Media: Cairn Homes announce plans for 8,000 new homes at Adamstown

LirW

I certainly don't think so.
Once you have good amenities around, playgrounds, green areas and childcare options you'll most likely find people to do this. Of course you'll always have people who prefer otherwise but it's simply not sustainable in a city that grows like Dublin.
Also people bought cardboard like new builds in the last boom, it bit plenty of them because they lost value and the houses are bad, yet people queue overnight for new builds now. Follows the same logic somehow, doesn't it?
Unfortunately times change and in a crisis like the current one the council has the job making sure that there aren't developments that maximise profits but work for the city in the long run. Not that they are doing it :rolleyes:

Pixel Eater

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

In fairness to the developer they say they can produce the houses at under 300k. The society of chartered accountants puts the cost of a typical 3 bed semi at more than 330k.

Which is most welcome. However they shouldn't be allowed to totally dictate the planning of an area to suit themselves rather than the good of the city overall. A majority of high quality and medium to high density apartments focused on public transport and a limited amount of car dependent houses is the preferable option.

LirW

Who will guarantee though that the houses turn out to be under 300k in the end? Currently the prices of new developments hike up their prices with each phase they launch. There is no point in selling off mid terraces for 280k when a semi D is 320 and the prices go up around 30 - 50 grand with a new phase.
If it can work under the 300k threshold, it would be wonderful.
In that case you could launch apartments even cheaper than that if you put up a healthy mix like 70:30 (apt - houses) for example.

The_Conductor

LirW wrote: »

Who will guarantee though that the houses turn out to be under 300k in the end? Currently the prices of new developments hike up their prices with each phase they launch. There is no point in selling off mid terraces for 280k when a semi D is 320 and the prices go up around 30 - 50 grand with a new phase.
If it can work under the 300k threshold, it would be wonderful.
In that case you could launch apartments even cheaper than that if you put up a healthy mix like 70:30 (apt - houses) for example.

If they were being built for the government- or the local authority- under contract- then a final price could be specified- however, if they are being built privately- that quite simply isn't going to happen.

Cairn have two large developments in the area- most notably Shackleton Park- on the other side of Adamstown- they are a known quantity- we need to be realistic here.

LirW

This is the point: I think it's unwise to already advertise a price on houses where there isn't a single brick laid yet. We don't know how the market will be like in 2019 for example. There's no point in launching the houses in tiny phases for high prices, it is marginal to the supply really when they propose 8000 units but start building let's say 60.
It all just leaves a bitter taste, because these homes are only going to be available to a certain demographic - again.

mloc123

The_Conductor wrote: »

Honestly- I wish I were fit enough to do it- it sounds like the best possible option for someone (providing it suited).

It is a great route to town by bike... IMO. I cycle from Celbridge via Peamont and then along the canal... Takes less than an hour from Celbridge.

Xterminator

LirW wrote: »

This is the point: I think it's unwise to already advertise a price on houses where there isn't a single brick laid yet.

We are back to the days when the units will be purchased off the plan before a brick is laid.

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Xterminator wrote: »

We are back to the days when the units will be purchased off the plan before a brick is laid.

Well back there at this stage. There's a development going up for sale in lucan next week. Drove past the site yesterday and there isn't a brick laid. The groundwork has barely started.

quadrifoglio verde

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Well back there at this stage. There's a development going up for sale in lucan next week. Drove past the site yesterday and there isn't a brick laid. The groundwork has barely started.

Much easier to get finance for the development if you've them all sold already.

Nika Bolokov

I wonder know will big chunks of what is now Clondalkin will be renamed back to the old townland name of 'Clonburris' like the bits of 'Lucan' in Balgaddy and Neilstown

LirW

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Much easier to get finance for the development if you've them all sold already.

Unfortunately this attitude supports the current way to build for profit, not for the future. Because that's like the least efficient way to do it.

Graham

LirW wrote: »

Unfortunately this attitude supports the current way to build for profit, not for the future. Because that's like the least efficient way to do it.

You realise most developers build for profit don't you?

How does the stage a development is sold at effect efficiency?

Marcusm

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Much easier to get finance for the development if you've them all sold already.

In principle yes, in practice with Irish mortgage approvals being effectively uncommitted, that type of pre sale finance is more illusory.

Gatling

SDCC have also said to be building 1000 homes and a school at Kilcarberry Grange clondalkin too

LirW

Graham wrote: »

You realise most developers build for profit don't you?

How does the stage a development is sold at effect efficiency?

Sorry, reread and I wasn't clear enough: By selling off like this a builder will ofc become max profit but it's not efficient in the bigger picture of city planning. With a massive shortage of housing like we currently have it's crazy to build more traditional housing estates. Dublin will be bitten in the future by this narrow minded city planning that's still done in 2017.

Pixel Eater

Seriously, what do local authories have against densities? They have reduced the original density requirements for Adamstown, Ashtown and now for this Clonburris scheme it's been almost halved: from 15,00 homes to 8,000. There was a spokesperson from the Housing Agency on Pat Kenny this morning suggesting that there should be extra levies put on developers who build low-density housing in areas were higher density would be more appropriate (although he did say that these development should've have been given planning permission in the first place by the local authority). Not a bad idea.

And another thing I'm perplexed by is when Cairn Homes and other such developers say it's only feasible to build houses. How can this be; in the area that it takes to build a semi-detached house, with a front lawn and back garden that houses 4 people you could build a 5 or 6 story apartment that housing 20/30 people. While it would cost more to build and while the individual units may be should for less, overall surely it would be more profitable?!