Anti-vaxxers

Hotblack Desiato

biko wrote: »

They have been tested on animals and in some cases humans.

Are you implying that vaccines will be released to the public without having been extensively tested on humans..?

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

It's not clear if this guy is anti-vaxer in general or just this covid stuff.
I'd say he probably ok with old school vaccines but not this one.

From the article he thought Moderna "was not safe for people and could harm them and change their DNA" so he left the vials in room temp to deactivate the vaccine.

The AstraZeneca shot is a "viral vector vaccine", where a specially engineered virus that normally causes chimpanzees to get the common cold delivers genetic instructions to human cells to make the spike protein jutting out from the new coronavirus's surface.

The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines use a new technology which packs messenger RNA (mRNA) inside tiny fat droplets to instruct cells to make the spike protein.

Tbh, we don't know enough of these vaccines to say they are the best, or even if they are perfectly safe.
They have been tested on animals and in some cases humans.
They are fairly cheap and they are first.
But as time progresses there will be others, maybe better, maybe safer.


I'm sure that pharmacist would have been fine with the Chinese CoronaVac vaccine which is pretty much just dead corona virus injected.
It's close to traditional vaccines.

they have all been tested on humans.

Ash.J.Williams

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ironically Gemma and her Gemmaroids make a big show of being into the old time religion. They can believe in certain things that they haven't seen

Gemma is gone
The cop she videoed last year has died

biko

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Are you implying that vaccines will be released to the public without having been extensively tested on humans..?

Sorry, yes the relevant vaccines have been tested on humans. I updated my post.

Currently, two vaccines are authorised:
​​​​Pfizer-BioNTech
Moderna

3 are in Phase 3:
AstraZeneca
Janssen
Novavax

paul71

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Gemma is gone
The cop she videoed last year has died

What happened?

L.Jenkins

paul71 wrote: »

What happened?

A garda she personally filmed and identified last year, committed suicide.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

I would personally like to see her f'ed into oblivion in what legal means possible.

paul71

L.Jenkins wrote: »

A garda she personally filmed and identified last year, committed suicide.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

I would personally like to see her f'ed into oblivion in what legal means possible.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam

Seth Brundle

Sad...

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1358748992927113218

Big Gerry

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Sad...

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1358748992927113218

The Taxi driver sounds more street wise than his son.


There is noway anyone can know how "safe" the vaccine is until its been around for a number of years then the full side effect profile will start to become known.


I would never even think of taking a new vaccine or any medical product until its been on the market for at least a year.

rn

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but one local gaa club is certainly backing science over social media "facts" from the anti vax side

https://twitter.com/ClannGAA/status/1359566227933454337?s=19

stefanovich

rn wrote: »

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but one local gaa club is certainly backing science over social media "facts" from the anti vax side

https://twitter.com/ClannGAA/status/1359566227933454337?s=19

So exposing yourself to germs is now equivalent to being injected with an mRNA vaccine? Stupid comparison.

rn

Isn't that the basis for many jokes... But what I like about it is that it encourages the people in the community to take the vaccine.

stefanovich

rn wrote: »

Isn't that the basis for many jokes... But what I like about it is that it encourages the people in the community to take the vaccine.

It just makes it not funny.

PhoneMain

Second dose Moderna vaccine due today, looking forward to it and another small step towards normality.

stefanovich

PhoneMain wrote: »

Second dose Moderna vaccine due today, looking forward to it and another small step towards normality.

No normality for you as no proof that they stop you transmitting it. You still need to social distance and wear a mask etc. Peace of mind for you though I suppose.

PhoneMain

stefanovich wrote: »

No normality for you as no proof that they stop you transmitting it. You still need to social distance and wear a mask etc. Peace of mind for you though I suppose.

I mean for society as a whole, not myself. Each vaccination is a step closer to the end of this. I know that I will still need to do all the other measures.

stefanovich

PhoneMain wrote: »

I mean for society as a whole, not myself. Each vaccination is a step closer to the end of this. I know that I will still need to do all the other measures.

I worry that once people get vaccinated they’ll stop caring.

CramCycle

stefanovich wrote: »

I worry that once people get vaccinated they’ll stop caring.

Undoubtedly there will be a tipping point when enough people are vaccinated that people just don't care anymore. Some will stop straight away but eventually the amount of those acting as if we are all back to normal will be too much for the rest and we will all start acting that way. With a bit of luck that will hold out until enough people are vaccinated although I wouldn't count on it.

stefanovich

CramCycle wrote: »

Undoubtedly there will be a tipping point when enough people are vaccinated that people just don't care anymore. Some will stop straight away but eventually the amount of those acting as if we are all back to normal will be too much for the rest and we will all start acting that way. With a bit of luck that will hold out until enough people are vaccinated although I wouldn't count on it.

Not yet proven that children can have the vaccine.

SouthWesterly

stefanovich wrote: »

Not yet proven that children can have the vaccine.

Saw a headline somewhere that trials are starting in kids

CramCycle

stefanovich wrote: »

Not yet proven that children can have the vaccine.

Trials are underway, no reason at this point to suspect that some of them will not be successful. This said, considering that with rare exception, kids (and there are exceptions) don't seem to have as bad a time of it as adults, if we get good enough coverage among the adult population (ie everyone over 18 gets vaccinated), the risk will be reduced for all populations. Although with the newer variants, this may mean they are an incubator for awhile. Until recently the young seemed to be weak spreaders in the community, although this may change with the new variants showing higher concentrations of viral particles (you can see this with Ct values in PCR getting lower over the last month or two here, indicating a far higher viral load in cases).

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Saw a headline somewhere that trials are starting in kids

I seen the same, hopefully it goes well.

Igotadose

Nice to see someone can learn. A rare thing. After being anti-vax and popular in that cesspool, this woman has turned away from them, largely based on the hate they eventually dumped on her when she started questioning their dogma.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/anti-vax-influencer-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy/

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-56922517

Dr Stephen Karanja, chairman of the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, advocated steam inhalation and hydroxychloroquine tablets.

He clashed with the Catholic church over the safety of the Covid jabs.

No prizes for guessing how he died.


And it wasn't just religious beliefs

n 2014, his association opposed the government's rollout of a tetanus vaccine targeting women, claiming it was a sterilisation campaign,

Capt'n Midnight

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-56922517

No prizes for guessing how he died.


And it wasn't just religious beliefs

Going to have a good few Darwin award candidates from covid.

bb1234567

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-56922517

No prizes for guessing how he died.


And it wasn't just religious beliefs

I don't know about that guy in particular(I know it says he was doctor but idk, question marks over that one), but it's important to have some appreciation for the fact a lot of people in the developing world have never had a vaccine, and were never educated properly about what they do. Pakistani Health authorities on BBC were voicing frustration the other day about the issues of vaccine rollouts in their country, as , according to him, most Pakistanis didn't know what a vaccine was or what it was supposed to do, and obviously were suspicious of it for that reason. So, any anti vax movements among people in developing world may be just as harmful, but at least it's easier to see where they're coming from compared to movements in the West.

job seeker

I work with someone who claims that the US government "made" Covid19.. It's the funniest thing ever..

YFlyer

stefanovich wrote: »

I worry that once people get vaccinated they’ll stop caring.

Seeing people don't understand the concept of vaccine.

VinLieger

job seeker wrote: »

I work with someone who claims that the US government "made" Covid19.. It's the funniest thing ever..

My wife works with someone similar, an announcement went out last week he was talking time off cus his uncle had died from covid, which means he not believing in covid had to tell his bosses that his uncle died of covid, the cognitive dissonance these people are capable of is insane.

Capt'n Midnight

bb1234567 wrote: »

I don't know about that guy in particular(I know it says he was doctor but idk, question marks over that one), but it's important to have some appreciation for the fact a lot of people in the developing world have never had a vaccine, and were never educated properly about what they do.

This was in Kenya. Where they had 99% BCG vaccination rates in 2016. And that includes the desert tribes and anti-vaxxers.

Pakistani Health authorities on BBC were voicing frustration the other day about the issues of vaccine rollouts in their country, as , according to him, most Pakistanis didn't know what a vaccine was or what it was supposed to do, and obviously were suspicious of it for that reason. So, any anti vax movements among people in developing world may be just as harmful, but at least it's easier to see where they're coming from compared to movements in the West.

If it wasn't for anti-vaxxers Polio would be as extinct as Smallpox. The western movements are funding resistance in poor countries or being used as examples. There's a lot of anti-government in the mix where local religious / militia want to keep their power regardless of the side effects.

But it has to be remembered that civil wars were put on hold in areas where the Smallpox vaccine was rolled out.

fryup

Anti-vaxxers are in the same camp as the anti 5g crowd, they're mostly made up of new age hippies who've got nothing better to do with their time then delve into conspiracy theories to indulge their whacky notions of the world

best avoided & ignored