Lingard put in was unreal, he had a cracking game and there was very little between them.. I’d say the votes would always go to the more attacking player

Like I said, Jesse had a good performance, but DDG literally matched a PL record for most saves in a single match...

Mitch Connor

Julez wrote: »

Like I said, Jesse had a good performance, but DDG literally matched a PL record for most saves in a single match...

Man of the match is given by the broadcaster. It basically doesn't matter what happens in a match most of the time, goalscorers will get man of the match. Giggs got a few times playing absolute trash for 89 minutes but getting a late goal or assist.

Lingard played well and got two goals. He was 100% going to get it from the broadcaster.

Lord TSC

Julez wrote: »

I saw Lingard put up an Instagram post holding the Man of the Match award... he had a good performance, sure, but surely Dave should have got it?

Michael Owens straight up said during commentary while he knew DDG had been unreal, Lingard had scored twice to win the game, and he tends to favour goal scorers. Tbh, both deserved it.