Why Does The Irish Media Hate Conor Mcgregor?

kilns

and so what will you think of Conor when he loses on Saturday night?

ooter

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Conor Mcgrgor never did nothing much for me to be honest. I think the main reason there is a dislike for him is because the sport comes across as very rough.
If you asked me who were the people that I knew that followed it. There rough lads. Who were rude and disrespectful in school and still are as adults. It's not to do with being from a poor area or your background.
I also think parents don't want to promote it to there kids because they don't want there kids to get involved in what appears to be such a violent sport.
I have no idea what he's like as a person he might be lovely or horrible. I'd like to meet him.

If you took the first 2 words out of that quote you could easily be talking about a rugby player.

kilns

Dantian wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

So when McGregor loses on Saturday to Mayweather you will call him a loser too?
Or when he lost to Nate Diaz was he a loser too?

NOT AT ALL! Not even sure how you got that from what I said.  

He will lose, because thems the breaks - but it was a bloody smart move to have the fight at all!!

He could have made a career 'undefeated' having boring fights against guys he KNEW he could beat but having these BIG 'grudge matches' or taking on boxers like Mayweather when he himself isnt a professional boxer is effing balsy and a great business move for him.  

professional atheletes win and lose all the time because thats the nature of their job, like stockbrokers making money and losing money but McGregor has transitioned from sportsman to business man and thats how you go from being rich to wealthy.

But the point was made that the ODonovans and Murphy were losers because they only got silver medals, when competing against all what the world could produce.

Conor effectively came second in his fight with Diaz and will come second in his fight with Mayweather so by definition he will be a loser too, albeit a rich one

Dirty Dingus McGee

ooter wrote: »

Probably an achievement to those individuals but at the end of the day they lost, people may choose to celebrate that but I wouldn't.

There are 3 olympic medals handed out every 4 years.Less than 1 per year, getting an Olympic Medal in any sport is a great achvement.

Dantian

kilns wrote: »

But the point was made that the ODonovans and Murphy were losers because they only got silver medals, when competing against all what the world could produce.

Conor effectively came second in his fight with Diaz and will come second in his fight with Mayweather so by definition he will be a loser too, albeit a rich one

Depends on how you define loser. he could win easy fights against nobodies and be rich, or he can take on fights like Mayweather etc, win or lose and then become wealthy.

There is a vast difference.

E.g George Forman got rich playing football - he became wealthy putting his name on those grills.

Tell me how

Dantian wrote:

E.g George Forman got rich playing football - he became wealthy putting his name on those grills.

George Foreman was a boxer.

ooter

kilns wrote: »

But the point was made that the ODonovans and Murphy were losers because they only got silver medals, when competing against all what the world could produce.

Conor effectively came second in his fight with Diaz and will come second in his fight with Mayweather so by definition he will be a loser too, albeit a rich one

He was still world champion after losing the Diaz fight and will still be world champion win or lose tomorrow night, last time I checked those silver medalists you mentioned were never world champions.

cletus

Dantian wrote: »

Depends on how you define loser. he could win easy fights against nobodies and be rich, or he can take on fights like Mayweather etc, win or lose and then become wealthy.

There is a vast difference.

E.g George Forman got rich playing football - he became wealthy putting his name on those grills.

George Foreman got rich playing football...George Foreman the professional boxer.

I am officially done with this thread

Dantian

cletus wrote: »

George Foreman got rich playing football...George Foreman the professional boxer.

I am officially done with this thread

lol whoops! need another coffee I think!

stephenl15

road_high wrote: »

I'm not sure which is worse tbh- McGregor himself who's just playing an act to make money or the mindless idiots that "follow" him and think is some kind of talent.
I don't think ever the phrase "money can't buy you class" were more apt for an individual. They should put his name beside the word crass in the dictionary.

That's an embarrassing comment honestly

Theboinkmaster

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes when McGregor first turned up to late late - what was that 4 years ago - he was totally and utterly charming

As I said - I looked in to see what the hype was all all about.

People going on about accent is balls - he has just changed. you can have a working class accent and be classy or not.

This sums it up perfectly for me. I appreciate his hard work and skill, what he has achieved in such a short space of time and fair play to him for making so much money.

But the guy comes across as an angry knacker to me, with zero class. At the start I loved him (like that late late show clip) but now after seeing him throw cans/bottles across a room a year or two ago at Nate Diaz I lost all respect for him.

Angry little knacker with no class about him.

Birdie Num Num

Dantian wrote: »

Depends on how you define loser. he could win easy fights against nobodies and be rich, or he can take on fights like Mayweather etc, win or lose and then become wealthy.

There is a vast difference.

E.g George Forman got rich playing football - he became wealthy putting his name on those grills.

Mayweather - A retired boxer in his 40s who hasn't fought a competitive fight in 2 years. A good career behind him obviously but a bit of perspective please.

flaneur

It's nothing to do with his achievements and he could be a lovely guy in person, but it's to do with the way the event's being promoted with aggressive 'psyching' of his opponent and some of the words used were pretty controversial and garnered all sorts of negative press at home and abroad.

His promotors are painting a picture of a hard-man who grew up in some kind of urban war zone / ghetto called 'Crumlin' where he was lucky to escape with his life.

It's all about building this 'fighting Irish' mythology around him and it's all about marketing in the US to drive up PPV numbers. The image that's being portrayed irritates a lot of people in Ireland as it's largely just marketing and playing on stereotypes.

If you compare that to the rowers in West Cork or any of those olympians, they're just normal sports people and they're getting positive publicity because they're media-friendly and nice. Of course they'll get a very different kind of coverage.

The way this fight's being promoted is more like WWE level of hype.

weldoninhio

Dantian wrote: »

Depends on how you define loser. he could win easy fights against nobodies and be rich, or he can take on fights like Mayweather etc, win or lose and then become wealthy.

There is a vast difference.

E.g George Forman got rich playing football - he became wealthy putting his name on those grills.

What about when he lost to Joe Duffy or Artemji Sitenkov?? Was he a loser then?? They aren't huge names!!

Birdie Num Num

ooter wrote: »

He was still world champion after losing the Diaz fight and will still be world champion win or lose tomorrow night, last time I checked those silver medalists you mentioned were never world champions.

You're wrong there. Presumably you would be of the opinion that McGregor is fighting a loser tomorrow night too considering Mayweather only managed a bronze in the Olympics. Considering he has retired now too it should be a handy fight for McGregor if he is what he is has been elevated to.

WinnyThePoo

I'm a fan of McGregor. Not only his skill level but his image and talking has made him the biggest money draw in ufc.

He's the full package.

I'm not sure slagging athletes from other sports like the o'donovon brothers or Murphy and calling them losers is on.
They have also worked their asses off to get to the level they have had success in.

I'm sure McGregor would be a fan of other Irish athletes having success on the world stage.

kilns

ooter wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

But the point was made that the ODonovans and Murphy were losers because they only got silver medals, when competing against all what the world could produce.

Conor effectively came second in his fight with Diaz and will come second in his fight with Mayweather so by definition he will be a loser too, albeit a rich one

He was still world champion after losing the Diaz fight and will still be world champion win or lose tomorrow night, last time I checked those silver medalists you mentioned were never world champions.

So was Sonia OSullivan a loser for not winning gold at say the '96 Olympics?

Sofiztikated

Watch this, then come back and tell me how much of a no class, uncouth, knacker he is.

ooter

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

You're wrong there.

Are you saying McGregor wasn't world champion before/after he lost to Diaz?

Tell me how

Sofiztikated wrote:

Watch this, then come back and tell me how much of a no class, uncouth, knacker he is.

That's a fair point. But the crass image he portrays (at times) is what ticks a lot off.
He does it to get paid? Ok, I just don't like that version of him.

Birdie Num Num

ooter wrote: »

Are you saying McGregor wasn't world champion before/after he lost to Diaz?

Be selective why don't you. I am saying that you are wrong in what you said in your post and you know where you are wrong.

Dirty Dingus McGee

McGregor could be a very nice guy in general (like any other person) the problem is that he poromotes his fights in such a classless and charmless manner (in my opinion) that it's hard to find him to be likeable and it's hard to ignore some of the things he's said.The Klitskho Joshua fight had none of that nonsense and it didn't make any less of a big event so you don't really need all the ****e McGregor goes on with to sell a fight.

I'm sure I'll be bombarded with a whole load of arguments to the contrary however it'll make zero difference because likeability is a gut feeling it isn't something you can argue for or against either he is likeable to you or he isn't and personally I just don't like him.

bur

He's a hateful personality. Yes it's an act but most of his fanboys, the impressionable ones, don't realise this, which also makes him a terrible role model.
We have enough youth that think it's hilarious to run around slapping the heads off people for no reason, cause it's a laugh. They don't need any extra encouragement.

Wheeliebin30

bur wrote: »

He's a hateful personality. Yes it's an act but most of his fanboys, the impressionable ones, don't realise this, which also makes him a terrible role model.
We have enough youth that think it's hilarious to run around slapping the heads off people for no reason, cause it's a laugh. They don't need any extra encouragement.

ffs someone think of the children.

Ban video games and violent movies quick!

And rap music!

martingriff

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'm a fan of McGregor. Not only his skill level but his image and talking has made him the biggest money draw in ufc.

He's the full package.

I'm not sure slagging athletes from other sports like the o'donovon brothers or Murphy and calling them losers is on.
They have also worked their asses off to get to the level they have had success in.

I'm sure McGregor would be a fan of other Irish athletes having success on the world stage.

While I do not like McGregor I have to agree he is great for the UFC and this mentality by some of his supporters there is something wrong with you if you don't follow him body and soul and then to diss other sports stars is another level. I All ways thought Dublin fans support of Connoly was over the top but this surpasses it

threein99

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Watch this, then come back and tell me how much of a no class, uncouth, knacker he is.

Watch the press tour to any of his fights and show me where the class is ?

ooter

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Be selective why don't you. I am saying that you are wrong in what you said in your post and you know where you are wrong.

Just checked there and I see 1 of the brothers won an individual gold medal at the worlds last year, didn't know that.
Fair play to him, something to be proud of.

Theboinkmaster

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Watch this, then come back and tell me how much of a no class, uncouth, knacker he is.

Watched it - still think he's a no class uncouth knacker.

Didn't act that way in the video but publicly does 90% of the time.

Sofiztikated

Tell me how wrote: »

That's a fair point. But the crass image he portrays (at times) is what ticks a lot off.
He does it to get paid? Ok, I just don't like that version of him.

Which is absolutely fine.

My argument is thus: Why does it take an American (admittedly Emmy award winning) sportscaster to crack that persona? Why does the Irish Media hate Conor, as per the thread title? Why could an Irish mainstream journalist not do this, and push and celebrate the actual Conor, and show that it's not the suits or bling watches that make him successful, but rather his work ethic and his desire to be successful that makes him successful.

But that might take some work, and the lazy, easy option suits them.

road_high

stephenl15 wrote: »

That's an embarrassing comment honestly

Tell us all why it's "embarrassing" so? It's the truth. And you know it.

Blud

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Which is absolutely fine.

My argument is thus: Why does it take an American (admittedly Emmy award winning) sportscaster to crack that persona? Why does the Irish Media hate Conor, as per the thread title? Why could an Irish mainstream journalist not do this, and push and celebrate the actual Conor, and show that it's not the suits or bling watches that make him successful, but rather his work ethic and his desire to be successful that makes him successful.

But that might take some work, and the lazy, easy option suits them.

Yes he works hard, that doesn't mean he's not an assh*le. Plenty of hard workers are assh*les too, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

McGregor behaves like an assh*le so people think he's an assh*le. It's not rocket science really, a lot of people aren't interested enough to think about it in any further detail.

walshb

mdwexford wrote: »

Try and educate yourself a bit if you are going to comment.

I don't get the logic here. What has "education" got to do with some not thinking Conor to be interesting?

If I said I find him obnoxious and arrogant and not remotely interesting, why would I need to educate myself?

Would it not be more you needing to educate yourself on how to reply with some sort of logic?

If I claimed Conor lost 5 times in the octagon I could understand that kind of reply.

freshpopcorn

ooter wrote: »

If you took the first 2 words out of that quote you could easily be talking about a rugby player.

I just have to base it on my experience.

SEPT 23 1989

Why does the chap not speak in his native Dublin accent instead of sounding like someone with an acquired brain injury?

road_high

walshb wrote: »

I don't get the logic here. What has "education" got to do with some not thinking Conor to be interesting?

If I said I find him obnoxious and arrogant and not remotely interesting, why would I need to educate myself?

Would it not be more you needing to educate yourself on how to reply with some sort of logic?

If I claimed Conor lost 5 times in the octagon I could understand that kind of reply.

If you replace the word "educate" with "brainwash" then you probably will have a clearer understanding of what McGregor fanatics are trying to say.

mdwexford

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Remember just because you find him interesting doesn't mean everyonr else has to.

Every time I've heard him speak he's been unbeleivably obnoxious.

Why has he acted like such a jackass in the build up to the fight or in the build up to the fight against Aldo aswell.

if you act like he does beleive it or not a lot of people aren't going to like him because of it.

Whether you find him obnoxious or not he certainly is not boring.

He talks so much trash to sell pay per views. He is very good at this and has made himself rich by doing so.

His mouth is a big part of why he is so famous.

Dirty Dingus McGee

mdwexford wrote: »

Whether you find him obnoxious or not he certainly is not boring.

He talks so much trash to sell pay per views. He is very good at this and has made himself rich by doing so.

His mouth is a big part of why he is so famous.

I find him boring.

I find trash talk in general boring, it's tedious having to listen to any of it.

kilns

You dont need to be an arsehole to sell fights, just look at Joshua and Klitzkou, they sell out fights easy without being like that.
But without this persona Conor has created he would just be another run of the mill fighter on UFC roster.  He is not a really exciting fighter, he no ground game compared to others and not even the best pound for pound in his sport.
So its like he needs this aresehold persona cause scratch under the surface, he doesnt have much else

walshb

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why does the chap not speak in his native Dublin accent instead of sounding like someone with an acquired brain injury?

He does speak in his Dublin accent. You can catch it when he is relaxed and interacting with fellow dubs.

The accentuated accent. I never understood this. Even for the sake of clarity. It's strange. I don't think he needs to force it near as much as he does.

Blud

mdwexford wrote: »

Whether you find him obnoxious or not he certainly is not boring.

He talks so much trash to sell pay per views. He is very good at this and has made himself rich by doing so.

His mouth is a big part of why he is so famous.

Whether someone is boring or not is completely subjective, so neither you nor the other poster can be correct on this.

You mention his trash-talk as an example of him not being boring, whereas I find that to be the most boring thing about him. It's so transparent that it is dull, the only people I can imagine being interested in that stuff are the type of people who read celebrity gossip. It's just uninteresting.

I don't find McGregor boring, but primarily because of his career trajectory and what he has done in the octagon. Sports reasons really, he's definitely not boring in the ring.

walshb

Please, tell me that folks here aren't using the contrived acted OTT trash talking as something that should be interesting about Conor? Are we that desperate?

py2006

A lot has to do with his 'northside' characture/stereotype. Outside of Ireland the persona and mouth is funny.

Within Ireland it's a source of annoyance. Is he gonna mug me or start a fight. I'm always wary of people like that. Generally dismissed as wretched little skangers.

Possibly unfair as I believe he is playing a game too and fair play to his success

anon19008

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why does the chap not speak in his native Dublin accent instead of sounding like someone with an acquired brain injury?

I think it has more to do with engaging with an American audience. You see a lot of the Irish WWE wrestlers do it too. After fights, when he's interviewed by Joe Rogan, the accent comes out strong.

road_high

walshb wrote: »

Please, tell me that folks here aren't using the contrived acted OTT trash talking as something that should be interesting about Conor? Are we that desperate?

It must be because I don't see much else going on.

weldoninhio

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Which is absolutely fine.

My argument is thus: Why does it take an American (admittedly Emmy award winning) sportscaster to crack that persona? Why does the Irish Media hate Conor, as per the thread title? Why could an Irish mainstream journalist not do this, and push and celebrate the actual Conor, and show that it's not the suits or bling watches that make him successful, but rather his work ethic and his desire to be successful that makes him successful.

But that might take some work, and the lazy, easy option suits them.

Did RTE not make a 6 part series on him??

weldoninhio

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why does the chap not speak in his native Dublin accent instead of sounding like someone with an acquired brain injury?

That's more down to the US audience understanding him I think.

Dantian

weldoninhio wrote: »

What about when he lost to Joe Duffy or Artemji Sitenkov?? Was he a loser then?? They aren't huge names!!

I love how weirdly selective you are being in trying to find a way for me to be dissing McGregor. Everything I've said has been in support of him.

I respect his business savvy more than his fighting, because he's generated a persona that makes him entertaining to watch and worth paying for regardless if he wins or loses.

So regardless if he wins or loses the fight from a sports perspective he, as a person wins because he's made his money, increased his public status, put himself back in the papers and secured a reputation for himself beyond the ring. He's an entertainer more than a sportsman these days, and this isn't a bad thing. Its great to see the Irishman doing the right thing and winning at that game rather than being the poor sucker with the quick hands who gets his **** kicked in while somone else makes money from him.

Birdie Num Num

cletus wrote: »

George Foreman got rich playing football...George Foreman the professional boxer.

I am officially done with this thread

This thread is full of inaccuracies. He became rich from playing the ukulele not football and then made a packet selling his lean mean fat grilling machine. His name was Formby not Foreman.

Sofiztikated

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why does the chap not speak in his native Dublin accent instead of sounding like someone with an acquired brain injury?

The latest Beats by Dre advert has a bunch of young Dublin lads talking in their natural accent.

It's had to be subtitled, for the wider world.

Gravelly

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

This thread is full of inaccuracies. He became rich from playing the ukulele not football and then made a packet selling his lean mean fat grilling machine. His name was Formby not Foreman.

Actually I have to correct you there, George Formby was a different lad altogether. George Foreman became rich by inventing the job of building site supervisor, and invented a grill because he spent so much time in the canteen complaining about the useless apprentices.