Anti-vaxxers

Capt'n Midnight

TotalReality wrote: »

Have I any rights as an unmarried father,separated from their mother to get my kids vaccinated properly?
I pay maintenance and have access to my kids every weekend.

Find a doctor like Wakefield.

Any f**ker that'll take blood samples from children at parties without parental consent wouldn't bat an eyelid at something with a proven health benefit.


Only problem is that you might not be able to pay Wakefield himself as much as the anti-vaxxers did.


The NHS has 106,430 doctors.

Take a wild fu*king guess at what % of the ones that didn't accept lots of money from anti-vaxxers are anti-vax ?



PS I think Ben Goldacre is wishy washy when it comes to criticism of Big Pharma. http://www.badscience.net/

Mr. CooL ICE

I thought anti vaxxers only existed on the internet, but I had my first run in with one today when I went in to get a key cut.

Was asked what colour key I wanted, said it didn't matter. He said he'd give me purple because some charity with purple in the name helps kids that got autism from vaccinations. After some nodding and smiling, he elaborated that intelligent children are given vaccines because 'they' are afraid of what the children might be capable of if they're too smart, so they are intentionally suppressed. He backed this up by his friend who's daughter was fine but became autistic after being vaccinated.

I was stunned and really only took in the whole thing about an hour later. By then, it was far too late to go back and argue with him.

Purple Mountain

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

I thought anti vaxxers only existed on the internet, but I had my first run in with one today when I went in to get a key cut.

Was asked what colour key I wanted, said it didn't matter. He said he'd give me purple because some charity with purple in the name helps kids that got autism from vaccinations. After some nodding and smiling, he elaborated that intelligent children are given vaccines because 'they' are afraid of what the children might be capable of if they're too smart, so they are intentionally suppressed. He backed this up by his friend who's daughter was fine but became autistic after being vaccinated.

I was stunned and really only took in the whole thing about an hour later. By then, it was far too late to go back and argue with him.

WTF??

Samaris

Purple Mountain wrote: »

WTF??

*stares at name*


That aside...yeah, wtf?

Ashbourne hoop

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

I thought anti vaxxers only existed on the internet, but I had my first run in with one today when I went in to get a key cut.

Was asked what colour key I wanted, said it didn't matter. He said he'd give me purple because some charity with purple in the name helps kids that got autism from vaccinations. After some nodding and smiling, he elaborated that intelligent children are given vaccines because 'they' are afraid of what the children might be capable of if they're too smart, so they are intentionally suppressed. He backed this up by his friend who's daughter was fine but became autistic after being vaccinated.

I was stunned and really only took in the whole thing about an hour later. By then, it was far too late to go back and argue with him.

I think you're better off, you'd only have ended up annoying yourself.

VinLieger

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

I think you're better off, you'd only have ended up annoying yourself.

Indeed it sounds like hes got his mind well and truly entrenched in wanton ignorance, theres no point arguing with stupid

Mr. CooL ICE

I agree. I just went in to get a bloody key cut. Run of the mill errand, and that happened. My girlfriend is more argumentative than me but she gave me a look as if to say "lets just gtfo of here".

Jawgap

Difficult to know where to start with this one......

Catholic bishop claims cervical cancer vaccine ‘only 70pc safe’

.....but he's confusing absence of safety with danger......

Bishop Cullinan says the vaccine offers “no absolute guarantee” of “full protection” against cervical cancer. “The vaccine covers 70 per cent of cervical cancers. Would you go on a plane that was 70 per cent safe? Smear tests will still be necessary.”

Even if it is true that something is less safe than advertised, it doesn't make it dangerous.

But I did like this bit......

“I believe we know deep down that casual sex is not good because there is no happiness in sin. Sin destroys. It disturbs the soul. All the partying, all the porn, and all the casual sex do not make a person free and at peace. And God know that all of us struggle in this area.”

.....I don't really mean to mock (I would consider myself envious of people who have 'faith') but this is a bit bonkers.

kylith

Jawgap wrote: »

But I did like this bit......

“I believe we know deep down that casual sex is not good because there is no happiness in sin. Sin destroys. It disturbs the soul. All the partying, all the porn, and all the casual sex do not make a person free and at peace. And God know that all of us struggle in this area.”

.....I don't really mean to mock (I would consider myself envious of people who have 'faith') but this is a bit bonkers.

Spoken like a man who's never had a proper go of partying, porn, and casual sex. I've had a great fckin' time!

snowflaker

Bishop let’s the cat out of the bag of the silent drivers of the opposition to this vaccine

Samaris

I assume the religious position is that removing any negative consequence to sex is encouraging sex.

ohnonotgmail

Samaris wrote: »

I assume the religious position is that removing any negative consequence to sex is encouraging sex.

indeed. unusual to hear somebody say it out loud though. they usually try to stick to mad-eup "science".

Ashbourne hoop

Somehow allowed myself to get involved in a discussion on facebook(I know, I know) around the HPV vaccine. A letter sent by the HSE to schools asked that only HSE info be given to parents and do not give info from other sources. This was pushed by Jeffrrey Jaxxen as part of the conspiracy when in reality, the HSE does not want parents been given all sorts of nonsense from non scientific sources. I know I shouldn't bother but this denial of vaccines really bugs me.

Bobeagleburger

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Somehow allowed myself to get involved in a discussion on facebook(I know, I know) around the HPV vaccine. A letter sent by the HSE to schools asked that only HSE info be given to parents and do not give info from other sources. This was pushed by Jeffrrey Jaxxen as part of the conspiracy when in reality, the HSE does not want parents been given all sorts of nonsense from non scientific sources. I know I shouldn't bother but this denial of vaccines really bugs me.

Social media + people not educated in the subject matter is a dangerous mix.

People take hear say and non scientific facts as the truth, and it spreads wide very quickly.

Ashbourne hoop

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Social media + people not educated in the subject matter is a dangerous mix.

People take hear say and non scientific facts as the truth, and it spreads wide very quickly.

Yeah fully agree. Problem is this mis-information spreads so easily in the echo chamber of facebook and too many people buy it which has resulted in the low uptake for the HPV vaccine. Drives me mad to be honest.

VinLieger

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Yeah fully agree. Problem is this mis-information spreads so easily in the echo chamber of facebook and too many people buy it which has resulted in the low uptake for the HPV vaccine. Drives me mad to be honest.

You cant win an argument against people who are that willingly ignorant and stupid, best not to get into it in the first place as frustrating as that is when you see them spouting their garbage

um7y1h83ge06nx

My wife is part of a private Facebook group of mothers that had babies in August. Quite a few are delaying vaccinations as they do not want their babies to feel ill at such a young age.

We brought our daughter for her very first vaccinations on Tuesday on time (2 months old). Yes, she felt very out of sorts for a while, we had to give her Calpol as her temp was running a little high, she was poor at taking milk and sleeping was an issue. She's being back to our old self since yesterday evening though.

Our opinion? Yes, it's obviously a bit distressful for her and puts us under a bit of additional pressure but it sure beats her dying or being left with life-long health issues if she contracted something she could be vaccinated against.

Ashbourne hoop

VinLieger wrote: »

You cant win an argument against people who are that willingly ignorant and stupid, best not to get into it in the first place as frustrating as that is when you see them spouting their garbage

Yeah sorry I bothered, the stuff one in particular was posting was ignorance of the highest order, highly dangerous ignorance too

MrPudding

Karla Future Whirlwind wrote: »

My wife is part of a private Facebook group of mothers that had babies in August. Quite a few are delaying vaccinations as they do not want their babies to feel ill at such a young age.

We brought our daughter for her very first vaccinations on Tuesday on time (2 months old). Yes, she felt very out of sorts for a while, we had to give her Calpol as her temp was running a little high, she was poor at taking milk and sleeping was an issue. She's being back to our old self since yesterday evening though.

Our opinion? Yes, it's obviously a bit distressful for her and puts us under a bit of additional pressure but it sure beats her dying or being left with life-long health issues if she contracted something she could be vaccinated against.

I have 4 kids, all vaccinated, and aside from a little temperature, like you experienced, no issues.And that is how it is for the vast, vast majority.

One of my kids, 3 of 4, actually took part in a vaccine trial, for a Meningitis C vaccine (I think it was C, it was a few years ago, and there was no vaccine at the time for that strain). Being part of the trial really opened my eyes to how the list of "side-effects" is compiled. The trial consisted of something like three injections, spread quite far apart. After each injection, we had to keep a diary of anything that happened to our daughter, did she have a temperature, lose her appetite, vomit, diarrhoea, anything. This diary was collected and anything we put in it would be added to the list of side-effects. No tests, no investigation, not even any questions around any other possible causes. If the kid got it within two weeks of the injection it goes on the list.

Of course, there is no doubt that some medicines do have side effects, but I think it is fair to say that there is a good chance that many of the things listed as a side effect for a particular drug, probably aren't actually a side effect of that drug.

MrP

Ashbourne hoop

MrPudding wrote: »

I have 4 kids, all vaccinated, and aside from a little temperature, like you experienced, no issues.And that is how it is for the vast, vast majority.

One of my kids, 3 of 4, actually took part in a vaccine trial, for a Meningitis C vaccine (I think it was C, it was a few years ago, and there was no vaccine at the time for that strain). Being part of the trial really opened my eyes to how the list of "side-effects" is compiled. The trial consisted of something like three injections, spread quite far apart. After each injection, we had to keep a diary of anything that happened to our daughter, did she have a temperature, lose her appetite, vomit, diarrhoea, anything. This diary was collected and anything we put in it would be added to the list of side-effects. No tests, no investigation, not even any questions around any other possible causes. If the kid got it within two weeks of the injection it goes on the list.

Of course, there is no doubt that some medicines do have side effects, but I think it is fair to say that there is a good chance that many of the things listed as a side effect for a particular drug, probably are actually a side effect of that drug.

MrP

A quick ninja edit maybe Mr.P ????

Orion

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Somehow allowed myself to get involved in a discussion on facebook(I know, I know) around the HPV vaccine. A letter sent by the HSE to schools asked that only HSE info be given to parents and do not give info from other sources. This was pushed by Jeffrrey Jaxxen as part of the conspiracy when in reality, the HSE does not want parents been given all sorts of nonsense from non scientific sources. I know I shouldn't bother but this denial of vaccines really bugs me.

You should some of the morons posting on the HSE facebook page. The ignorance of basic science is astounding.

Breadsons

jester77 wrote: »

These people are dangerous.

Some countries are making it compulsory for children to be vaccinated before they are allowed in daycare or school. Every country should start making this a law to eliminate these nut cases.

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

IvyTheTerrible

Breadsons wrote: »

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

Colds are not caused by the flu virus so I would love your explanation about how the vaccine was responsible for your colds.

pitifulgod

Breadsons wrote: »

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

Big pharma scam, shall we ignore how smallpox no longer exists and how nobody in the Western world is having their lives ruined by polio? Just because you know one person who didn't fall ill as a result of not being vaccinated, it means nothing. It's like saying you know a person who didn't get cancer from smoking. Friends of mine who went deaf as a result of measles for example.

It seems that living comfortably means that some people simply forget the existence of illnesses that ruined lives in previous generations.

Herb Powell

Breadsons wrote: »

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

Maybe read some books instead of blogs and you might wise up on the issue.

I despair.

Ddad

Breadsons wrote: »

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

You're confusing causation and correlation. You could have been sick for thousands of reasons but you're selecting the flu vaccine. That is called confirmation bias. Your niece benefited from herd immunity due to most other people being vaccinated she was far less likely to succumb to a preventable illness. She could still get polio, measles etc and suffer horribly but that's her decision now. She's lucky those around her are for the most part vaccinated. I'd imagine your mind is now set but in the event you are open to persuasion based on science , logic and common sense there is a myriad of well educated, informed blogs, books and commentary available for free on the internet. Or you can wallow in ignorance. Your choice.

Jawgap

Breadsons wrote: »

My niece was born home birth, her mother never allowed her to have vaccinations to this day, she had an impeccable school attendance and now is in collage and still never got vaccinated. I got the flu jab three years ago and was crook the whole winter with colds. Vaccination is a big pharma scam.

You're point being?

I'll see your niece and raise you two brothers and a sister......who were born at home. I was a hospital birth and so were the other brothers......of the 6 of us, 4 played sports to a decent competitive level, all - thankfully - have been free of major illness, and up to my appendix popping in my 40s I had a perfect 20 year work attendance, never so much as one day off ill.......we were all vaccinated.

You see, I can relate anecdotes too and make them sound like evidence of something, but like your story, it proves nothing.

harr

Our son who has special needs including autism..has all his vaccinations but because of poor health when he was younger he only could get the vaccines between the age 4 and 5 and was diagnosed with autism before any vaccinations were given.
But the amount of people who would try to convince us that vaccinations were the cause of his autism including family members and strangers, we normally let them have a rant about his autism being caused by vaccinations before we let them know he was diagnosed before he received any of them, they shut up fairly quickly. Our other children have all vaccinations and are perfectly healthy.
I have a cousin with a teenage daughter and won’t give her the current vaccine because in her own words
“ Melissa sister down the road knows a girl who’s sisters daughter got very sick from it, so I won’t risk it”
And absolutely no point arguing with her even though her GP told her to get it done her response to GP telling her
“ sure he is only on commission from the big pharm to give as many as he can “

The mind boggles

Jawgap

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Colds are not caused by the flu virus so I would love your explanation about how the vaccine was responsible for your colds.

I assume the conspiracy theory version would suggest that the vaccine wasn't a vaccine, but something that suppressed the immune system so Big Pharma can sell us more Panadol, Lemsip, Night Nurse etc

In fact, the whackos probably think that Big Pharma have a cure for the cold but won't release it because of the money they're making selling cold 'remedies'

The_Valeyard

Orion wrote: »

You should some of the morons posting on the HSE facebook page. The ignorance of basic science is astounding.

Never before have we had so much information at our finger tips, yet many are even more uniformed than ever before.