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    #4682
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    CosmicFool wrote: »
    First case of Rubella in over a decade in Cork.
    Measles cases have ramped up recently and mumps came back in 2018 so it was only a matter of time.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/0225/1117520-rubella-cork/


    And , this can't be stressed enough Andrew Wakefield's campaign against the MMR vaccine was so that another vaccine could be sold instead which he could profit from. He was not anti-vax.


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    #4683
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Link?

    O'Brien did say it. I remember listening to it.

    And he's right.


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    #4684
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    Well he did apologise afterwards for use of his words . BTW , the parents of REGRET are labeled as " Antivaxxers" when in fact , all their children have been given the HPV vaccine . Please explain the logic of this labeling . All the parents have ever wanted was examination and treatment for their children.

    The founders of Regret are rabid antivaxxers. Catherine Weitbrecht founded it. None of her kids have been vaccinated and she brags about it. And they have direct links to Sanevax.

    And let's not forget the amount of money her homeopath husband made out of treating girls who's parents were conned by regret. Weitbrech, Cannon and all the organisers of Regret are dangerous frauds.

    The parents have been conned by them. That's the difference.


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    #4685
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    mountai wrote: »
    Tell that to those that contracted Narcolepsy after swine flu vaccine .

    They have been treated very well by doctors!


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    #4686
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    Orion wrote: »
    The founders of Regret are rabid antivaxxers. Catherine Weitbrecht founded it. None of her kids have been vaccinated and she brags about it. And they have direct links to Sanevax.

    And let's not forget the amount of money her homeopath husband made out of treating girls who's parents were conned by regret. Weitbrech, Cannon and all the organisers of Regret are dangerous frauds.

    The parents have been conned by them. That's the difference.

    Weitbrecht was expelled from the group within six months . He made nothing . All the children of present members have been vaccinated . Explain why they are "Antivaxxers" .


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    #4687
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    VicMackey1 wrote: »
    They have been treated very well by doctors!

    Thats why the HSE battled tooth and nail in the High Court recently . They spent in excess of 3 million Euros before agreeing a settlement figure costing millions more .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/narcolepsy-case-state-faces-4m-bill-after-vaccine-settlement-1.4088687


    If sufferers were treated fairly there wouldnt be need for court cases . BTW there are 100 more cases in the pipeline


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    #4688
    Ipso
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    Orion wrote: »
    The founders of Regret are rabid antivaxxers. Catherine Weitbrecht founded it. None of her kids have been vaccinated and she brags about it. And they have direct links to Sanevax.

    And let's not forget the amount of money her homeopath husband made out of treating girls who's parents were conned by regret. Weitbrech, Cannon and all the organisers of Regret are dangerous frauds.

    The parents have been conned by them. That's the difference.

    A pattern emerges.


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    #4689
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    mountai wrote: »
    Thats why the HSE battled tooth and nail in the High Court recently . They spent in excess of 3 million Euros before agreeing a settlement figure costing millions more .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/narcolepsy-case-state-faces-4m-bill-after-vaccine-settlement-1.4088687


    If sufferers were treated fairly there wouldnt be need for court cases . BTW there are 100 more cases in the pipeline

    They were treated fairly by doctors and consultants. I didnt say they were treated fairly by the HSE


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    #4690
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    Well I see the "Stormtroopers " are out in force tonight . One Question .

    Why are members of REGRET labelled "Antivaxx" , when all of their children HAVE BEEN VACCINATED ? .


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    #4691
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    VicMackey1 wrote: »
    They were treated fairly by doctors and consultants. I didnt say they were treated fairly by the HSE

    Thats why the HSE lined them up as witnesses for the State . You know nothing about treatment protocol , just ask her Parents .


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    #4692
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    mountai wrote: »
    Well I see the "Stormtroopers " are out in force tonight . One Question .

    Why are members of REGRET labelled "Antivaxx" , when all of their children HAVE BEEN VACCINATED ? .

    Mu guess is that they were people that were not bothered either way by vaccines before the hpv vaccine and afterwards read some antivax shlte and were gullible enough to believe it.


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    #4693
    Dohnjoe
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    mountai wrote: »
    Well I see the "Stormtroopers " are out in force tonight . One Question .

    Who or what are you talking about?


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    #4694
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    mountai wrote: »
    Well I see the "Stormtroopers " are out in force tonight . One Question .

    Why are members of REGRET labelled "Antivaxx" , when all of their children HAVE BEEN VACCINATED ? .

    Because they're trying to dissuade other people from doing so. And I do not believe that they have vaccinated their children.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4695
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    mountai wrote: »
    Thats why the HSE lined them up as witnesses for the State . You know nothing about treatment protocol , just ask her Parents .

    Who did they line up as witnesses?


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    #4696
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Because they're trying to dissuade other people from doing so. And I do not believe that they have vaccinated their children.

    So Jonathen Irwin is a liar then??.


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    #4697
    ancapailldorcha
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    mountai wrote: »
    So Jonathen Irwin is a liar then??.

    Maybe. I tend to put very little stock in the word of anti-vaxxers.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4698
    Igotadose
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Because they're trying to dissuade other people from doing so. And I do not believe that they have vaccinated their children.

    Their research link has the usual bunch of howlers on it - Sanevax (Norma Erickson), Tomjleovic the oft-retracted 'researcher,' etc.

    I doubt they've had their children vaccinated with HPV. They're anti-HPV.


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    #4699
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Maybe. I tend to put very little stock in the word of anti-vaxxers.

    You are not fit to lace his shoes . When you do as much good for society as this man has let us know .


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    #4700
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,427 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    mountai wrote: »
    You are not fit to lace his shoes . When you do as much good for society as this man has let us know .

    does that mean that nothing he says can be questioned and he is beyond reproach?


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    #4701
    mountai
    Registered Users Posts: 953 ✭✭✭mountai


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    does that mean that nothing he says can be questioned and he is beyond reproach?

    Question all you like, but his track record speaks for his honesty and integrity .


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    #4702
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    mountai wrote: »
    Thats why the HSE lined them up as witnesses for the State . You know nothing about treatment protocol , just ask her Parents .

    I would be very interested to hear who they lined up as witnesses. How many doctors are we talking about? Do you actually have any clue what you are talking about?


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    #4703
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,974 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ironically if there are ever going to be widespread laws enforcing vaccination it's going to because of anti-vaxxers and their enablers.


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    #4704
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mountai wrote: »
    Well I see the "Stormtroopers " are out in force tonight . One Question .

    Why are members of REGRET labelled "Antivaxx" , when all of their children HAVE BEEN VACCINATED ? .

    Never a good sign that a person actually has a valid argument when they godwin


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    #4705
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    mountai wrote: »
    You are not fit to lace his shoes . When you do as much good for society as this man has let us know .

    The weird hero worship thing you're doing here reeks of bad faith to be honest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4706
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    mountai wrote: »
    You are not fit to lace his shoes . When you do as much good for society as this man has let us know .
    Has he never been wrong then?


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    #4707
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭paul71


    mountai wrote: »
    Question all you like, but his track record speaks for his honesty and integrity .

    Tripe


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    #4708
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    Weitbrecht was expelled from the group within six months . He made nothing . All the children of present members have been vaccinated . Explain why they are "Antivaxxers" .


    That's absolute crap. He made thousands out of families in regret.

    Now go read my post again about the difference between the parents and Weitbrecht/Cannon/etc.


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    #4709
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    So Jonathen Irwin is a liar then??.

    Either that or a complete idiot. Or both.


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    #4710
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Ipso wrote: »
    A pattern emerges.

    Indeed.

    And they also fundraised a lot of money that has never been accounted for too.


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    #4711
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,822 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    mountai wrote: »
    Question all you like, but his track record speaks for his honesty and integrity .

    The track record of vaccines is that millions of deaths and disabilities have been prevented. But you don't want that track record to speak for itself.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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