Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Jayop

Some stats that I'm updating after games. I find this crap interesting so I might as well share....

(added a few names at random to track their progress against)

United appearances record
1 Giggs 963
12 Roy Keane 480
17 Carrick 459 (who knew???)
56 Vidic 300
88 VanNistlerooy 219
140 Yorke 152
162 Stam 127
213 Martial 97
243 Rashford 78
276 Pogba 64

United Goal All-Time - (Worth keeping an eye on)
1 Rooney 253
2 Charlton 249
6 George Best 179
8 Ryan Giggs 168
18 Ronaldo 118
22 Bryan Robson 99
38 RVP 58
68 Juan Mata 36
86 Welbeck 29
88 Zlatan 28
90 Martial 28
113 Rashford 22
137 Forlan 17
181 Pogba 11
227 Lukaku 7

United League
1 Charlton 199
7 George Best 137
11 Ryan Giggs 114
21 Ronaldo 84
40 RVP 48
55 Javier Hernandez 37
105 Welbeck 20
114 Martial 18
116 Zlatan 17
149 Rashford 12
173 Forlan 10
205 Pogba 7
244 Lukaku 5

United Europe (A bit harder to get the combined stats for all comps)
1 Rooney 39
2 VanNistelrooy 38
3 Giggs 29
4 Law 28
5 Scholes 26
Zlatan 5
Rashford 5
Martial 5
Lukaku 2 (including CWC final)

Premier League all time
1 Alan Shearer Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle United 260
2 Wayne Rooney Everton, Manchester United 200
8 Michael Owen Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester United, Stoke 150
24 Drogba Chelsea 104
35 Lukaku WBA, Everton, Manchester United 90
107 Mata Chelsea, Manchester United 45
361 Martial Manchester United 18
378 Zlatan Manchester United 17
525 Rashford Manchester United 12
794 Pogba Manchester United 7

Lithium93_

New piece by Andy Mitten on De Gea.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/manchester-united/360/blog/post/3207510/david-de-gea-continues-to-impress-as-part-of-manchester-united-fine-start-to-the-season

SteM

astradave wrote: »

Went off with a hip injury 2 weeks ago. Not sure if he is still injured though, he played on for a good 15 mins after it happened

Wilson is playing for the u23s tonight.

Trigger

SteM wrote: »

Wilson is playing for the u23s tonight.

Yeah as I said I wasn't sure if he recovered, must have just been a knock. Will have a look later and see how he does

Mitch Connor

SteM wrote: »

Wilson is playing for the u23s tonight.

No Tuanzebe or McTominay - indicates they'll be part of the squad vs Burton.

jayo26

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No Tuanzebe or McTominay - indicates they'll be part of the squad vs Burton.

Really hope he rests players tomorrow night we can't afford to let happen what happened last year.

yabadabado

Jayop wrote: »

Premier League all time
1 Alan Shearer Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle United 260
2 Wayne Rooney Everton, Manchester United 200
8 Michael Owen Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester United, Stoke 150
24 Drogba Chelsea 104
35 Lukaku WBA, Everton, Manchester United 90
107 Mata Chelsea, Manchester United 45
361 Martial Manchester United 18
378 Zlatan Manchester United 17
525 Rashford Manchester United 12
794 Pogba Manchester United 7

Lukaku has every chance of beating Shearer's record.He could have 8+years left in the Premiership.More than likely will score 100 league goals before he's 25 not many players do that.Owen Rooney and Fowler the only ones afaik

pjohnson

Much prefer Tuanzebe plays over Smalling.

bucketybuck

Deleted User wrote: »

With Martial this season so far, I'd suggest (and did in a response to you last week which might have went unseen) that the poor Basel performance which was typical of too many of Martial's last season, was the exception to a good start to the new season for him.

I did see that post, it was a long post that necessitated the type of proper reply that I didn't have time to sit and write. By the time I did have that time, the moment seemed to have past and the discussion moved on.

In short, I don't really agree with your opinion that Martial is having a good season and that the Basle game was just an exception. He has had a couple of good cameos but thats nowhere near enough to dispel any concerns I have about him, and here is why.

Martial has looked good in three of his sub appearances, but rather underwhelming in both of the starts he has been given. Is that not a worry?

It is to me, its all well and good coming on late and bagging a few goals but we need Martial to step up and be a consistent first team player, but just like last season when he is given the responsibility and a first team start he underwhelms.

I'm not writing him off, it is early days and he will get more chances as the season goes on, but when you say that he has done well and that Basle was just a blip I have to say, no, its not a blip, its exactly what we have been seeing for a long time and a few good cameos shouldn't disguise that.

Thats why I want to see him play against Burton, I want him to come out and stand up and rip them to pieces. And then the next time he starts a game to go and do the same against PL opposition. And then do it again. And then maybe I'll start to believe anything has changed.

beno619

yabadabado wrote: »

Lukaku has every chance of beating Shearer's record.He could have 8+years left in the Premiership

Might be a stretch but assuming he can stay fit he should hit 200.

jayo26

beno619 wrote: »

Might be a stretch but assuming he can stay fit he should hit 200.

What he does have going for him is he seems to look after himself and is in great shape as long as he doesn't peak too early and avoids serious injuries he has great chance.

I think it will be between lukaku and Kane to come close.

VW 1

yabadabado wrote:

Lukaku has every chance of beating Shearer's record.He could have 8+years left in the Premiership.More than likely will score 100 league goals before he's 25 not many players do that.Owen Rooney and Fowler the only ones afaik

Hasn't kane just hit 100? I'd say he's the most likely to beat shearers record.

Out of interest, how many did shearer score prior to PL if any? The recording of records since PL inception annoys me, I'd much rather have the league goals since day one as the benchmark.

S.M.B.

Kane just got 100 Tottenham goals and not premier league goals. Himself and Lukaku are in very similar positions. Lukaku could do with upping his penalty game if he wants to trouble the big hitters.

Hococop

What I found

Kane 80 pl goals
Lukaku 90 pl goals

yabadabado

VW 1 wrote: »

Hasn't kane just hit 100? I'd say he's the most likely to beat shearers record.

Out of interest, how many did shearer score prior to PL if any? The recording of records since PL inception annoys me, I'd much rather have the league goals since day one as the benchmark.

Sheared scored 23 goals in the old first division .

I think both Kane and Lukaku have realistic chances of breaking the record,they both have very similar records to date although Lukaku has 35 more appearances afaik

Mr.Crinklewood

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/18/rio-ferdinand-boxing-manchester-united-curtis-woodhouse

Rio Ferdinand will announce on Tuesday that he is to become a professional boxer at 38 in a dramatic change of career two years after his retirement from football.

According to various reports, the switch will be confirmed at a lunchtime press conference in east London. Ferdinand will confirm a bid to follow in the footsteps of other converts such at Curtis Woodhouse, the former Sheffield United player, who became British light-welterweight champion in 2014 before retiring from the sport.

Champagne supernova football as Manchester clubs stand apart – Football Weekly

Ferdinand has been working as a pundit for BT Sport since his last playing role in football, a season-long spell at Queens Park Rangers in 2014-15. His enthusiasm for boxing has been made public in the past, with Instagram videos having shown him in training and one photograph showing him posing with the world heavyweight champion, Anthony Joshua.


The six-times Premier League winner with Manchester United, who won 81 England caps, will have to apply for a professional boxing licence but will hope his previous successes translate into his new discipline.

v3ttel

The f*ck??

Donnielighto

Rio vs vidic

ElChe32

Mourinho is some buck.

"In 105 matches that he has overseen on a Sunday, he has never suffered a defeat in any, accumulating 81 wins and 24 draws."

Crazy stat.

Liam McPoyle

ElChe32 wrote: »

Mourinho is some buck.

"In 105 matches that he has overseen on a Sunday, he has never suffered a defeat in any, accumulating 81 wins and 24 draws."

Crazy stat.

#fustedblush

QikBax

Home games.

We lost multiple Sunday games last season

bucketybuck

Fair play to Rio, there is nothing easy about boxing and if he wants to give it a shot then more power to him.

He is still a young man, a multimillionaire with a lot of time on his hands, why wouldn't he get involved in something new? I'd be more surprised if these top players didn't get into these sorts of things, they needed to be very driven to reach the top of professional football in the first place and I'm sure that drive doesn't disappear easily.

adox

bucketybuck wrote: »

Fair play to Rio, there is nothing easy about boxing and if he wants to give it a shot then more power to him.

He is still a young man, a multimillionaire with a lot of time on his hands, why wouldn't he get involved in something new? I'd be more surprised if these top players didn't get into these sorts of things, they needed to be very driven to reach the top of professional football in the first place and I'm sure that drive doesn't disappear easily.

He may be a young man but he's ancient in boxing terms and it seems bonkers that he would want to take it up professionally aged 38.

Billy86

I've nothing against boxing (well, apart from dodgy decisions...........) but if I had made as much money as someone like Rio has, the last thing I would want to do would be getting seriously into competitive boxing at nearly 40 years of age. The lads that chose to do it have a lot of balls to them and I'd be far from the type to scream "blood sport!" or whatnot but I can't think of any other sport I'd be as uneasy getting into beyond maybe sparring type of stuff for fitness, personally. Blunt force to the head scares the crap out of me!

J. Marston

It'll go the same way as CM Punk's glorious MMA career.

StringerBell

More likely to be a Flintoff (probably where he got the idea!) pay a guy to fall make a documentary thing. Idris Elba did his own one last year too or the year before.

Giggsy11

VW 1 wrote: »

Hasn't kane just hit 100? I'd say he's the most likely to beat shearers record.

Out of interest, how many did shearer score prior to PL if any? The recording of records since PL inception annoys me, I'd much rather have the league goals since day one as the benchmark.

Kane has scored 80 PL goals, Lukaku 90,

paulbok

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/18/rio-ferdinand-boxing-manchester-united-curtis-woodhouse

Rio Ferdinand will announce on Tuesday that he is to become a professional boxer at 38 in a dramatic change of career two years after his retirement from football.

According to various reports, the switch will be confirmed at a lunchtime press conference in east London. Ferdinand will confirm a bid to follow in the footsteps of other converts such at Curtis Woodhouse, the former Sheffield United player, who became British light-welterweight champion in 2014 before retiring from the sport.

Champagne supernova football as Manchester clubs stand apart – Football Weekly

Ferdinand has been working as a pundit for BT Sport since his last playing role in football, a season-long spell at Queens Park Rangers in 2014-15. His enthusiasm for boxing has been made public in the past, with Instagram videos having shown him in training and one photograph showing him posing with the world heavyweight champion, Anthony Joshua.


The six-times Premier League winner with Manchester United, who won 81 England caps, will have to apply for a professional boxing licence but will hope his previous successes translate into his new discipline.

Is he Merkin' again?

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/910028407995379712

jayo26

loved berbatov I can't understand how people didn't rate him.

Liam McPoyle

That second goal was absolute filth.

I loved that lazy Bulgarian bastard.

bangkok

I wouldnt like to step into the ring with rio. He is an animal in serious shape.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

loved berbatov I can't understand how people didn't rate him.

Class footballer but unbelievable lazy attitude. His penalty miss v everton sums him up

Mitch Connor

bangkok wrote: »

I wouldnt like to step into the ring with rio. He is an animal in serious shape.

takes way more than being in shape. Takes hand speed, reactions, footwork, tactics, technique etc.

Sure, I wouldn't want to get in a ring with him - but much like I would bet on any good pro boxer to beat McGregor in the ring, I would bet on any decent pro boxer to beat Rio (or any new to boxing person) in the ring.

Unless he is fighting some absolute bum, he should be getting soundly beaten in a fair fight.

If its a passion of his then fair play to him for just going for it (he has the time and money to do so) but there is zero chance of him making an actual career out of it or putting down a real marker at the high levels.

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

Class footballer but unbelievable lazy attitude. His penalty miss v everton sums him up

I wouldn't be gauging his attitude on one penalty :P

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

Class footballer but unbelievable lazy attitude. His penalty miss v everton sums him up

There is nothing lazy about this..

This sums him up more than a ****in penalty miss.

Absolute class player

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Class footballer but unbelievable lazy attitude. His penalty miss v everton sums him up

Bangkok that's nonsense one penalty does not sum him up the performances he put.in for us and the sublime things he could do with a ball summed him up.

Yes he wasn't a runner but that's his game he was excellent value for money for us.

yabadabado

bangkok wrote: »

I wouldnt like to step into the ring with rio. He is an animal in serious shape.

Huge difference between being in great shape and actually having ringcraft.The lad mightnt have a clue when he gets into the ring,the old Mike Tyson qoute springs to mind.

brinty

bangkok wrote: »

I wouldnt like to step into the ring with rio. He is an animal in serious shape.

Thats cos you know what he'd do with you..

bangkok wrote: »

Class footballer but unbelievable lazy attitude. His penalty miss v everton sums him up

Are ye still drunk... christ how many important penalties did Rooney and Ronaldo miss.. does that sum them up

If you're not careful I'm gonna put ye over my knee son...

That'll be far worse than anything Rio would do with ye in a boxing ring...

KH25

Loving all the Berbatov love today. Great player!

brinty

just for Bangkok

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

takes way more than being in shape. Takes hand speed, reactions, footwork, tactics, technique etc.

Sure, I wouldn't want to get in a ring with him - but much like I would bet on any good pro boxer to beat McGregor in the ring, I would bet on any decent pro boxer to beat Rio (or any new to boxing person) in the ring.

Unless he is fighting some absolute bum, he should be getting soundly beaten in a fair fight.

If its a passion of his then fair play to him for just going for it (he has the time and money to do so) but there is zero chance of him making an actual career out of it or putting down a real marker at the high levels.

How do you know this? Serious question. For all we know he could actually be very talented as a boxer. I'm not saying he is, but how can you say he isn't?

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

Bangkok that's nonsense one penalty does not sum him up the performances he put.in for us and the sublime things he could do with a ball summed him up.

Yes he wasn't a runner but that's his game he was excellent value for money for us.

His attitude in the interview after as well.

Like i said he was a class footballer, great when the team is winning, outrageous skill, i would compare him to ozil at arsenal though, brilliant when things are going well but when the chips are down and the backs are against the wall he wasnt up to it.

bangkok

Mitch Connor wrote: »

takes way more than being in shape. Takes hand speed, reactions, footwork, tactics, technique etc.

Sure, I wouldn't want to get in a ring with him - but much like I would bet on any good pro boxer to beat McGregor in the ring, I would bet on any decent pro boxer to beat Rio (or any new to boxing person) in the ring.

Unless he is fighting some absolute bum, he should be getting soundly beaten in a fair fight.

If its a passion of his then fair play to him for just going for it (he has the time and money to do so) but there is zero chance of him making an actual career out of it or putting down a real marker at the high levels.

As some said earlier, he is probably going down the freddie flintoff route. He also has amazing drive and passion and if he was fighting some bum in his debut fight i will be backing him to win

Giggsy11

Shaw didn't play against Chelsea U23s, so looks like Shaw and McTominay will be involved tomorrow. Hopefully Shaw starts and plays full 90 mins.

brinty

bangkok wrote: »

His attitude in the interview after as well.

Like i said he was a class footballer, great when the team is winning, outrageous skill, i would compare him to ozil at arsenal though, brilliant when things are going well but when the chips are down and the backs are against the wall he wasnt up to it.

you could say the same about plenty of footballers.
Cop yourself on would ye.

bangkok

brinty wrote: »

you could say the same about plenty of footballers.
Cop yourself on would ye.

Its a valid argument. He didnt even make the bench for champione league final v barcelona

DrPhilG

Just heard on the radio that Kick it Out, the anti racism campaign, have written to united asking them to get fans to stop chanting the Lukaku big dick song.

brinty

bangkok wrote: »

Its a valid argument. He didnt even make the bench for champione league final v barcelona

Was that in the same season he was instrumental in winning a league title, was player of the month in January of that season and finished top scorer in the golden boot...

Yea he was terrible...

bangkok

brinty wrote: »

Was that in the same season he was instrumental in winning a league title, was player of the month in January of that season and finished top scorer in the golden boot...

Yea he was terrible...

Where exactly did i say he was terrible??