4Chan with another brilliant trolling social commentary

TheCatSpangler

Grayson wrote: »

Get over yourself. You sound hysterical. what you posted is just stupid. And no, I don't need to justify that comment, it's perfectly evident.
BTW, those guys in charlotsville were Nazi's and Neo Nazi's.

well that's me told. Its just a song bro. Do you even song?

Stop being so hysterical and posting stupid things. You can tell they're stupid by how I just said they were stupid just then. What things did you post that were stupid? The stupid things. Don't be so hypocritical. How are you being hypocritical? By like, all the hyposcrisy, maybe? Isn't that obvious to you? Its obvious to me, and everyone. Everyone but you. Whoopah! So evident.

That makes us 1-1 I'm guessing? Let the battle of the debating geniuses resume!

Carlos Orange

Grayson wrote: »

Now it's everywhere and if I protested against anything right wing I'd be a "Antifa".

I don't think I have heard it used against protesters unless they are violent or are covering their face. Usually both.

BMMachine

TheCatSpangler wrote: »

well that's me told. Its just a song bro. Do you even song?

Stop being so hysterical and posting stupid things. You can tell they're stupid by how I just said they were stupid just then. What things did you post that were stupid? The stupid things. Don't be so hypocritical. How are you being hypocritical? By like, all the hyposcrisy, maybe? Isn't that obvious to you? Its obvious to me, and everyone. Everyone but you. Whoopah! So evident.

That makes us 1-1 I'm guessing? Let the battle of the debating geniuses resume!

see what I said about the need to troll. Its part of the identity "bro"

TheCatSpangler

BMMachine wrote: »

see what I said about the need to troll. Its part of the identity "bro"

Look, this isn't your first day on the internet. You know as well as I do that calling someone a troll is the trolliest thing someone can do. "" ing something they said is the second most. So put down the stones there pal, or you're going to be picking that glass out of your hair for the rest of the night.

BMMachine

TheCatSpangler wrote: »

Look, this isn't your first day on the internet. You know as well as I do that calling someone a troll is the trolliest thing someone can do. "" ing something they said is the second most. So put down the stones there pal, or you're going to be picking that glass out of your hair for the rest of the night.

good old "I know you are but what am I", a classic.
Fact remains though, that there is a direct correlation with alternative/edgy views on current western social events such as neo-nazi's and Trump and peoples want to troll. You are right, I've been online since about 1995 and over the past 8/9 years I've seen a marked increase in cultures of trolling and identity politics. People taking the edgiest view in order to define themselves. People constantly labelling everything so they can pretend to understand it (Victorian ideas of 'labelled and known'). And of course people constantly agitating on things like feminism, racism, immigration etc.

This site and this forum in particular are small amounts of evidence in a much bigger problem. Trolling has changed a lot over the years and now its tied far more directly into politics and society rather than a niche of online dribblers.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

BMMachine wrote: »

good old "I know you are but what am I", a classic.
Fact remains though, that there is a direct correlation with alternative/edgy views on current western social events such as neo-nazi's and Trump and peoples want to troll. You are right, I've been online since about 1995 and over the past 8/9 years I've seen a marked increase in cultures of trolling and identity politics. People taking the edgiest view in order to define themselves. People constantly labelling everything so they can pretend to understand it (Victorian ideas of 'labelled and known'). And of course people constantly agitating on things like feminism, racism, immigration etc.

This site and this forum in particular are small amounts of evidence in a much bigger problem. Trolling has changed a lot over the years and now its tied far more directly into politics and society rather than a niche of online dribblers.

Well, there is a full blown culture war taking place now. And about 95% of it has been coming from one side i.e. radical elements within the schools, colleges, academia, and media.
And I don't see this ending, ever. They're NEVER satisfied, no matter how much appeasement they receive.

Case in point: It was reported today the Gone With The Wind is the latest victim of political correctness: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/aug/29/theatre-in-memphis-pulls-racially-insensitive-gone-with-the-wind

Just what are these people trying to achieve, exactly?

TheCatSpangler

BMMachine wrote: »

good old "I know you are but what am I", a classic.
Fact remains though, that there is a direct correlation with alternative/edgy views on current western social events such as neo-nazi's and Trump and peoples want to troll. You are right, I've been online since about 1995 and over the past 8/9 years I've seen a marked increase in cultures of trolling and identity politics. People taking the edgiest view in order to define themselves. People constantly labelling everything so they can pretend to understand it (Victorian ideas of 'labelled and known'). And of course people constantly agitating on things like feminism, racism, immigration etc.

This site and this forum in particular are small amounts of evidence in a much bigger problem. Trolling has changed a lot over the years and now its tied far more directly into politics and society rather than a niche of online dribblers.

I agree with everything you just said here. Reasonably well articulated, too.

I'm not trying to troll anyone though. I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin, sow disruption, or saying anything I don't believe to be true. I just see the absurdity of the situation and the people and attitudes and ideologies involved. That's all. And I'm not adverse to reflecting posts I feel are lacking self awareness. I'm a humanist, maybe the last humanist, Kevin.

BMMachine

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

95%

why not 94%? or 90%?

how about - 50%?
What about 20%?
oh wait I know, 96%

Where is this culture war taking place? Is it a digital culture war or a culture war on the streets? Evidence for both I suppose. Is there a problem with whats happening in reality bleeding over and becoming distorted online and visa-versa? I'd say there is a 95% chance that there is, I did the maths.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Even the Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin , who turned a blind eye when Antifa were attacking innocent people, is doing a quiet 180 degree turn now that Antifa have started attacking media and bystanders:

BERKELEY (CBS SF) — Mayor of Berkeley Jesse Arreguin on Monday said it is time to confront the violent extremism on the left by treating black-clad Antifa protesters as a gang.

A large number of masked Antifa activists were seen jumping the barriers at a largely peaceful demonstration in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Civic Center Park on Sunday.

Some began attacking Trump supporters at the rally.

“I think we should classify them as a gang,” said Arreguin. “They come dressed in uniforms. They have weapons, almost like a militia and I think we need to think about that in terms of our law enforcement approach.”

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/

Better late than never, I suppose. I'm just astonished that anyone (including the media) could possibly have considered Antifa as the 'good guys' for a short period of time. Reality wasn't long setting in...

wakka12

I dont advocate violence of any kind. Antifa are absolute retards but at the same time it wouldnt keep me up at night knowing anyone who subscribes to nazi ideology gets seven shades of **** knocked out of them

BMMachine

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

'good guys'

why is there so much focus on antifa? Its like football fans who chant racist slurs or that kinda thing and then going "all the fans from that club are racists!"
Antifa seem pretty small. I had no idea they existed up until recently and nor do I care much about their existence or what they are doing.

What I do care about though is the surge in hard right ideals akin to those of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy & Spain etc. I think we all care far more about that kind of inhuman scum rearing its head again than 'anitfa' or internet memes like 'punch a nazi'. Taking the edgiest angle to approach these troubling subjects is just a big distraction that people shouldn't concern themselves with.

wakka12

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'd be more than a bit annoyed if I was a battered woman who was then portrayed as being a nazi and in some way deserving of the battering, to be honest.

More than likely just an actress. but yeh

wakka12

BMMachine wrote: »

why is there so much focus on antifa? Its like football fans who chant racist slurs or that kinda thing and then going "all the fans from that club are racists!"
Antifa seem pretty small. I had no idea they existed up until recently and nor do I care much about their existence or what they are doing.

What I do care about though is the surge in hard right ideals akin to those of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy & Spain etc. I think we all care far more about that kind of inhuman scum rearing its head again than 'anitfa' or internet memes like 'punch a nazi'. Taking the edgiest angle to approach these troubling subjects is just a big distraction that people shouldn't concern themselves with.

White supremacy groups are laughably small in numbers throughout europe and north america. Any white nationalist rallys are massively overwhelmed by anti fascist groups time and time again. its complete scare mongering to say theres a huge spike in right wing extremism . Racism still is socially unacceptable across the vast majority of western society, even more so any kind of 'dangerous' forms of racism..as in physical harm

BMMachine

wakka12 wrote: »

White supremacy groups are laughably small in numbers throughout europe and north america. Any white nationalist rallys are massively overwhelmed by anti fascist groups time and time again. its complete scare mongering to say theres a huge spike in right wing extremism . Racism still is socially unacceptable across the vast majority of western society, even more so any kind of 'dangerous' forms of racism..as in physical harm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356
While I agree that the more radical far right elements aren't growing as much as you would be led to believe, what worries me more is the growing attitudes that lean towards their line of thinking which certainly is on the rise (see Brexit and Trump - both won with big elements of racism at play). This empowers those groups and they are growing, albeit not at that great a speed.

As I said on this thread before, there is an overwhelming surge in this spiteful, troll-y culture which is especially prevalent on the internet. People like Katie Hopkins and Milo C*ntbagtrollopolis would have been laughed off the stage 10 - 12 years ago but are now almost constantly in the media and have a very strong following. Doing their work for them by "exposing" small groups like antifa and deflecting everything away from the problems of this nasty, isolationist, bigoted culture isn't a good thing. But as I also said, people want to be edgy as their identity needs them to be so they'll be all "ooooohhhh man feminism is a lie and antifa are awful and I hate SJW's" and blablabla not realising they have exactly the same attitude as the people they hate just focused in a different way

Dyr

BMMachine wrote: »

People like Katie Hopkins and Milo C*ntbagtrollopolis would have been laughed off the stage 10 - 12 years ago but are now almost constantly in the media and have a very strong following.

The reason Milo wotsits isn't being laughed off the stage is because the identity politics idiots he's lampooning are so ridiculous that he just can't lose.

identity politics was always meant to polarize people and drive them towards an extreme, the f***king idiots in the US who saw it as a valid tactic have now seen it blow up in their face with trumps election

Although the hard core marxist gob****e will see that as the tactic working.

The Legend Of Kira

BMMachine wrote: »

wakka12 wrote: »

White supremacy groups are laughably small in numbers throughout europe and north america. Any white nationalist rallys are massively overwhelmed by anti fascist groups time and time again. its complete scare mongering to say theres a huge spike in right wing extremism . Racism still is socially unacceptable across the vast majority of western society, even more so any kind of 'dangerous' forms of racism..as in physical harm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356
While I agree that the more radical far right elements aren't growing as much as you would be led to believe, what worries me more is the growing attitudes that lean towards their line of thinking which certainly is on the rise (see Brexit and Trump - both won with big elements of racism at play). This empowers those groups and they are growing, albeit not at that great a speed.

As I said on this thread before, there is an overwhelming surge in this spiteful, troll-y culture which is especially prevalent on the internet. People like Katie Hopkins and Milo C*ntbagtrollopolis would have been laughed off the stage 10 - 12 years ago but are now almost constantly in the media and have a very strong following. Doing their work for them by "exposing" small groups like antifa and deflecting everything away from the problems of this nasty, isolationist, bigoted culture isn't a good thing. But as I also said, people want to be edgy as their identity needs them to be so they'll be all "ooooohhhh man feminism is a lie and antifa are awful and I hate SJW's" and blablabla not realising they have exact

BMMachine wrote: »

wakka12 wrote: »

White supremacy groups are laughably small in numbers throughout europe and north america. Any white nationalist rallys are massively overwhelmed by anti fascist groups time and time again. its complete scare mongering to say theres a huge spike in right wing extremism . Racism still is socially unacceptable across the vast majority of western society, even more so any kind of 'dangerous' forms of racism..as in physical harm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356
While I agree that the more radical far right elements aren't growing as much as you would be led to believe, what worries me more is the growing attitudes that lean towards their line of thinking which certainly is on the rise (see Brexit and Trump - both won with big elements of racism at play). This empowers those groups and they are growing, albeit not at that great a speed.

As I said on this thread before, there is an overwhelming surge in this spiteful, troll-y culture which is especially prevalent on the internet. People like Katie Hopkins and Milo C*ntbagtrollopolis would have been laughed off the stage 10 - 12 years ago but are now almost constantly in the media and have a very strong following. Doing their work for them by "exposing" small groups like antifa and deflecting everything away from the problems of this nasty, isolationist, bigoted culture isn't a good thing. But as I also said, people want to be edgy as their identity needs them to be so they'll be all "ooooohhhh man feminism is a lie and antifa are awful and I hate SJW's" and blablabla not realising they have exactly the same attitude as the people they hate just focused in a different way

"" antifa are awful ""

• When Antifa target right wing people in general, pick on people in wheelchairs & target fathers & young sons attending a peaceful rally they score own goals of their own.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/902848844035174400

https://twitter.com/huitz_warrior/status/901928497622409216

"" People like Katie Hopkins and Milo C*ntbagtrollopolis would have been laughed off the stage 10 - 12 years ago but are now almost constantly in the media ""

People need to sit back & ask why is this the case ? If Milos speaking engagements weren,t disrupted with violent riots in the streets + if Katie Hopkins media appearances weren,t the subject of calls for " no platform " how much publicity would they get if they were ignored instead of acknowledged ? Reverse psychology. 

  Think back to last winter when Katie Hopkins was invited to appear on the late late show certain left parties started a social media campaign to try pressure the late late show to cancel & " no platform " Katie Hopkins , guess what the end result was ? higher ratings for the late late show that night following all the publicity certain left parties gave Katie Hopkins whereas if they hadn,t of thrown such a hissy fit she prob wouldn,t of getting extra publicity with higher ratings for the late late show, think about it like this " Controversy Creates Interest " .

https://www.goss.ie/tv/ratings-katie-hopkins-late-late-appearance-revealed-88576

Arcade_Tryer

tigger123 wrote: »

I abhor all types of violence, except punching Nazis.

I'm not racist but...

RDM_83 again

BMMachine wrote: »

can you define that or is it just a catchy buzzword? See "alt-right" has almost clear definitions in regards to what they stand for and who their figureheads are (Katie Hopkins, that Milo guy etc). But there seems to be this very lazy, unintelligent labelling of groups like antifa or whatnot as "alt-left". To me it shows a complete lack of education and such a narrow perspective on these issues and is almost used as a convenient way of dismissing them. I feel the same way about the term "alt-right" in a lot of ways but then you have very clear champions of that cause that use the term....

You might be correct that alt-right does have a tighter and more extreme meaning than many people realize, in fact AFAIK that was the point of the term to some extent, to detoxify actually white supremacists/race realists/white separatists (delete as appropriate).
However you then go on to mention two people who aren't part of the narrower definition of alt-right so I am not sure if you should be talking about lazy and unintelligent labeling.
It doesn't matter if you like them or think they are satan incarnate, neither Katie Hopkins or Milo fit the original alt-right thing at all- they might fit the misrepresentation of alt-right but if this case your arguing against exactly that type of thinking

BMMachine

I would classify Hopkins and Milo as alt-right. Different shades of it, but they are in there no matter how much they deny it. I see them as perfectly fine non-political figureheads and spokespeople for that branch of thinking

RDM_83 again

BMMachine wrote: »

I would classify Hopkins and Milo as alt-right. Different shades of it, but they are in there no matter how much they deny it. I see them as perfectly fine non-political figureheads and spokespeople for that branch of thinking

And here lies the problem those individuals might be disagreeable but they wouldn't fit with the original alt-right seriously look at a few articles about the "early" movement.
People are skeptical of the whole violently resisting a Nazi ideas precisely because of this, they see how the definition just expands to include anyone disliked by the hard left.

Venom

RDM_83 again wrote: »

And here lies the problem those individuals might be disagreeable but they wouldn't fit with the original alt-right seriously look at a few articles about the "early" movement.
People are skeptical of the whole violently resisting a Nazi ideas precisely because of this, they see how the definition just expands to include anyone disliked by the hard left.

This is the problem with casually calling anyone who disagrees with your opinions sexist, racist, homophobic or nazi.

Thanks to the far left crying nazi so often and so freely, that same word that has rightly been used to describe the scumbags carrying swastika flags a few weeks ago was also used against the likes of Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro!

BMMachine

The "original" alt-right and the "current" alt-right. You'll have to excuse my ignorance as to the difference. The Tea Party in America would be original alt-right yeah? in modern terms. What about Britain? Is it the BNP? Probably not as they were already quite overtly bigoted and that seems to be the one thing that the term alt-right wants to shy away from like a duck avoiding water. Poor duck though, gonna have to get its arse wet at some point.

hatrickpatrick

The term alt-right is essentially used by, and used for, two similar ideologies of entirely separate origin. The first is the classic, traditional white nationalist movement, which has its roots in plain old fashioned racism (and is largely championed by older folks and their descendants), while the second is an entirely reactionary movement which has been born as a counterpoint to the extreme SJW movement. The problem is that these two movements have merged and are feeding off eachother - hence the election of Trump and other recent developments. There's very little we can do about old-school racism except to continue opposing it, but we can 100% stop fuelling the growth of the reactionary movement among young people if we try to attack and oppose the current culture, particularly in the mainstream media and in colleges, of attacking young white males simple because they are white and male, telling them they should be ashamed of who they are, that they should automatically be at the bottom of every single pecking order from who gets to speak to who gets accepted into groups, colleges, companies etc, just because of the identity they were born into.

Hell, we had a thread here on Boards just a month or two ago which outlined how prevalent the whole "men are the root of all evil and the cause of literally every problem society has, and every man should feel guilt on behalf of his gender" trope has become in mainstream "polite" society - this has to stop, and if it doesn't, the alt-right will continue to grow. It's that simple. Action, reaction. This applies to human psychology every bit as much as it applies to physics.

BMMachine

so Sarah Palin and Nigel Farage would be alt-right in political terms? And lets say, Nick Griffin would have merged into the alt-right? I am unaware who the leader of the BNP is now due to my lack of caring

Spider Web

I don't know why there's this "alt" stuff. Rightwing is rightwing.

BMMachine

Spider Web wrote: »

I don't know why there's this "alt" stuff. Rightwing is rightwing.

I personally see the "alt-right" label as the "I'm not racist but..." tag. Nothing wrong with conservatism. I would consider myself conservative on a good few issues, crime being one of them. But this edgy alt-right nonsense is mostly just innately nasty people finding an excuse to be innately nasty without having to justify it as such. Of course they will tell you they are fighting the good fight against the evil SJW Snowflake Starbucks Coffee Drinkers who are clearly the biggest problem in western society, I mean its so obvious, but in my experience when you break them down its just anger with a lack of perspective and an inability to ignore things that annoy them - so they go and vote for orange jackasses or joke politicians like Nigel Farage claiming "its just common sense" or whatever the f**k.

And christ lets not open the bag on gender issues. Its not them trolling, its intelligent common sense.

20Cent

Alot of the stories and videos about antifa are fake and made by trolls stirring racial hatred.