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ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 10:43am

skepticalme wrote: »

More news from Italy. Composition of 6 in 1 Infanrix Hexa.

https://www.corvelva.it/speciali-corvelva/analisi/vaccingate-initial-results-on-infanrix-hexa-chemical-composition.html

In Infanrix Hexa we found

chemical contamination from the manufacturing process or cross-contamination with other manufacturing lines;chemical toxins;bacterial peptide toxins;insoluble and indigestible macromolecule that reacts to the protein assay, but cannot be recognized by any protein databases.

We have not found:

Protein antigens of diphtheria toxoids, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, haemophylus influenzae B, Poliomyelitis 1-2-3;Formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde, phenoxyethanol, antibiotic residues indicated in the composition;

All risk, no benefit.

So not an issue with vaccines but an issue with manufacturing that could affect any drug?

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 12:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So not an issue with vaccines but an issue with manufacturing that could affect any drug?

Did you read it?
No antigens present for any of the illnesses ."We have found instead a real polymer, insoluble and indigestible, that we supposed to be the set of antigens chemically bound together "
65 chemicals of which only 35% were identifiable.
3 injections of this muck are given to babies starting at 8 weeks old!

ancapailldorcha · 18-12-2018 12:53pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Did you read it?
No antigens present for any of the illnesses ."We have found instead a real polymer, insoluble and indigestible, that we supposed to be the set of antigens chemically bound together "
65 chemicals of which only 35% were identifiable.
3 injections of this muck are given to babies starting at 8 weeks old!

You say this like it's a regular occurrence. It's an isolated incident presented as a dump (pun intended) from an anti-vaxx site.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 12:56pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Did you read it?
No antigens present for any of the illnesses ."We have found instead a real polymer, insoluble and indigestible, that we supposed to be the set of antigens chemically bound together "
65 chemicals of which only 35% were identifiable.
3 injections of this muck are given to babies starting at 8 weeks old!

So you are claiming that they deliberately added these chemicals to a vaccine? To what end? what is the gain for them?

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 1:11pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You say this like it's a regular occurrence. It's an isolated incident presented as a dump (pun intended) from an anti-vaxx site.

Are you suggesting it's an isolated case?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 1:12pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Are you suggesting it's an isolated case?

are you suggesting it is not? that is what you seem to be doing.

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 1:14pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So you are claiming that they deliberately added these chemicals to a vaccine? To what end? what is the gain for them?

Not deliberate, just careless, , machines not cleaned properly for instance.
Do you not find it shocking the 'vaccine' had no antigens for the 6 illnesses it's supposed to prevent?

rawn · 18-12-2018 1:17pm

skepticalme wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So not an issue with vaccines but an issue with manufacturing that could affect any drug?

Did you read it?
No antigens present for any of the illnesses ."We have found instead a real polymer, insoluble and indigestible, that we supposed to be the set of antigens chemically bound together "
65 chemicals of which only 35% were identifiable.
3 injections of this muck are given to babies starting at 8 weeks old!

But doesn't this prove what we've been saying this whole time? That vaccines ed are tested, retested and tested yet again and any faults are announced and the vaccine withdrawn immediately?

https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/infanrix-hexa-vaccine

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 1:19pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Not deliberate, just careless, , machines not cleaned properly for instance.

So an isolated case then and nothing to do with vaccines specifically.

skepticalme wrote: »

Do you not find it shocking the 'vaccine' had no antigens for the 6 illnesses it's supposed to prevent?

I do but that is nothing to do with the efficacy of vaccines.

ancapailldorcha · 18-12-2018 1:25pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Are you suggesting it's an isolated case?

I stated that explicitly.

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:09pm

rawn wrote: »

But doesn't this prove what we've been saying this whole time? That vaccines ed are tested, retested and tested yet again and any faults are announced and the vaccine withdrawn immediately?

https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/infanrix-hexa-vaccine

So you're expecting Infanrix Hexa to be withdrawn?

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So an isolated case then and nothing to do with vaccines specifically.

I do but that is nothing to do with the efficacy of vaccines.

Can you explain this ?
The efficiacy of this particular vaccine is zero.

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:11pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I stated that explicitly.

So just this vial, this batch,this vaccine. How isolated?

ancapailldorcha · 18-12-2018 2:14pm

skepticalme wrote: »

So just this vial, this batch,this vaccine. How isolated?

I never said that. Mind you, I would need a hell of a lot more than an anti-vaxx link dump to concede that this even happened at all.

You're the one implying that this is regular so how regular is it?

rawn · 18-12-2018 2:19pm

skepticalme wrote: »

rawn wrote: »

But doesn't this prove what we've been saying this whole time? That vaccines ed are tested, retested and tested yet again and any faults are announced and the vaccine withdrawn immediately?

https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/infanrix-hexa-vaccine

So you're expecting Infanrix Hexa to be withdrawn?

The batches in question were withdrawn, yes.

rawn · 18-12-2018 2:20pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

skepticalme wrote: »

So just this vial, this batch,this vaccine. How isolated?

I never said that. Mind you, I would need a hell of a lot more than an anti-vaxx link dump to concede that this even happened at all.

You're the one implying that this is regular so how regular is it?

I can't find any other link to his claims. Funny, that.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 2:43pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Can you explain this ?
The efficiacy of this particular vaccine is zero.

vaccines in general. try to keep up.

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:52pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I never said that. Mind you, I would need a hell of a lot more than an anti-vaxx link dump to concede that this even happened at all.

You're the one implying that this is regular so how regular is it?

Post 1992! You stated explicitly that it was an isolated case!

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:53pm

rawn wrote: »

The batches in question were withdrawn, yes.

So you're expecting another withdrawal of Infanrix Hexa then.

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:54pm

rawn wrote: »

I can't find any other link to his claims. Funny, that.

The first report for the first of the vaccines was published only yesterday.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 2:54pm

skepticalme wrote: »

So you're expecting another withdrawal of Infanrix Hexa then.

were there problems with another batch?

skepticalme · 18-12-2018 2:55pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

vaccines in general. try to keep up.

Maybe you should make your statements clearer. That might help.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 2:55pm

skepticalme wrote: »

The first report for the first of the vaccines was published only yesterday.

and an italian anti-vax sites got the scoop?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 2:55pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Maybe you should make your statements clearer. That might help.

my post was quite clear.

ancapailldorcha · 18-12-2018 3:26pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Post 1992! You stated explicitly that it was an isolated case!

That's what these sites do. They take isolated cases and present them as the norm.

Now, can you prove that this is a regular occurrence?

rawn · 18-12-2018 3:55pm

skepticalme wrote: »

rawn wrote: »

The batches in question were withdrawn, yes.

So you're expecting another withdrawal of Infanrix Hexa then.

A withdrawal on what grounds?

batgoat · 18-12-2018 7:32pm

skepticalme wrote: »

Maybe you should make your statements clearer. That might help.

In fairness, you've proclaimed this as a norm and implied that all vaccines are deadly as a result. But you can't even establish how this was more than an isolated case...

Orion · 20-12-2018 3:46am

skepticalme wrote: »

Not deliberate, just careless, , machines not cleaned properly for instance.
Do you not find it shocking the 'vaccine' had no antigens for the 6 illnesses it's supposed to prevent?

gar32? Is that you?

Igotadose · 20-12-2018 5:11pm

skepticalme wrote: »

The first report for the first of the vaccines was published only yesterday.

It didn't take a real scientist very long to *absolutely destroy* this garbage Corvelva "report."

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-pseudoscience-corvelva-anti-vaccine-researchers/

Summary quote:
"This is a ridiculous study that uses amateurish biochemical methods to arrive at conclusions that support their beliefs. A real study would have asked a question like “are there antigens in the vaccine,” and attempted to answer it with well-controlled, well-designed studies."

So, let's move along, nothing to see here. As is always the case with the anti-vax nutters. When something 'new and exciting' comes out from those sociopaths, just wait a few days and it's always debunked.

Harry Palmr · 20-12-2018 5:18pm

Today I got my winter flu jab as I'm a type 1 diabetic and rational.

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